Side note
For those that do not look overt his forum alot.
I have a great deal of respect for both Father Fred and HJ. I cansider them to be friends.
This is just one of those fun loving debates we have here. Its also what happends when I can’t get out and work on the trains.
David,
Generally I look up the author’s bio first, i.e.
WIKI said:saves considerable time.
Bethell is a member of the Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis[5] which denies that HIV causes AIDS. His The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science promotes global warming denialism, AIDS denialism, and skepticism of evolution (which Bethell denies is "real science"[6]), promoting in its place intelligent design,[7] a viewpoint dismissed by the scientific community as pseudoscience.[8]
John Tirman is just another hate-America first liberal: http://daktari123.blogspot.com/
A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.
Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.
The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.
New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people – less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate – have died since the invasion in 2003.
The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research, said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.
The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.
His team surveyed 1,849 homes at 47 sites across Iraq, asking people about births, deaths and migration in their households.
Professor John Tirman of MIT said this weekend that $46,000 (£23,000) of the approximate £50,000 cost of the study had come from Soros’s Open Society Institute.
Roberts said this weekend: In retrospect, it was probably unwise to have taken money that could have looked like it would result in a political slant. I am adamant this could not have affected the outcome of the research.
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David,
given the possibility that ‘only’ 151,000 Iraqis were killed post invasion, then is that not 151,000 people too many? Some quote (and generally accepted to be correct), the toll to be close to the 650,000 figure, possibly higher. Even Saddam Hussein could not top that figure and he was an evil tyrant. What does that say of George W.?
You doubt the possible causes of global warming, you doubt the death toll in Iraq, what is next, the Holocaust is a myth? Anything more that is mere fallacy. About the only thing that you do believe is that there actually were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that justified the supposed 'War on Terror'? Like the causes of global warming, if you believe in WOMD then you are in the very distinct minority.
You may be old enough to remember that up until the 1980's/90's there were still eminent doctors disputing the role that cigarette smoking plays in lung cancer. Or maybe you are one of the two people in the world today who still actually believes there is no connection? Denial is one way to live your life, but acceptance and change may not only improve your value of life, but may also have a positive impact on the rest of us.Come on guys…everything modern man touches he ruins, no-mater where he/she/it lives…if they don’t ruin it by poluting it…they will sure as hell over-populate it.
Here we have just this past week, two women that just had to have babies, no-matter what their age......one at 60+, and the other has 8, and already had 6.....call this logical.....or having a mind for the lives of the inocent children.....and then there are the mindless that have to have the gasoline guzzling automobiles, and the jet planes........MADNESS, rules Supreme......to say nothing about the giant buildings and pollution taking place in Dubia (Spelling ?)
No it’s not just the US of A…it’s the whole of mankind…look at the stench of Africa…and don’t stop there…
Wow, next I’ll expect to see “Bizzaro” from the alternate universe.
I can only assume you guys are just “jerking my chain”. I honestly can not imagine anyone with the ability to read and with the intelligence above a gnat would believe the man-made global warming thing, or that the globe is overpopulated or that the counter intelligence services of a half dozen countries all conspired the story about Iraq’s development of WMD’s and Saddam’s genocide.
Should the US have invaded Iraq and continue to occupy the other 169 countries around the world? Absolutely not! We should defend our own soil and let the rest of the world deal with their own problems.
We have our own foreign invasion going on here, and enough financial problems of our own to straighten out. Screw sending my tax dollars to every corner of the Earth.
On that man-made global warming thing. Gore may have invented the Internet (snicker, snicker), but there was at least one crazy Swedish guy in the mid 1800’s who did some rough calculations on the future effects of fossil burning.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:I guess if a Swede said it, it must be so. Ralph
On that man-made global warming thing. Gore may have invented the Internet (snicker, snicker), but there was at least one crazy Swedish guy in the mid 1800's who did some rough calculations on the future effects of fossil burning.
Ralph,
I have no idea if the nationality would have a bearing (besides I’m not Swedish :P), but this guy was pretty close with his calculations. And if I would have jotted down the name while listening to the radio, oh well …
David,
to understand the current (Bush era) U.S. foreign policy, you need to go back to the start of the neo-conservative group, in the 1960’s/1970’s. Their philosophy was that the world could be broken down into two opposing parties - one good, the other bad. The United States saw itself on the side of the good and fancied itself as the world policeman. They saw themselves as the forces of good and out to defend their rights to be ‘good’ and to subdue wrong in the world as they saw fit. The neo-cons were embraced by George Snr. and it was they, at the very top echelon of power, who dictated America’s foreign policy. They had a brief spell from power in the Clinton years, but George W. embraced his father’s way of thinking and opened his arms to their world cop policies. He had to finish the job his father was unable to due U.N. mandate. It was only the election of a new president and cabinet, that saw the last of the neo-cons removed from positions of power. For over thirty years their idealistic foreign policy dictated America’s future.
So if you are wondering why your tax dollars are being spent overseas, then look to these people and the presidents who idolised them. President Obama has a different foreign policy, one of conciliation, rather than policing the rest of the world, so maybe some of your tax dollars may stay inside your borders.
I remember many years ago (before the concept of global warming was popularised), that advanced countries were considering denying developing countries like China, access to refrigeration. It was thought that developing countries would embrace cheaper more ozone deadly flourocarbons to power their refrigeration devices. The fear was that in years to come, these millions of refrigerators would find their way into refuse dumps, releasing their deadly toxins into the environment. Of course it was OK for the west to dump their old flourocarbon refrigerators.
In so far as 'jerking your chain', it is simply a statement is made and a statement is refuted or supported. That is what debate and discussion are about. Remember that only 500 years ago it was a capital crime, punishable by death, to believe that the earth was not the centre of the universe. There are still many today who believe in creationism, although facts totally dispute the creationists' teachings.Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Ralph,I have no idea if the nationality would have a bearing (besides I’m not Swedish :P), but this guy was pretty close with his calculations. And if I would have jotted down the name while listening to the radio, oh well …
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Where was I? I stayed right out of it.
Besides I’m more interested in the very unusual weather patterns that we experience. I’ve already heard that man and dinosaurs roamed the earth together about 6000 years ago. A theory advanced by those who are surviving offspring of those dinos. 
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Tim Brien said:Gasp! Blasphemer! How dare you say such a thing? Do you have any proof of that? No, of course you don't.
Remember that only 500 years ago it was a capital crime, punishable by death, to believe that the earth was not the centre of the universe.
The sun rises in the East, and sets in the West, and just like the carriage on a typewriter, it is reset during the night. This is the order of G_d’s green earth, which, by the way is flat, and it always will be!
You even spell center wrong. Are you trying to raise Fr Fred’s ire as well?
:lol:
TonyWalsham said:
..............all as a result of Global Warming causing extremes of climate change.That is an indisputable fact.
HJ, was the Nostradamus?? Just kidding. Besides wouldn’t you have a slight bit of doubt about a man’s credibility if he made such claims as he invented the internet, and was the inspiration for Love Story, etc.? He would likely be diagnosed as a sociopath.
The USA’s current foreign policy is mostly results from back to Woodrow Wilson’s push to involve the USA into WWI to further his agenda for a One World Government (League of Nations). Also his establishing an unConstitutional National Banking System (The Federal reserve) and income taxes on individual labor.
WWII, was also not our fight, Japan may have had her reasons for attacking Pearl Harbor and there is controversy about US military intelligence knowing about the coming attack, yet did nothing. (I don’t quite agree, but the accusation has been made.)
Truman, Eisenhower John Kennedy and certainly Lyndon Johnson advanced the war in which I was deployed. Bosnia, Haiti Czech Republic, Mogadishu, Somalia, etc. were all products of Bill Clinton’s interventionism.
Were our reasons for invading Iraq noble? The potential for having (and evidence was found of) WMDs, genocide of Iraqi citizens, violations of the UN restrictions after the Kuwait invasion. Certainly, but our Constitution forbids the President from deploying troops into a war without Congressional declaration of war, which has not been done since January 1942.
Conservatives as recently as Ronald Regan, were hawkish on military preparedness, but loathe to use force. Republicans used to campaign on ending the wars, but they have since GHW Bush lost their way, and undoubtedly GW Bush has been our most liberal Republican president ever. Sort of a Jimmy Carter of the Republican party.
So really you need to get your facts straight about US Constitutional law and how the liberal/socialists in this country are ruining our federation.
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WoW! Such arrogance!
To assume man has the ability to change the globes climate. If mankind gathered all the top scientists and and all the kings horses, to attempt to cool the planet by the 1 or 2 degrees we seem to so concerned about here, we could not do it. Especially if we placed the government in charge of the job.
On and on a side note, I didn’t say anything about the absurdity of the theory of evolution, but I guess I did now.