The Blair Labor government are either Right wing Fascists or Left wing loonies. They can’t be both.
Of course you are right Tony. Bliar’s labour government are just self serving scumbag politicians. They can be either left or right…depending on who the audience is at the time.
BTW I happen to believe that Fascist and communist are two sides of the same coin, both will murder their own countrymen to retain power at all costs.
Rod F.
Hans,
You have to be really careful when you tighten your nuts.
Apropos of nothing, or maybe everything…
As explained in a Political Science class: (oxymoron alert, using political and science in the same sentence.)
Imagine the great mass of the unwashed. This is chaos, or anarchy. Lay a straight edge down on top of that mess. At the extreme left of the straight edge is the political left, and at the extreme right is the political right. In the center are the moderates. Note that as one goes a bit further left or right from the extremes, one enters into anarchy. According to this professor, that is why there is no real difference between the extreme left and the extreme right, because they are just a step away from being anarchists.
I enjoyed that class. I never knew what he was going to come up with, next.
SteveF
Rod, I’m more apt to say that communist and fascist are on the same side of the coin with capitalists sharing the other side.
Capitalist = love of money = greed.
I was taught at an early age from the Bible that “the love of money is the root of all evil.”
Warren
Warren Mumpower said:
Rod, I'm more apt to say that communist and fascist are on the same side of the coin with capitalists sharing the other side.Capitalist = love of money = greed.
I was taught at an early age from the Bible that “the love of money is the root of all evil.”
Warren
Warren, so where then lies Nirvana? And please don’t say Seattle!
Steve
TonyWalsham said:
Hans, You have to be really careful when you tighten your nuts.
Tony, 
No kidding! I usually duck just in case the wings come off the nuts.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
TonyWalsham said:
Hans, You have to be really careful when you tighten your nuts.Tony,
Is that an avaition joke? This is a railroad site! Please keep it so. madwolf
Steve Featherkile said:Remember the Aerotrain! (Wasn't that the one that sank trying to roll across Havana harbor?) Anyway, we mustn't make aviation jokes. lest we be arrested as terrorists. Air Canada is a standing joke. As for railroads, would riding politicians out of town on a rail be on topic? Tar and feathers optional.
Is that an aviation joke? This is a railroad site! Please keep it so. :D madwolf
Hi Rod,
As Blair has made the UK a supporter and participant in the Coalition war on terror, does that make the British Labor Party Fascists/Communists or merely loonie leftists?
Or what?
Steve Featherkile said:Warren Mumpower said:
Rod, I'm more apt to say that communist and fascist are on the same side of the coin with capitalists sharing the other side.Capitalist = love of money = greed.
I was taught at an early age from the Bible that “the love of money is the root of all evil.”
Warren
Warren, so where then lies Nirvana? And please don’t say Seattle!Steve
Nah, Steve. A lot closer to Spokane…
My beliefs lie somewhere in the middle. I believe that the government is here to serve the people and has a responsibility towards them. They should provide enough social services that basic needs of housing, clothing, food and medical are met. And there needs to be enough capitalism to encourage productivity but nipped through taxes, earnings caps etc. at the upper levels to curb greed.
One of Communism’s big failures was that it lacked the incentive (regulated capitalism) to produce and maintain quality and pride in the workforce, But Capitalism as we have it here in the US suffers just as bad in that the upper classes of people have all the playtoys and work benifits and money but they have little concern for other people or the planet they live on…the throw away society. But the poor working class and lower middle class people suffer. They don’t have the proper medical and retirement benifits. They have substandard housing and food. Why, because Walmart type CEO’s of these companies rake in the money but fail to provide for their employees. Our government taxes and taxes then spends the money on foreign countries where politician owned companies can get lucrative contracts after we bomb the crap out of them and kill more civilians than the dictator we are supposedly there to depose.
I better get off the soap box before I’m stoned…
Nirvana would be a wonderful place if there were not any people there…
Warren
Steve Featherkile said:
Is that an avaition joke? This is a railroad site! Please keep it so. :Dmadwolf
Steve,
It is a discussion on the merits of various fasteners; any other similarities are to be taken in stride.
Wingnuts, screws, nuts etc. all have one thing in common. Unless they’re torqued properly or secured by some means, chances are you’ll have flying wingnuts, loose screws or errant nuts.
But speaking of torque, that may need slight adjustment before someone snaps. 
Warren Mumpower said:
Nirvana would be a wonderful place if there were not any people there....:DWarren
Actually, I was thinking of the Seattle-based rock band, Nirvana…
The preamble of our Constitution states that the Government is constituted to "provide for the common defense… promote the general welfare. The US Democrat Party as it is presently constituted seems to have it backwards, “to promote the common defense … to provide the common welfare.”
What is so great about this country is that everyone has the same opportunity. What you do with it is up to you. Nowhere does our constitution guarentee PROVISION of basic services like needs of housing, clothing, food and medical. The constitution guarentees you the right to pursue that, actually, that is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, “Pursuit of Freedom.” You can pursue those things to your heart’s content, and if you are successful, you will achieve them. For the government to guarentee them means that someone like me, has to pay for them. Now I will gladly pay for them for myself and my family, and will freely give through charity to assure that the needs of the “deserving poor” are met. But when someone says that I MUST guarentee these basic needs for someone else, well, that is where I dig in my heels.
When I was a PA Student, the young Intern I was shadowing and I were taking care of an illegal alien who had tried to cross I-5 on foot. That is a dangerous thing to do, and he did not succeed. Long story short, he wanted to make a phone call to a relative in East Los Angeles (no kidding). She (the Intern) was of the opinion that the Border Patrol should fund the phone call. I told her that since he was not a citizen, he was not entitled to any services from our “gummint.” She was free to dig into her purse, however, and dig out the few dollars that the call would cost. She kept insisting that the Border Patrol (i.e. our government, i.e. me) bear the cost of the phone call and could not understand how foolish her position made her seem.
It has been said that democracy will fail once the populace discovers that they can vote themselves bread and circuses from the treasury. I fear we are at that pont, now. How sad.
SteveF
Illegal alien, illegal immagrant or what ever you want to call those that got here illegally in my opinion are not entitled to anything but a trip out of the country.
But, whether or not the government provides for the people, or they make the employers provide, people have the right to basic necessities. When I see a greedy company like Walmart (and there are many more here in the NW) hire people for minimum wage, only give them part time hours so they don’t have to pay benifits, then I get upset and dig my heals in. While I can understand your feelings about being taxed to death, and do understand you wanting to dig your heals in, large corporate employers need to take their responsibilities. Either they provide what people rightly are entitled to if they are willing to work or tax them to pay for it. I agree that the middle class does not need any further burden. But unfortunately in our system those that control the tax burden (politicians) are not going to tax themselves and their buddies (Rupert & Co) and therefore, pass it down to those less able to afford more taxes.
Warren
Perhaps a lot of the ills in our societies could be assuaged if those in positions of power and privilege learnt about, understood and implemented the principles of “Noblesse Oblige”
Yes , interesting stuff .
Tony , I was not being personal , you emigrated , you have now said why . I was trying to make a point about why people emigrate from this country . Now , if you want to try to destroy argument by saying it’s getting personal , that will not fool anybody .
Your comment about the right wing in Germany before WW2 ,etc ,.
That was the whole point , totalitarian regimes who proclaim themselves right ,left , gay , straight , anti , pro ----bend with the wind , make the wind , and knock the crap out of opposition when it starts to get a voice . So you could have quoted Pol Pot , Kim the Killer, Stalin , Castro . Ah , yes , they are all left wing though . Shame about that .I know there are equally bad so called right wing , too .
Tony B. Liar is not bi-polar , he is multi polar . His probable successor , Gawd’elp’us is one of those strange objects , a rich and cossetted leftwinger . Why is it that most of the left in this country seem to have loads of dosh ? They can afford to be socialist is why .
So , as usuual , it’s
DON’T DO WHAT I DO , DO WHAT I SAY
Interesting how this group seems to be forming the usual alliances , frightening , innit ?
“As Blair has made the UK a supporter and participant in the Coalition war on terror, does that make the British Labor Party Fascists/Communists or merely loonie leftists?
Or what?”
Tony, maybe I am failing in the way that I explain this, so I shall try again. Bliar is absolutely void of any principles whatsoever. He is like Ron L Hubbard,who invented a religion. He invented a political party on the back of another and called it the Third way (Please my American friends, I am talking about the UK here, not American politics) Because of this, he can be all things to all men without having the balls to stand by any principle. As long as he has power. Even those in his own party are beginning to despise him and see him for what he is.
As for you question are they Communists, Fascists or loonie leftists? Read, any of the above. They are whatever you want them to be with him as leader, C,F or LL!
Oh and BTW, Bliar and his cronies have presided over London, becoming Londinistan, so they had to support the coalition cause.
You wrote,"Perhaps a lot of the ills in our societies could be assuaged if those in positions of power and privilege learnt about, understood and implemented the principles of “Noblesse Oblige”.
Tony I have a very deep social concience, I also have a great love of my Country. This man has destryed a 1000 years of history and given Germany and France, by a stroke of a pen, what they couldn’t achieve with a gun.
Noblesse Oblige, in this country means that if you went to school with Bliar, shared an apartment, or worked in the same law firm, means that you get to get aplace at the trough.
Rod F
So this is the same Bi-polar, multi-polar, Fascist, Communist, loony left Tony Blair who is the close friend of George the Junior.
Not to say the protege of Rupert Murdoch.
What does that say about the judgement of George the Junior getting involved with Tony Blair at all? At all.
Tony,I have not, and will not be judgemental about America, Canada or Australia’s choice of leaders. It is not my place to do so.
You are still intent on not seeing what I am saying! He is none of those things that you mention. (Bi-polar, multi-polar, Fascist, Communist, loony left . your words) But he will have those who are, think that he is. Nobody here really knows what he believes in.
He is totally without principle.
Rod
Rod I am not intending to be judgemental about anyone.
Except of course Rupert Murdoch.
I can however see how my title, George the junior, could be taken that way.
So my apologies if it was taken that way by my American friends.
I shall rephrase the title as George the Younger.
As in Pitt the Younger. A highly respected British Prime Minister.
I am just asking questions.
EG.
Are you a supporter of the coalition of the willing in the war against terror?
If so, how do you reconcile that with your statement that Tony Blair, a firm supporter of that war, is totally without principle?
Rod ,
You are so right , he is a disgrace .
For those who don’t live in this country , he took us into a war which the majority in this country agreed with .
Then people started to find that he had lied . Then made the security people shut up the media when they started expressing doubts . A lot of people in this country still think we were right to go and remove Saddam , and to go into Afghanistan to stop the mad mullahs there .
Tactically , it is a sensible thing to do .
If you have an ants’ nest , do you get rid of it by bonking them on the head as they come out ? Not a good tactic , far better to invade the source and kill it .
So B.Liar swayed in the wind , and today , as his good friend in the USA is losing ground , he shows his support by telling the Iraqis and Syrians that he wants to talk with them . And the Iranians . Sod the friend , Mr B has to come out smelling of roses . Straight kiinda guy , he keeps telling us . Straight to the nearest popularist scam .
And todays news , chaps — must keep you informed ----- the gummunt have issued another decree . The Great Leap forward for today is ------------------------------------WAIT FOR IT------------------------
Parents are to be forced to attend classes to learn nursery rhymes so's they can tell fairy stories to their kids .
YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP
I didn’t , it’s a headline on the front page of the daily paper .
I bet the nursery rhymes and stories will have been made politically correct , too . Especially important will be any references to wicked witches . Any snide reference to fairies will be disallowed , but all the king’s horses and all the kings men can be trashed for incompetence as per usual . I don’t think the silly wumman who is pushing this knows that most nursery stuff is political anyway . She also has presided over several other scandalous failures , and been rewarded accordingly —give her something else so’s she doesn’t think she’s a failure .
In the same issue , A 75 year old has been sent to prison for non-payment of council tax . He was protesting about the misuse of £42000 of public money for the private defence of a council employee .
More tomorrow , no doubt .