Tony, your question,"Are you a supporter of the coalition of the willing in the war against terror? " Absolutely. But then I always have been. It is easy for people to forget, that this country suffered horrendous bombings and murders at the hands of the IRA and PIRA (Many of those terrorists were trained in Libya and Afghanistan remember.) from 1969 until Bliar capitulated to those terrorist groups. That was well before the rest of the world started to feel the bombs of terror, like Bali, WTC etc.
As Mike Morgan said,“he (Bliar) took us into a war which the majority in this country agreed with .
Then people started to find that he had lied . Then made the security people shut up the media when they started expressing doubts.”
How do I reconcile my statement that Tony Blair, a firm supporter of that war, is totally without principle? Well it’s like this Tony, a person can expouse a cause, wear the T-shirt, say the words, but never really believe in it. That is mine, and many other’s here, feeling’s about Bliar.
And now, we take you back to the US of A… 
Warren, if companies like Wally World (WalMart) offend you, you have the right not to work for them (I don’t), and you have the right to not shop there (again, I don’t). I prefer to shop at the remaining Mom and Pop stores.
Where does it say that people have the right to basic necessities? You certainly have the right to pursue those necessities, but there is no where that I know of that guarentees anyone the right to have them. Perhaps I missed something. Can you point out to me where it is spelled out where I have a “right” to a basic necessity.
And who decides what is a basic necessity.
I say that one of my basic necessities is a live steam Challenger. I expect you to provide it for me post haste.
Saturday will be soon enough.
madwolf
Steve, I have never said it was written in the constitution. I said I believe that a government (and that means every government) has that responsibility to it’s people. I may not have made that all that clear in my rantings and ramblings… It frosts my butt to see American families…and I mean working families…not have proper, healthy meals while we send billions of dollars of food to other countries like Africa only to have it stolen and resold…and those people as well as Americans go hungry. I strongly believe in a leadership by example. If we are going to be the supposed leaders of the world…and we want to tell other countries how to take care of their people we need to do it by example first here… WE DON’T. I’m not advocating more taxes for the working people. But I do think we should take care of Americans first, before we spend billions elsewhere.
As for Wally World, I’m sorry but I feel you are somewhat out of touch with reality. I know people that hate the place, yet work there. Why, they have to eat humble pie and suck up because it’s the only job they can get. They don’t have the good fortune that others of us have in their hiring options. They have family responsibilities, pride and a desire to work. When the options are working at Wally World, or welfare their pride sends them to work. There will never be, in my eyes, justification for large corporations to screw over their employees. On this note I have to hand it to the Germans. Their work laws made it hard for Wally World to get away with the crap they do elsewhere and they packed up and left the country.
And speaking of European countries, they do a much better job of taking care of their people than the US by a long shot…I’m not saying that their systems are perfect…just better than what the US offers.
Warren
I did not believe this when I first read it , but I also heard it discussed on the Media .
American Law Enforcement Agents are now allowed to operate freely in the United Kingdom.
They do not have to liaise with Local Law Enforcement . (though it is thought that they will , out of courtesy , let people know)
There is no reciprocal arrangement for UK Law Enforcement in the USA .
So it is now perfectly legal for American Law Officers to actively pursue criminals (???) in my country .
Thus , we now have further erosion of rights to live in peace in our own country . Our rights are being eroded from the west and the east .
For the uninitiated , to the east lies The European Union and the other extremists , Islam .
Steve Featherkile said:
And now, we take you back to the US of A... :DWarren, if companies like Wally World (WalMart) offend you, you have the right not to work for them (I don’t), and you have the right to not shop there (again, I don’t). I prefer to shop at the remaining Mom and Pop stores.
Where does it say that people have the right to basic necessities? You certainly have the right to pursue those necessities, but there is no where that I know of that guarentees anyone the right to have them. Perhaps I missed something. Can you point out to me where it is spelled out where I have a “right” to a basic necessity.
And who decides what is a basic necessity.
I say that one of my basic necessities is a live steam Challenger. I expect you to provide it for me post haste.
Saturday will be soon enough.
madwolf
I couldn’t agree more, Steve! What’s that saying? What the goverment GIVES you, it can easily take away! Government-run entitlement programs are the most wasteful, inefficient, corrupt and unconstitutional things that were ever created. A good case in point is the FEMA fiasco in New Orleans. Local, city, state and private organizations responded almost immediately to the disaster and with the proper neccesaties. All FEMA provided was a bunch of lawyers telling you what you could and could not do. Perfect example of a good intention gone bad and a good case in point for getting rid of it!
I for one would rather live in a republic where I have choices than in a socialist state where the government mandates my choices!
Mike,
I can with ALL certainty tell you that if its the FBI they probably won’t let local LE know. Never met a more arrogant, egotistical bunch of lawyers, accountants playing make believe cops in my whole life!
Andre’
Maybe, if Roosevelt wasn’t so keen on getting the US on a path out of the Depression that envisaged War Machine Manufacturing, and told Churchill to piss off, we wouldn’t be having this discussion today.
At least not in English.
Just wait.
We’ve held the current lot of people who want to do us in at bay…and now “they” want to let them loose.
How long do you think we have left?
Dave ,
The way things are going here , not long .
We now have plans afoot for the building of the Largest Mosque in Europe , just downriver from London .
Any further comment from me would be superfluous .
Except to say it wlll be right under the very sky where the last invasion was forced into postponement by the RAF .
Mike
“We’ve held the current lot of people who want to do us in at bay…and now “they” want to let them loose.”
And who exactly are ,“they” Dave?
Rod F.
the ones you see being championed by the media in the US right now…
Oh, gotta get out NOW.
Yeah, right.
If the same bleeding heart liberals had kept their yaps shut when Schwarzkopf was chasing into Baghdad we would not have the problem we have now, but, hey, that’s okay.
Gotta be careful…it’s Friday…on one of the Veteran’s sites it’s also called “Political Friday”…no holds barred…
Rod Fearnley said:
"We've held the current lot of people who want to do us in at bay.......and now "they" want to let them loose."And who exactly are ,“they” Dave?
Rod F.
Rod, I think he means the dreaded L word… “liberals” ya know, they other 51% of the USA
Surprising if thats so, none of my “liberal” friends still didn’t seam to ever have had any issue with putting 100,000 troops into Afganistan (you know, the forgotten war) until the Teliban, Al Quida, and Osama and his croanies were all hunted down and either dead or in jail…its the continued neo-con fantasy that somehow Iraq was really the enemy even though in 2002 just prior to the war the UN was about to issue a report that stated Iraq had NO MWDS, and very questionable interpretations of US intelligence mixed with a lot of spin, that the invasion would be an cheap and easy overnight fix, the complete disregard and outright disdain for all the “experts” predictions of what an invasion of Iraq would end up as, which has come to pass almost verbatum, the billions wasted on “no bid contracts” & the rebuilding fiasco, and Rumsfields arrogance and mismanagement of the war, that has all my "liberal’ friends chewing on the scenery.
Funny how anyone who disagrees with this administration is either a “liberal” or “supporting the terrorists” even though its been pointed out that this administrations actions have made us MORE vunerable to terrorist attack. Yep all that Homeland Security money going to repub strongholds like Tulsa OK, and not to those liberal bastion like the Port of Long Beach, Ca. or anywhere else that makes any logical sense.
But now were stuck in Iraq, with no real way out, untold Billions of dollars up in smoke, a massive national debt, and our other potential real enemies like Iran, and North Korea, given a cart blanche to whatever the hell they want because they know we have no real reserve numbers left to fight anywhere else in the world cause all our avalable troops are mired down in Iraq trying to keep a small civil war from exploding into a national civil war.
We cant just up and leave, but we can’t stay either, our very presence is causing much of the violence, yet pulling out will lead to a full on Suni on Sheeit sect war that could explode across the entire region. Saddam was a devil, no doubt, but he was the devil that sat on a monster and kept it in its box, we’ve knocked Saddam off that monster and now that box has been opened…
Colin Powell said it propheticly, “You break it, you bought it”
and Osama is still giving us the finger safely in Pakistan…
Yep, best President ever…
Yes , and these “get them out of the gulf area now” mob think it is possible to just walk out without any losses , without a backward glance .
Same woolly mentality that shrieks “foul” whenever a serviceman does the job he is paid for .
Same lily libs who make life a misery for us by tying the hands of the police with paperwork that tries to stop the police being sued for damaging criminals “rights”
Same idiots who cry "global warming " then change it to “climate change” when people start to question the crap they spout . These are the same ones who banged on about the “hole in the ozone layer” . Must have gone , that . Or is it that it is not fashionable any longer ?
Be very aware , in the USA , these people are powerful , vested interests back them . You are not immune.
Present backing for “Climate change” comes from the green power industry .
Their latest scam is roof top wind powered generators and solar panels to avoid wasting power from the grid . Har de har .
They have been shown to cost so much that you never , ever get your money back in saved energy bills—if you did , the guvmunt would tax it .
They will anyway , once people get to depend on it .
These same lot got foxhunting banned in the UK . Now they have "won " that one , they are turning on peaceful old chaps sitting out of harms way on the riverbank , fishing . Alone , defenceless against the mob , they get terrified out of their wits and their fishing gear thrown in the river . Now the fishing gear damages water birds by tangling them up . Bright people , the loony lib left .
ps .this was being written while the above post was being posted . I would not change one word of what I have written .
Vic, I’m going to agree with you. This administration has caused a mess.
Mike, I understand you are seeing things from a different perspective…a British view vs a US view, but I do think you are over reacting and basing your views on what a small minority is trying to do. The far right conservatives are just as whacky as the far left liberals. If we in the US bowed down to the wishes of the far right religeous conservatives that are trying to control this country we would become another Iran…though a Christian Iran…but just as repressive and controlling. The UK’s problem is that far right liberals have the edge and are trying to force their beliefs on you.
Granted, we just cannot pull ourselves out of Iraq. It would cause grave world problems. But we made the mess. As vic said, we had the monster in a box with the lid firmly shut. We’ve opened Pandora’s Box and now we have to live with the consequences. I agree with the Democrats that we do need to get out of Iraq, but I’m smart enough to realize that it isn’t going to be over night…and we may need the rest of the world’s help to do it. I doubt if Iraq will ever be a true democracy. It just doesn’t seem to fit in with mainstream Arab beliefs. But there needs to be a fair resolution to the situation. What we really need is an administration that is willing to listen to other world leaders, see things through the eyes of another society and not be so arrogant. Will the new congress be more open minded? Or will we just have a rapid swing of the pendulum the opposite direction and be as screwed up as what we currently have. Only time will tell. And unfortunately I believe it will be business as usual…noting accomplished…everything screwed up. One thing that the political left and right seem to share in abundance is incompetence.
Warren
One view from North of the Border:
If I understand it correctly, the American system also works with the Three Pillars scheme; the Executive (administration), the Legislative (Congress), the Judiciary (all the courts at different levels).
So when do things get off the rails in a big way?
Whenever there is no balance between those three Pillars e.g. one or the other party gets a hold of the Admin and Congress; almost without fail they will try to ram through whatever laws any of their “sponsors” demand.
That leaves the judiciary to either sort out the mess by rapping the two on the knuckles; or to more or less gamely play along with what comes down the pike.
I know this is an oversimplification, but boy oh boy oh boy, when things get that polarized - doesn’t matter which side of the center - the results look rather grim. Have a look around!
Over-reacting ?
I think not .
I am quoting to you what it is actually like to live in the UK right now , not a projected hysterical forecast of what could happen .
I have just watched a programme on television , it was about the "Recycling Mafia "
Now , just sit back and look hard at the logic behind this one example —there are many similar .
A chap VOLUNTARILY joined a recycling scheme .
This entailed sorting your household waste into re-usable (paper , metals , and the like ) and landfill stuff --food , plastic (note that , plastic is apparently not recyclable --utter crap. It is .You can make bin bags out of it ) .
For the moment , we will ignore the recycling of garden rubbish .
So , your volunteer does a dedicated recycle job . Even unto washing his old bean cans and the like with the water which this country at the moment is in dire need of .
Then , he mucks it all up by allowing ONE PIECE OF PAPER to get into his can bag .
Who found this ? The Recycling Geheimstatzpolizei , or Gestapo . Are these gestapo unpaid earth loving greenies ? No , they are local authority employees , full of spite and bile , who are not brainy enough to perform useful employment .After all , what does it take to recognise paper versus metal ? Oh , yes , you have to soak the labels off the metals before thay are binned . More wasted water .
So our brave volunteer , for this one absolutely dreadful transgression , is fined ----£200 , $350 ,many shekels , bags of gold , whatever . £200 .
I am a pensioner . From the state , for my loyal years of working for a living , I am given the princely sum of £88 per week .
How much money and green energy (what utter crap ) has been wasted so far on this dreadful warning from the loony left ? Because it is they who have proudly proclaimed their victory in this case , no argument , left left left . Learn , for god’s sake , before it is too late .
Now , at present , you may , if you wish , dispose of your rubbish by DRIVING to a recycling centre , and just chuck it into the landfill bin . No siorting , just burn a gallon of so called polluting petrol to get rid of your rubbish which you do not dare to get removed by the weekly rubbish collector in case he gets miffy with you and decides to plant a bit of paper in your carefully sorted sacks of cans and so on .
I bet that when our illegals get the message about rubbish and recycling , they will suddenly find they can’t speak English–as usual .
Believe it , BIG BROTHER is alive and well , and living OFF the UK .
By the way , I used to be a Liberal . Yes , Liberal . Then I grew up .
Thanks for the clarification Dave, and to you Vic for your views.
Warren, your statement is a little off. Quote,"The UK’s problem is that far right liberals have the edge and are trying to force their beliefs on you. " Un quote.
Our government at present is Labour. They would be more akin to your Democrats, but not quite. Our Liberal Party is probably closer aligned. That leaves the Conservative Party, akin to the Republicans,only pro Monarchy and Unionist. That is England, Scotland ,Wales and Northern Ireland United, as in United Kingdom
Now we in the UK use the term liberal in a slightly different context to you guys. It’s with a small L, if it was a Capital L, it would refer to the third party in British politics (vote splitters) When we use the term liberal, we are referring to those people of all parties, who see criminals, as victims, who run politically correct agenda’s, who fight to keep illegal immigrants here, who who won’t deport foreign criminals, who fight to keep repeat offenders out of jail, who will give social housing to any foreigner, but not the British, and allow Muslim Terrorist groups to reside here. I could go on and on.
What I am trying to say is, it is not the liberal right that is causing the problems here, it is the liberal mindset and attitudes of a lot of politicians, of all parties, the judiciary and political appointees (Quangocrats)
The ordinary people of this Country do not want this state of affairs. But at the next General election, tribal beliefs(voting patterns) will come back into play. I see very little change occurring to be honest. The two major parties are now so close together in their thinking that you will see no change.
Rod
Quite right , Rod , sadly , quite right .
I will say from what I do know of British politics, that your ‘liberals’ make most of our democrats look more like republicans!
Almost all repubs and demos I know are much more towards the middle politicly than all the news hyperbola would lead one to beleive. Too much Spin…
Perhaps, instead of “liberal” to describe the lot who want to coddle criminals, terrorists, illegal aliens, etc, we sould use the term “secular pregressive.” I think it is a more correct descriptive term.
SteveF
Idiots would be even better , but nobody would know who you were talking about .
Limp libbies suits fine .
Mike