Steve Featherkile said:
Seems that MarkV didn’t leave for long. Look here.
Does anyone think that, maybe, just letting things go is a reasonable response? No, you have to get all “OOh, look at him!” about it.
Let it go. Move on. Nobody cares except a handful of you, who are making it uncomfortable for the rest of the members, and me.
For example…there are several who are over the top on this and other forums who can’t back up what they say with examples…yet I don’t run off screaming into the underbrush waving my hands over my head yelling “negativity!”, even if it throws in the face of personal, hard experience.
How do folks deal with faceplant feeds, all the political stuff, all the gambling stuff…you ignore it.
Folks discuss dcc outdoors here…I laugh and move along, unless there is a part I can address…but it makes no difference to them or the discussion.
So what?
Somebody has a website full of photos of specific issues…how does one ignore photos and such is beyond me…but when some manufacturer’s website says that isn’t good, all the minions seem to pick up the “bashing” battlecry, without a clue as to why.
AFAIC, any time, and I mean any time, someone starts yelling “bashing” in response to a post on issues that are documented, THAT classifies as “negativity”.
So, again, where does the negativity come from, again?
Deep subject, sure to be raising blood pressures even now.
TOC
i just have to say it.
TOC, you seem to be very deeply hurt, that you have to mention so repeatedly, that nothing hurts you.
i for my part am not happy, that Mark is leaving. no matter, if others say, he is just not tough enough.
this thread, that i started to find an alternative to all those bitter threads, has turned very bitter indeed.
as far, as i am concerned, Bob should close it.
Curmudgeon mcneely said:
Maybe…maybe naught…
"August 28, 2013 11:58:14 AM EDT
And my last post (promise!)…"
It would appear that he went through his old post and updated them for the last time.
Then again the guys that insist on calling out liars will interpret things however you see fit, lol
Bob, I do agree, letting things go is reasonable.
But there’s different ways to go:
“See ya guys, just time for me to go”
“I’m leaving”
“I’m leaving and “joe blow” sucks”
“I’m leaving and all of you suck”
I would submit that 1 & 2 qualify for a nice “just let it go” and minimal comments, or positive entreaties to stay.
I would submit that 3 qualifies for editing or censoring the personal reference. (Per forum rules, right?)
I would submit that 4 qualifies for “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out”
I would also submit that THIS “leaving” is about a 3.5 and I would up it to 4 based on not really leaving (per subsequent posts) unless this guy meant leaving the thread, not the forum. (and if so, then it’s not our responsibility for a poorly written post)
Greg
Greg Elmassian said:
Bob, I do agree, letting things go is reasonable.
But there’s different ways to go:
“See ya guys, just time for me to go”
“I’m leaving”
“I’m leaving and “joe blow” sucks”
“I’m leaving and all of you suck”
I would submit that 1 & 2 qualify for a nice “just let it go” and minimal comments, or positive entreaties to stay.
I would submit that 3 qualifies for editing or censoring the personal reference. (Per forum rules, right?)
I would submit that 4 qualifies for “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out”
I would also submit that THIS “leaving” is about a 3.5 and I would up it to 4 based on not really leaving (per subsequent posts) unless this guy meant leaving the thread, not the forum. (and if so, then it’s not our responsibility for a poorly written post)
Greg
See, because I really don’t know any of you and just read his statements for their face value I came up with this option
2.5 Hey I’m leaving but I promised that I would eventually update some threads so I did before I left because I’m a man of my words.
Anywho, he will be missed as he actully had some really good build threads…
Everyone can determine their own rating, but
“And with that I bid you, and this forum ado…Far to much negativity for my taste.”
It’s not a “nice” see you later… it’s a “parting shot”… it’s a “you suck”…
Greg
Korm Kormsen said:
i just have to say it.
TOC, you seem to be very deeply hurt, that you have to mention so repeatedly, that nothing hurts you.
i for my part am not happy, that Mark is leaving. no matter, if others say, he is just not tough enough.
this thread, that i started to find an alternative to all those bitter threads, has turned very bitter indeed.as far, as i am concerned, Bob should close it.
Not exactly sure what you are referring to. Things happen…and what goes around, comes around, sometimes full circle.
If I let it bother me, I’d pull a leaving hat trick.
I’m not happy Mark is leaving.
What I am REALLY not happy about is the negativity that seems to have come from the side yelling “negativity” that is closing discussions.
We’ve seen it before.
Go into a bar, take a swing at someone, do not be surprised if you end up looking at the ceiling has always been my outlook on life.
Nobody has stepped over the moving line in this thread yet, and we even had Mister Bob in it earlier (which must have occurred as I was posting last), and we have folks calling for closing the thread.
Anybody call anybody names?
I’d have to go back and see if I missed something.
All we can do is take our cue from Mister Bob hisself…what did he say a week or so ago…The door is that way =====>
But, I didn’t say that…did anybody really say that, other than maybe he’s off “filling the void”?
How many times have you seen folks bail on forums because things weren’t the way they wanted them to be?
I remember one moron who demanded (I don’t think it was this forum) that software be changed so he could select who could and could not respond in a thread.
When folks do leave, often it becomes a pity party…not saying that’s what happened here…waiting for all their “buddies” to say “oh, don’t go…we miss your input”.
How many times on how many forums have you seen that happen?
Lots.
And lots.
Guy makes a decision to go, hey, bless you my son. We’ll be here when you come back.
TOC
Curmudgeon mcneely said:
Nobody has stepped over the moving line in this thread yet, and we even had Mister Bob in it earlier (which must have occurred as I was posting last), and we have folks calling for closing the thread.
well, i suppose, that you read the title, i had chosen for this thread and my initial post.
so, i think, that you could realize, that this thread has badly derailed.(on the other hand, as it was your post, that started/caused the derailing, it might have escaped your attention)
but, anyhow, as this thread does not fullfill its intended function, i do not feel bad or guilty, that i expressed it could be closed.
this thread has become exactly the type of thread we don’t need - in my opinion. aparently your mileage seems to vary.
so i am out of this thread.
you got the stage, Sir!
Oh dear! Considering the average age on here it is sometimes quite pathetic.
So one guy “leaves”?
We had three Frenchies - or I assumed they were anyway - leave and up came the “Deleted Member” name. Clear indication.
So why is anyone sweating it?
As far as I’m concerned anyone can tell me to do this or that e.g keep a score card, doesn’t bother me. Participate in a build contest? Why? most often the theme is something for which I won’t have a use on my layout.
Besides I like to waste my time in my own unique way. 
Oh, on that void. I could write a few things about how I construct ladder roadbed, including prepping the ground etc., but that will only be of use to those who have the same soil conditions and a similar climate.
I could write up how I design buildings using GIS info, Google Earth and pictures etc. That again would be of limited interest since it depends on
a) getting the GIS info
b) good resolution on Google Earth
c) getting pictures from the chosen era.
d) using a CAD or graphic program
I could post some trackplans for “typical” backyards, but since I read “we don’t need no plan” often enough, I save myself the effort.
Sooooo, I participate in my way and if it’s not according to XYZ’s taste, that is not my problem!
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
I could write up how I design buildings using GIS info, Google Earth and pictures etc. That again would be of limited interest since it depends on
a) getting the GIS info
b) good resolution on Google Earth
c) getting pictures from the chosen era.
d) using a CAD or graphic program
That’s how I designed one of my buildings (and plan to do with the rest)… But with a twist. I used historical photographs of the building, google earth, and some basic information from the tax assessors office. Sure makes modeling a building that doesn’t exist anymore helpful!
Korm Kormsen said:
Curmudgeon mcneely said:
Nobody has stepped over the moving line in this thread yet, and we even had Mister Bob in it earlier (which must have occurred as I was posting last), and we have folks calling for closing the thread.
well, i suppose, that you read the title, i had chosen for this thread and my initial post.
so, i think, that you could realize, that this thread has badly derailed.(on the other hand, as it was your post, that started/caused the derailing, it might have escaped your attention)
but, anyhow, as this thread does not fullfill its intended function, i do not feel bad or guilty, that i expressed it could be closed.
this thread has become exactly the type of thread we don’t need - in my opinion. aparently your mileage seems to vary.
so i am out of this thread.
you got the stage, Sir!
Korm, I have to respectfully disagree with you. TOC did not derail this thread, MarkV did it all by himself. He started with a thinly veiled attack on TOC, followed by another one on HJ, and then finished with a third on Tim in Austrailia. When he was called on his BS, he decided to take his ball and go home.
That’s ok, we’ll be here when he comes back.
And now I return yo to your regularly scheduled banter.
Steve Featherkile said:
Korm, I have to respectfully disagree with you. TOC did not derail this thread, MarkV did it all by himself. He started with a thinly veiled attack on TOC, followed by another one on HJ, and then finished with a third on Tim in Austrailia. When he was called on his BS, he decided to take his ball and go home.
That’s ok, we’ll be here when he comes back.
And now I return yo to your regularly scheduled banter.
Shhhh! Don’t do that! You’ll get your name on the hit list!
TOC
Steve Featherkile said:
Korm Kormsen said:
Curmudgeon mcneely said:
Nobody has stepped over the moving line in this thread yet, and we even had Mister Bob in it earlier (which must have occurred as I was posting last), and we have folks calling for closing the thread.
well, i suppose, that you read the title, i had chosen for this thread and my initial post.
so, i think, that you could realize, that this thread has badly derailed.(on the other hand, as it was your post, that started/caused the derailing, it might have escaped your attention)
but, anyhow, as this thread does not fullfill its intended function, i do not feel bad or guilty, that i expressed it could be closed.
this thread has become exactly the type of thread we don’t need - in my opinion. aparently your mileage seems to vary.
so i am out of this thread.
you got the stage, Sir!Korm, I have to respectfully disagree with you. TOC did not derail this thread, MarkV did it all by himself. He started with a thinly veiled attack on TOC, followed by another one on HJ, and then finished with a third on Tim in Austrailia. When he was called on his BS, he decided to take his ball and go home.
That’s ok, we’ll be here when he comes back.
And now I return yo to your regularly scheduled banter.
I don’t know Toc however I’ll offer my observation on the first page of this thread and how it can be taken as the point of derailment
Toc’s First post read as “Lets start a war”
Toc’s Second post - starts bashing people/topics on another site (with i might add just a tad bit of sarcasm as he did it)
Seriously, years ago when I first came to this site it was the daily “What will $%^& say about LGB today?” It got old quick and I stopped bothering to even come to the site unless google caught a buzz word I was looking for. I come back and here we are looking at “What will they say about Aristo today”
AfterI visiit this site I can tell you the following
Don’t buy Bachman cause !@# doesn’t like em cause of pilots and gears and blah blah blah.
Don’t buy LGB cause ^&*S doesn’t like em cause they aren’t what they once were…
Don’t invest in the liars at Aristo cause &*(^ doesn’t like em
Hartland, which offers no 1/29
What’s left? Accucraft which is $$$$$$$$$$$$
Y’all might think that the continued bashing of the same crap day after day might be amusing, however it certaining doesn’t show much support for the scale/guage.
Thirty years ago my ex-wife stated to me that the problem with model railways is that all who participate in the hobby have psychological issues. They set themselves aside from the world. They create a world in which everyone obeys their commands and follows their lead. No dissent is allowed. They want order and respect in their world and the railway supplies those ‘needs’. Now she was a very intelligent, intellectual person with an insight in psychology.
There are regulars on this site who seem to follow the creed as stated by my wife all those years ago. They want obediance, order and respect not just from their railway but the world around them. When dissent appears they crush it as negativity.
We do not live in the cornfields of Kansas with Uncle Toto, but in the real world where opinions vary. Rational people discuss differences in opinion. Dictators go to war to suppress rebellions. For my part discussion is a way for both parties to express their views. Suppression is the way of weak minded individual who denies freedom of expression. Look around and the dictators are quite common and noticable. When cornered they come up with cutesy responses and feign that they are the injured party, when it is they who try to derail every thread that they do not agree with.
Mark Dash said:
I don’t know Toc however I’ll offer my observation on the first page of this thread and how it can be taken as the point of derailment
Toc’s First post read as “Lets start a war”
Toc’s Second post - starts bashing people/topics on another site (with i might add just a tad bit of sarcasm as he did it)
Seriously, years ago when I first came to this site it was the daily “What will $%^& say about LGB today?” It got old quick and I stopped bothering to even come to the site unless google caught a buzz word I was looking for. I come back and here we are looking at “What will they say about Aristo today”
AfterI visiit this site I can tell you the following
Don’t buy Bachman cause !@# doesn’t like em cause of pilots and gears and blah blah blah.
Don’t buy LGB cause ^&*S doesn’t like em cause they aren’t what they once were…
Don’t invest in the liars at Aristo cause &*(^ doesn’t like em
Hartland, which offers no 1/29
What’s left? Accucraft which is $$$$$$$$$$$$
Y’all might think that the continued bashing of the same crap day after day might be amusing, however it certaining doesn’t show much support for the scale/guage.
Well…the thread was without form and void. So, some suggestions.
Here they are again:
We could start a dcc vs r/c vs track power war.
On another forum, guy bought a NOS Heisler, wouldn’t work.
All sorts of hairball advice. One went so far as to tell him to remove the trucks. Absolutely no reason for that.
Most likely the polarity switch or the associated wiring, but, hey, what do I know, right?
Why does anyone bother when the wisdom of the masses is that there are no issues and anyone who discusses them is a barbarian?
You got that out of these?
Hmmm.
Okay.
I won’t leave over your interpretation, however!
I am still puzzled. Let’s start with your comments on Bachmann. Since I did this for a living, and still work with a chassis manufacturer helping him with development, gears…so, the fact that plastic axle gears shrink and split is not to be discussed?
“Don’t buy Bachman cause !@# doesn’t like em cause of pilots and gears and blah blah blah.”
Pilots…maybe, oh, 4-4-0’s not staying on the track and how to fix it? Delrin NWSL gears? BBT drives? Buy them, be prepared…if you are forewarned, you are fore armed.
Ignore the advice, you will be back with “My locomotive won’t move!”
“Don’t invest in the liars at Aristo cause &*(^ doesn’t like em”.
Stories keep changing, but the big issue is…the issue. Does one have super thick flanges, yes or no? Do steam drivers tend to work around the axle, yes or no? Do certain wheels flake all their plating off, yes or no?
When and if those things happen to you, you will know what to do.
“Don’t buy LGB cause ^&*S doesn’t like em cause they aren’t what they once were…”
They’re not…but it’s moot, since they are not making US Prototype stuff. I have LGB stuff. One engine left on-shed, three in storage, could be brought back on-line, but most of my stuff is bachmann. 4-6-0’s of various age, at least six of them, every one has a BBT drive of one kind or another under it. I know what to do to fix them…permanently.
But, according to your post, that’s not good to mention it?
4-4-0 pilots…I posted on another forum how to easily shim them down…no weights, no big springs. Been doing it since release one.
It is difficult. With the prevalent QC on most of the stuff we have in hand, it is really difficult.
Every ops session I field questions.
Why did my Shay just spit 3 axle gears?
Why did two 2-8-0’s spit axle gears within 20 minutes of each other?
Why does my SD-45 jump on the switches?
Why did the counterweight on my 2-8-0 come loose and jam the loco solid?
I try to give the best answer, then either fix them on the spot or keep them for a week and fix them. It’s not like I say “oh, you bought carp (SP)” and walk away. I put action to my words.
TOC
Mark Dash said:
I don’t know Toc however I’ll offer my observation on the first page of this thread and how it can be taken as the point of derailment
Toc’s First post read as “Lets start a war”
Toc’s Second post - starts bashing people/topics on another site (with i might add just a tad bit of sarcasm as he did it)
Seriously, years ago when I first came to this site it was the daily “What will $%^& say about LGB today?” It got old quick and I stopped bothering to even come to the site unless google caught a buzz word I was looking for. I come back and here we are looking at “What will they say about Aristo today”
AfterI visiit this site I can tell you the following
Don’t buy Bachman cause !@# doesn’t like em cause of pilots and gears and blah blah blah.
Don’t buy LGB cause ^&*S doesn’t like em cause they aren’t what they once were…
Don’t invest in the liars at Aristo cause &*(^ doesn’t like em
Hartland, which offers no 1/29
What’s left? Accucraft which is $$$$$$$$$$$$
Y’all might think that the continued bashing of the same crap day after day might be amusing, however it certaining doesn’t show much support for the scale/guage.
Much of this is about context
We could start a dcc vs r/c vs track power war.
That is both hilarious as well as true. I run DCC in the semi-desert Okanagan Valley, TOC runs R/C close to Seattle where it rains more often than not. So we use what suits our respective climate and does what we want it to do. Simple!
But start that topic and there will be a “war” in short order, because some can’t accept that both systems have advantages and disadvantages.
We could. But, of all the threads on this and other forums…none of the people being bashed started any of them.
Since the folks who start these threads think they have a hot tip, they’d never post in such a forum.
Stating facts and backing that up with more facts … yeah I know, one really shouldn’t do that. How do I know? Because I finally shut up the Brigaders by posting comparison charts on LGB products.
Of course I also had Brigaders question my translations from the GARTENBAHNprofi reviews. By people who neither know how to spell correctly nor are able to construct a proper sentence in their native English, let alone are fluent in a second or a third language.
On not buying X, Y or Z. Quite simple, the reasons why not to are clearly stated. Naturally here again “those who know better” (aka Ventilators, Kool-Aiders etc.) will do their utmost to keep things under wraps by any means at their disposal - which on occasion may include pestering an admin with emails and phone calls.
When all is said and done: anyone is free to read or ignore any post or thread, period.
OTOH “it hurts the mfg, it hurts the dealer, it hurts the hobby.” and all that other hoopla - taste included - still lacks the facts to back the statement.
So Igot an idea… i would like to see Kevin Strong and TOC each give us a wrtieup of the operating system that they each use on their railroads…its been at least 10 years I think since I have seen eaither of them, I recall Kevin having a really neat “switching matix” perfect for smalll layouts…and the Coloroda Consolidated having a pretty nifty waybill set up …how bout it guys? how have they worked out over the years? Anything changed and why or why not? Some pictures? Videos?
Hmm. I have all the waybills in a word document. I could post them. I think I have a map on the confuser somewhere.
My pike is designed for a lot of folks to run and do what they want.
Narrow gauge steam is the primary, but we get 1:29 diseasemals often, and the occasional Australian inspired loco…or South African…or whatever.
I don’t think I have ever had anyone who didn’t like it here. There is always something to do…Maintenance trains, wood products, milk run, oil cans, and various mixed wayfreights.
Oh, and no Kadee couplers.
I remember one person who came and ran, we all watched in awe as he lifted each car to uncouple…because he was used to Kadees…
It’s about time to change the waybills, agian. Folks are getting too complacent.
We have up to and including 20 trains at once running.
Gets busy.
Overloads the booster districts something fierce, Greg! HA!
TOC
As HJ put it several times, being able to read is a definate advantage. Also, being able to read and digest more than 140 characters at a time is a challenge for some. This leads to words being taken out of context. A few here would make great politicians the way they pick and choose and rearrange words out of context to their own end.
This site is not Twitter or Facebook, but it seems some simply do not know the difference. Without the need to limit to 140 characters, discussion is a real possibility, assuming that some want discussion.