Tim Brien said:
HJ,
which one is Rooster???
The one that crows…
Tim,
About the “stay tuned” and other common expressions.
I week ago I passed through Mount Robson Provincial Park (on Hwy 16). On the way East it was “move along, nothing to see here”; more than an hour later - driving West - I could see billowing smoke from a fair distance. What the heck! It was a substantial grass/brush fire right by the highway i.e. where there’s smoke there is fire, sometimes closer than one expects.
Curiouser and curiouser!!
Tony Walsham said:
Curiouser and curiouser!!
it’s a simile! Rooster knows all about those.
A simile differs from a metaphor though
Who’s Rooster?
Who are you calling a metaphor?
Curmudgeon mcneely said:
Who are you calling a metaphor?
could that be an oxi-moron? Just asking, just asking.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
The reaction from some is very similar to what we saw/heard back in 2006 when EPL was on the skids.
So what?
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
…but just like 2004-06: mum’s the word. For very good reason!
What reason, and why does it matter to anyone here?
Gotta be careful… it’s MONON railroad modelers who can’t spell.
Plus, it’s folks in a mini skirt with rainbow suspendsers and a tiara…that don’t have any friends, but want you to take yours and leave is odd…boggles the mind, it does.
Wendell Hanks said:
HJ, Tim, Dave, Greg, etc., and the rest of us, all share this focus: Protect us as consumers.
Protect you from what??? In what was does all this blather protect anyone from anything???
If I see a product I want, in stock, I’m going to buy it regardless of whether the manufacturer goes belly up tomorrow and 20 years from now. The future of the company is completely irrelevant to whatever I can get in my hands today.
What it does affect is my ability to buy products in the future. So if you really think AC is going under, you should be encouraging people to buy as much as they can get ahold of while they can. But I don’t see any of you guys actually saying that.
Ray Dunakin said:
Wendell Hanks said:
HJ, Tim, Dave, Greg, etc., and the rest of us, all share this focus: Protect us as consumers.
Protect you from what??? In what was does all this blather protect anyone from anything???
If I see a product I want, in stock, I’m going to buy it regardless of whether the manufacturer goes belly up tomorrow and 20 years from now. The future of the company is completely irrelevant to whatever I can get in my hands today.
Warranty, parts and repairs, Ray. That’s why it matters if a company is still around tomorrow.
Especially if you have a Revo, multiple receivers and the transmitter takes a dump
But as long as company “A” is in the crosshairs, it gives companies “B” & “U” a break
Ralph
Ray,
If I’m not interested in what transpires in a thread … I just ignore that thread. I know of only one “must read” thread on this site http://www.largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/5983/about-the-forums
All the rest is take it or leave it.
The reasons behind “Mum’s the word” will not be spelled out. The litiguous tendencies that prevail in the USA are at the core of it.
Ray Dunakin said:
Wendell Hanks said:
HJ, Tim, Dave, Greg, etc., and the rest of us, all share this focus: Protect us as consumers.
Protect you from what??? In what was does all this blather protect anyone from anything???
If I see a product I want, in stock, I’m going to buy it regardless of whether the manufacturer goes belly up tomorrow and 20 years from now. The future of the company is completely irrelevant to whatever I can get in my hands today.
What it does affect is my ability to buy products in the future. So if you really think AC is going under, you should be encouraging people to buy as much as they can get ahold of while they can. But I don’t see any of you guys actually saying that.
Very strange, Ray. Since a report from one who was there three weeks ago, the warehouse is virtually empty.
Yes, it affects your ability to buy products in the future. If the report is true, is affects your ability to buy said products now.
If I was using that stuff, I’d be watching closely…if for no other reason than to know if I could buy it today…tomorrow.
We hope it works out…really.
Last thing the hobby needs is another one gone…or even absorbed.
How can anyone encourage you to buy anything now…when the warehouse is so low in stock?
How did he say it…he’s never seen the warehouse that empty?
If you want a specific item, and they don’t have it…can you back-order it?
If we didn’t have people screaming “bashing”, maybe someone would share their recent experiences with trying to order something.
Maybe this lone container coming early next week will solve all your problems. Who knows.
All the discussion has done is lay out what’s visible…what’s known…from the lack of ads, full stop, to Lewis’s admission he is putting the warehouse up for sale 01SEP13, to the new Crest website now showing Navin’s house as the address.
I made a comment elsewhere about blinders.If the data available is given, would someone wearing blinders even listen if anyone told them to buy now?
Think about it.
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Examples of protection:
Knowing that if you bought the first run of GP40’s that your motors will probably go up in smoke (literally), but giving you the knowledge that Aristo quietly bought 1,000 replacement motors that you can have for free.
But you are also forwarned that the wheel plating will come off really quickly.
So, instead of just buying something that looks good on a web site, you can make an informed decision.
Another example: the slipping wheel trauma that has been consistently denied. Knowing that up front should cause you to check over your loco about every 15 minutes when new.
Being forewarned about this will likely let you detect and fix the problem rather than completely destroy your drive train and make you disassemble your Mallet to return it for service.
Another example:
If you had bought a Dash 9 early this year, you would have been forewarned that the main board was defective and that a Revo or any other decoder would not work correctly and could be damaged by installing it.
Being forwarned let you make the decision if you still wanted to buy it, and to avoid damaging any of your other equipment, for example destroying a Revo decoder that cannot be replaced at the moment.
Want more examples?
Read my site… I only gave the Aristo ones, but they exist for ALL manufacturers. The only difference is the other manufacturers handle this kind of information without blanket denial.
This is what things are really about, and it always get’s turned to “bashing”, name calling, etc. by the “faithful”.
Blind allegiance is not good for anyone, unless you are a multimillionaire and don’t care about the rest of us who need to be informed about spending our money.
Greg
This is all really old info guys…lets just get back to playing with our trains and having fun. You only live once.
This years production of the Dash 9 is old info?
Answering a question asked earlier…
Greg Elmassian said:
Examples of protection:
Knowing that if you bought the first run of GP40’s that your motors will probably go up in smoke (literally), but giving you the knowledge that Aristo quietly bought 1,000 replacement motors that you can have for free.
But you are also forwarned that the wheel plating will come off really quickly.
So, instead of just buying something that looks good on a web site, you can make an informed decision.
Another example: the slipping wheel trauma that has been consistently denied. Knowing that up front should cause you to check over your loco about every 15 minutes when new.
Being forewarned about this will likely let you detect and fix the problem rather than completely destroy your drive train and make you disassemble your Mallet to return it for service.
Another example:
If you had bought a Dash 9 early this year, you would have been forewarned that the main board was defective and that a Revo or any other decoder would not work correctly and could be damaged by installing it.
Being forwarned let you make the decision if you still wanted to buy it, and to avoid damaging any of your other equipment, for example destroying a Revo decoder that cannot be replaced at the moment.
Want more examples?
Read my site… I only gave the Aristo ones, but they exist for ALL manufacturers. The only difference is the other manufacturers handle this kind of information without blanket denial.
This is what things are really about, and it always get’s turned to “bashing”, name calling, etc. by the “faithful”.
Blind allegiance is not good for anyone, unless you are a multimillionaire and don’t care about the rest of us who need to be informed about spending our money.
Greg
Randy McDonald said:
This is all really old info guys…lets just get back to playing with our trains and having fun. You only live once.
Yeah, short attention span. Old info is what, three hours?
Current.
I’ll repeat an old story, abbreviated.
One of the goals of reporting issues (and often fixes) is not to bash, denigrate, or any of that.
It’s to get the manufacturer on board to get the issues fixed, to educate the manufacturer so it won’t happen again.
Ancillary to that is to educate the consumer, so if the issue is a problem, they know what to do.
A whole lot of consumers either don’t listen or screw the blinders down so tight their eyes bug out.
Do you know how often the old Shay truck issue came up from folks who had bought them new but ignored the warnings?
The “recall”, where Bachmann would replace 8 screw with 6 screw for free was YEARS past by that point.
You have any idea how many times I’ve been accused of bashing? Folks who purposefully modified messages and sent them off to manufacturers to create issues?
One of the guys on this forum had that issue, he still isn’t happy about it.
NOBODY wants AC to go away.
All anyone did was try to get them to see the issues and work to fix them, not “that has never happened to anyone before”, and the forums are full of folks with that issue.
If you don’t want to hear it, don’t want to read it…don’t.
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Dave,
alas, it is pointless attempting to have a discussion with the three wise monkeys. A case of hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil.
When they have the inevitable problem with their trains where do they run to? New Joisey, Philly? No they come here to get the fix on their issue and then accuse you of bashing when you report an issue. Maybe in future tell them to ask Stan or Lewis and see how far they get. But then that is all old news now so it does not matter. I might take up a new hobby, maybe ponies or cuddly puppies. At least the excreta they extract can be called crap or other terms, unlike the ‘words of wisdom’ some express here.
It is pointless. I did this job for a long, long time. Thought we were getting somewhere, until somebody decided they could do a better job.
I have never been able to figure out the attitude.
Photographic evidence, quoting the Gentleman hisself, facts in evidence…and it’s “bashing”.
I wish them well.
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