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Rod, I cannot really agree or disagree with you on most of the EU problem for England. I’m just not close enough to it to really see the situation accurately. But on the other hand, Tony…

In some parts of this country we have problems with ticks, a little bug that likes to burrow it’s head under your flesh while it eats. I was taught that the best way to get one loose was to take a lit cigarette or something hot and place it on it’s butt and it would back out of it’s feeding spot and you could dispose of it. So, I might suggest that you poke Tony with something hot on his butt and just maybe he would pull his head out of Dubya’s feeding spot…:smiley: Then properly dispose of him.

Warren

Tony in reply.
Bliar as we call him is, IMHO guilty for giving an unelected Europe Commision the right to write laws that appertain to my Country. To sign us up to a Human rights bill that has become a Crooks charter and a piggy bank to lawyers. To betray the Unionsit peoples of Northern Ireland and release terrorist murderer’s back on to our streets. I could go on.
Just remember, this government was elected by less than 22% of the population. So he did not have a mandate to sell my country at all!
Rod F.

Warren to paraphrase Jackie Gleeson in Smokey and the Bandit, Tony Bliar is a “Tick Turd” !

Considering the company he likes to “suck up to” I don’t doubt it at all.

Warren

The only sensible thing that B Liar did was to ally himself with America in the Middle East .
The rest of his foreign policy was such utter crap that I , as an Englishman , now have to keep reminding myself that the illegal immigrants next door have more rights than I have .
Meanwhile , his political officers in local guvimunt keep chipping away at what few rights I have remiaining .
Excuse me , I must go and empty the trash and check that I have not mixed paper up with plastic , or metal with dust from the cleaner , or the local recycling gestapo will bang me with a fixed penalty £60 quid fine —or for our overseas fans , 110 dollars .
I spent a lifetime in the Armed Forces , just to give some trendy lefties the right to remove my rights . What a bleedin’ idiot I was .

Mike Morgan said:
The only sensible thing that B Liar did was to ally himself with America in the Middle East . The rest of his foreign policy was such utter crap that I , as an Englishman , now have to keep reminding myself that the illegal immigrants next door have more rights than I have . Meanwhile , his political officers in local guvimunt keep chipping away at what few rights I have remiaining . Excuse me , I must go and empty the trash and check that I have not mixed paper up with plastic , or metal with dust from the cleaner , or the local recycling gestapo will bang me with a fixed penalty £60 quid fine ---or for our overseas fans , 110 dollars . I spent a lifetime in the Armed Forces , just to give some trendy lefties the right to remove my rights . What a bleedin' idiot I was .
That is what democracy is about. Vote the idiots out! Surely there must be a scandal attached to their backside somewhere! Don't say it can't be done! They did it.

Steve ,
You cannot be serious ? Vote them out ? They introduced a postal ballot so’s it could be manipulated ,and it was . They still hold on to the seats dishonestly gained .
You should be aware that your staunchest allies are now living in a virtual dictatorship , with left wing gauleiters given power at local level to keep the masses in check . The petty spiteful rules being forced on us without asking—they know the answer,so dare not ask — have to be seen to be believed . In any event , both main parties are now indistinguishable from one another .
We have just had a court case where a right wing chappie was found not guilty of racial discrimination (for speaking his mind ) .
“THEY” are now trying to change the law so’s they can get him . He was found not guilty by a jury of 12 . This was his second trial , the first was discontinued because the jury could not agree --9 said not guilty , 3 said guilty .
And , saddest of all , there are instances of which I dare not speak , because certain key words are sought in the big brother world of email checking .
I can give you one example of how we are ignored .
It has been found by the usual reliable polls that the people of this country want capital punishment reinstated . Anyone voicing in favour of this is dubbed uncivilised . These uncivilised savages apparently should go out and hug these misunderstood killers and miscreants to show them love .
All political parties here will not even allow a fair vote on the subject .
Watch B Liar on camera when he is challenged , he looks hurt —he is not acting , he actually believes the lies he tells .
Democracy ?
You jest , sir .

We’re seeing the same things creeping in here too. But I do have to admit that from what I’ve heard and read it’s really bad in the UK. Everybody is rejoicing because the Dems won here…and yes I did vote Democrat party. But in reality the two parties are indistinguishable here also. Oh, we just started those mail in ballots here too. I wonder how long before they get tampered with…:confused: :frowning:

Don’t feel like the UK has a corner on scumbag politicians. We have a whole congress full. Ummmm…I think I’m going to shut up before I really p*ss off some folks.

Warren

Honestly I couldn;t agree more…I think its a Grass is always Greener philosophy…Its always someone looking for personal gain, and really out of touch with the real world…

Mike,

I didn’t say that it would be easy, just that it could be done. Sooner or later, folks will wise up. It is happening, slowly, here. Get a copy of “Culture Warrior” by Bill O’Reilley to find out just how big the mess really is and how to fight back.

Thomas Jefferson said that a little revolution now and then is good for the country. It doesn’t have to be at the point of a sword.

SteveF

Steve ,
You are quite right , we don’t have to sit back and accept it .
I certainly haven’t , and I shall continue trying to alert people to the danger .
I just thought that this post might show that not all of us are sheep , mildly accepting the inevitable .
The Soviet Union may have collapsed , China may have turned capitalist , but the left still poses the biggest danger —they both still fund their agents of “politics driven by spite and envy”

Aaaaaaaaah! Bill O’Reilley.

The darling of that bastion of right wing thought and propaganda, Fox News.

Now before you dismiss me as a voice of left wing evil in the World, you would do well to at least read the following. It is all true and not opinion. Well, not until the end anyway.

Who owns Fox News and who does the right think is on their side?
Why who else but Ruper Murdoch.
Now y’all might think Bill O’Reilley and Fox News are fighting the good fight on behalf of all right thinking peoples of the World.
Perhaps you should think again.

Rupert Murdoch is actually an ex Australian.
His political inclinations sway with the wind of business opportunity.
In 1972 he sided with that well known supporter of left wing views, Gough Whitlam, in his march to the Prime Ministership of Australia with the Australian Labor Party.
Now why do you think he did that?
Before the election Gough and the Labor Party did a deal with Rupert to relax the cross media rules in Australia that would have permitted Rupert to own both newspapers, televison and radio stations all over Australia.
As it transpired the Labor Party ratted on Rupert and refused to give him unfettered access to the somewhat limited ownership of the Australian media.
Via his existing media connections, Rupert campaigned against the Labour Party at the 1975 election and saw the defeat of the Labor Party to the Conservative forces in Australia. This state of affairs remained until Malcolm Fraser and the then Conservative Government also upset Rupert to such an extent that he then helped elect another Labour Government headed by Bob Hawke in 1983. When Paul Keating, the successor to Bob Hawke became an electoral liability he then switched again, and at the 1996 election supported another Conservative government.

Not content with “running” Governments in Australia Rupert also supported Margaret Thatcher during her reign in the UK. After Margaret was forced out by her own side he then supported John Major until it became so obvious that his Tory government was becoming so on the nose he summonsed the then Labor opposition leader, Tony Blair to his private island off the coast of Australia for a “conference”. Soon after Rupert came out in support of Blair, got him elected and has supported him ever since.

Ultimately Rupert set himself up in the USA and was an enthusiastic supporter of George the Junior and the war against terrorism.
Bill O’Reilley was/is one of the main spokesmen for Ruperts views. He has been very good at it.

Now a few predictions.
Blair is on the nose so watch out for a switch back to the Tories in the UK.

George the Junior and his Republican Party are also on the nose now. I won’t go into why as that would likely be interpreted as Bush bashing.
I’ll leave that to the wrath of American people who are now realising just what it is they have been convinced of supporting.

What does all that mean? Don’t think for one minute Rupert Murdoch has the best interests of the USA, British or Australian people at heart. First and foremost Rupert looks after his own interests and uses governments to help achieve that.

Recently Rupert has come out in support of the acceptance that Global warming is actually happening and we humans have helped contribute to the rapid escalation of that warming.
Not only that, Rupert has come out in support of that former archangel of the devil, Hillary Clinton.
At the next USA Presidential election Rupert will campaign against the Republicans and you can bet your bottom dollar Fox News and Bill O’Reilley, if he is still on the payroll, will lead the charge.

To back up what I think will happen, If am wrong I am willing to donate an RCS ELITE-3 battery R/C system in both the USA and the UK to be auctioned to the highest bidder. The proceeds of which will be donated to the charities of Steve and Mikes choice.

This may seem to have very little to do with where this thread is going, but I just have an idea it is along the same line.

Have you ever noticed how the auto workers of North America, scream bloody murder when they loose jobs; the rail workers do the same, as do all of us consumers.

But… Take a long hard look at the parking lots at a Ford or GM plant and see what automobiles the workers are buying. Listen to the bitching of the rail workers, and then look at what we the consumers buy while out shopping; just look in our carts at the stores…

No LOYALTY TO OUR EMPLOYERS AT ALL. But yet we bitch at the world for giving us a hard time while buying off shore and on the other hand, demanding that our Unions get us more and more money from our employers.

Of course our employers, who have to keep above the bottom line; don’t do much to improve the situation. They all live in the same neighbourhoods of America, and eat the same food; breath the same air and their shopping carts aren’t any different.

It used to be that you could look at the shipping docks of the industries of North America, and see business booming. Not anymore. The only motions you see are the waving of arms and the noise of the STOCK MARKET. We only rest on our laurels and hope that buy buying “Paper”, we can reap a harvest on the stock exchanges with little or no physical labour. While so called “Alien Workers”, clamour to get into our countries to take jobs we consider to be “BENEATH US”

 Out there, especially in CANADA, you see us shipping off our raw products to foreign lands, only to see us buying back products made and built with our raw products and offshore labour. Without our labour force ever being greatly involved.

Our investments never go to plants here, that use our resourses; we invest off shore in hope of the big windfall. We even fight with our neigbours over our so called " North American FREE TRADE" Of course our neigbours fight back, with a protectionist attitude E.G. Softwood lumber and Agricultural products. (Free trade…bull shi*t…we don’t even have free trade amungst our Provinces)

Our world is slowly turning inside out; with us becoming the “Third World”, while the old “Third World” is grabbing us by the “Crown Jewels”.

We are doing it to our selves…greed…we must have our big hot cars to impress the neighbours…we must be the first on our block to get the best “Whatever” that comes down the tube. We must seek the highest wage without ever thinking what a wage increase involves. We must always be “Winners”, at what risk ?

We North Americans are SPOILED beyond help. Yes, we have had the odd revolution, and small wars here and there in the distant past.  BUT, none of us has seen real ruin or war on our home ground in several generations.

We go and fight off shore, to try to protect a world that really is slowely taking over our resourses, and wealth. We are actually loosing ground right here at home, and don’t recognize it.

Here in Canada we still can get along without guns, generally. But the day is coming here, where even Canadians will have to strap on a side arm and join our neigbours, fighting the invaders from within.

Even with modern technology, we aren't winning right here at home. 

Will we ever actually get out and vote for the leaders we keep saying we deserve ?
Will we just look at being governed as just part of what we must put up with ?

Will we always sit back and let “Others” lead, and become the “Polititions” we say we dislike, and always chastise.

Will be keep on following the weird path of “Political Correctness” ?

It’s all fine to yell and scream on forums such as this, where we should be actually talking about our hobby, and sharing our knowledge in a constructive manner.

BUT; what are we doing while out in the streets, closed up in our fabulous automobiles, avoiding talking with our neigbours....do we ever walk to the store anymore ?

Do we ever promote fellowship and goodwill with the people next door ?

Do we do anything except promote Sports, where there is only a winner and a looser, while forgetting the opportunity to share a hobby where there are NO LOOSERS, and we can ALL BE WINNERS ?

I’ve gone on long enough, but it is a sad day really, where we need a forum on a MODEL RAILROAD SITE, that is for OFF TOPIC stuff…we should really be venting out at town hall meetings, where we can share our frustrations with the people that tegether with, we can make a difference.

Fred,
I agree with you completely.

I have pleaded for nothing but trains here.
Now my attitude is to help expose what our society has really become.
Me me me, ad nauseum.
It isn’t pretty.
It will get worse.

Ah , Fred , Fred, poor deluded soul . Your heart is in the right place , but your body ain’t .
Try standing up and telling the truth in the average UK town hall , or even in the large political meetings , and you are likely to get slung out AND arrested under new anti terrorist laws whereby you can be held for 28 days without charge .
We were all pleased to see the anti terror laws voted in , but not so pleased when they started to use them against free speech , as demonstrated at the Labour Party meeting where an elderly gentleman disagreed out loud , was roughly manhandled out of the hall by thugs , then arrested . Of course , it was all a misunderstanding . Yeah , right , they happen regularly , these misunderstandings .

The other point about this Off Topic thread is that for some of us , it is the only way to report what is happening , to alert folks in other countries --I doubt that it will get into the papers in the USA or Canada that some of your allies are under threat , with your being busy with the fallout from your own political happenings .

Tony is right about Rupert Murdoch , what a self serving ratbag he is . He now does not so much bend with the wind as generate it in directions favourable to his empire .

And the latest trash from the trendy libs and left ?
The prisoners in UK prisons who were denied their illegal dose of Opiates and the like are being compensated by the guvvimunt for assault . Believe it , they made them go cold turkey and it upset them . So the bleeding heart lalas started a case on their behalf , and the so called powers that be caved in , presumably because it didn’t want a precedent set . So far , nobody has said whether the prisoners are now allowed their illegal drugs , but I wouldn’t mind betting that some twerp pops out regularly to the local supplier and illegally buys some for the lads . It would not be surprising if the prisoners were allowed out to buy it themselves , at least they won’t be had for possession whilst in clink , so they will rush back to safety and luxury . Meantime , pensioners on fixed incomes are seeing their honest earned money being further taxed to pay for these barmy exercises .

ps Tony , just read your reply .I hope that this free speech lasts long enough to benefit everyone .
Of course , when I get to say "Too Late " I won’t be able to . If you see what I mean .

Mike Morgan said:
SNIP We were all pleased to see the anti terror laws voted in , but not so pleased when they started to use them against free speech , as demonstrated at the Labour Party meeting where an elderly gentleman disagreed out loud , was roughly manhandled out of the hall by thugs , then arrested . Of course , it was all a misunderstanding . Yeah , right , they happen regularly , these misunderstandings .
That sounds to me like the sort of behaviour the right wing Fascists used prior to the 2nd WW and what Eastern bloc Communist regimes did until their demise. Hardly loony Liberal in outlook.
Mike Morgan said:
SNIP And the latest trash from the trendy libs and left ? The prisoners in UK prisons who were denied their illegal dose of Opiates and the like are being compensated by the guvvimunt for assault . Believe it , they made them go cold turkey and it upset them . So the bleeding heart lalas started a case on their behalf , and the so called powers that be caved in , presumably because it didn't want a precedent set . So far , nobody has said whether the prisoners are now allowed their illegal drugs , but I wouldn't mind betting that some twerp pops out regularly to the local supplier and illegally buys some for the lads . It would not be surprising if the prisoners were allowed out to buy it themselves , at least they won't be had for possession whilst in clink , so they will rush back to safety and luxury .
That sure sounds like something loony left liberals would do.

If so how, do you explain the same administration being both right wing fascists and left wing Liberal loonies at the same time?

Tony, it’s called “blowing in the wind”. These slime bags we call politicians will lean any way that they feel will benifit them. Rupert doen’t hold a corner market on that. Most politicians will flip flop like a dying fish on dry land. It’s their agenda and we are the pawns.

I often wish we could bring back the political rebellion of the 60’s…without a left or right…just good common sense. But unfortunately greed has blinded too many people and they are afraid they will loose their big SUV’s. I’ve been before city council and spoken my piece before. I’m not afraid to do it again and probably will.

Warren

Good gracious , Tony , you really are mixed up . Is that why you left England ? (giving you chance to say it was to get away from people like me )

Tony,

May I ask you to take a scan of “Culture Warrior,” for no other reason than to “Know your Enemy?” What I hear you saying is exactly what I read in that book. It has nothing to do with left or right.

On another note, I heard this morning that the new Speaker of the House, the Wicked Witch of the West, Nancy Peloci is going to appoint Chairman of the important House Intelligence Committies a fellow who was impeached and convicted from his Federal Judgeship for perjury and bribery. Wasn’t it Nancy Pelosi, the Wicked Witch of the West who was complaining about the Republicans having a “Culture of Corruption?” My, my, how power corrupts!

I predict that this lot will be out on their collective ears in 2 years, wondering “What happened?”

SteveF

Mike Morgan said:
Good gracious , Tony , you really are mixed up . Is that why you left England ? (giving you chance to say it was to get away from people like me )
There you go again Mike. Getting personal. Far from me being mixed up, I would humbly suggest that making two diametrically opposed descriptions of the behaviour of the incumbent government of the UK seems to be way more mixed up than me pointing out those descriptions. You can't have it both ways. The Blair Labor government are either Right wing Fascists or Left wing loonies. They can't be both.

I was 11 yo when my two sisters and I were taken to Australia in 1955 by my parents to get as far away as possible from Europe.
I like Australia.
It has given me a good upbringing and I am allowed to do things more or less my way.
I certainly don’t regret my parents bringing me here as a callow youth.
I am still a British citizen.

TonyWalsham said:
Far from me being mixed up, I would humbly suggest that making two diametrically opposed descriptions of the behaviour of the incumbent government of the UK seems to be way more mixed up than me pointing out those descriptions. You can't have it both ways. The Blair Labor government are either Right wing Fascists or Left wing loonies. They can't be both.
Hey Tony, ;)

One of those right wing Fascists (Brit ex-pat) explained that to me one day during an “animated” discussion.

What one needs to imagine is a split-type (as opposed to the serration type) lock washer. While it describes one circle, there is a separation at the split.

Of course if you tighten a nut onto a screw in proper fashion the two ends of the lock washer will come together. Any allegories in the preceeding sentence are strictly coincidental! :wink: :slight_smile: