Thanks, Bob. That does help.
Anyone have any prototype pictures of a roof? Most of the pictures I have don’t show any seams… 
And that’s why I have a DIAL caliper… 
Remind me at York when I’m wandering the tool guy’s aisle. 
This shows some seams of some sort
http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Passenger/DS-02-001_en.htm
and the car on the right here, does, too
http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Passenger/CRRM-00-083_en.htm
Actually, most of them do
http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Passenger/Voiture_en.htm
I chose 1/2" strips for the ends, and 1" for the wider ones. Seems to look close enough.
Well, I’ve had some very interesting discussions on roofs. I’ve also been researching on the web, as well as using my own reference “The American Railroad Passenger Car” by John H. White, Jr. It’s a great resource that also shows up as a Google book. "The vast majority of 19th and early 20th Century rail passenger cars had a canvas roof supported by a wooden deck. " But there were cars that had a metal roof covering over wood using Terne metal. I also suspect that some cars may have had metal covering later, after the canvas roof wore out. Here’s a shot of the roof of the ET&WNC Combine #15. Looks very smooth. I suspect canvas…
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/ETWNC_15s.jpg)
Yet, when we visited it at Spencer, it seemed that a metal roof was in place.
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/Combo_15/IMG_4155.JPG)
A shot of the EBT combine shows seams…
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/EBT_14s.jpg)
But, I’m not sure that it’s a metal roof. And, if you’re into genuine metal roofs, you can get lots of seams…
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N1oHh4k9rR4/T82UVdrtE6I/AAAAAAAAAlQ/SGGjiLYT4_U/s400/_DSC2296.JPG)
Lots of good pictures of a metal roof on wood, with seams here: http://trainmuseum.blogspot.com/2012/06/terne-over-new-roof.html
So, I suspect that canvas was used by those railroads that could not afford terne coated metal roofs. Some that started with canvas later could afford the terne roofs.
Interesting.
I use the foil duct tape (the stuff Bob references above) on my coach roofs (rooves?) There are some pics of the recent caboose I did in the ‘Weathering caboose 26’ thread http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?id=17806
(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/petert/_forumfiles/weathering-essay-8-02.jpg)
This is combine 29 - the foil was applied across the roof from side to side (with breaks for the clerestory, of course.)
Hello All
I have posted some pictures of the prototype cuts of the Hale and Kilburn style seats for the coach along with some RPO interior fittings.
http://www.thegalline.com/Page17.html
regards
Alan
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NICE!
Quote:Nice stuff, Alan. I could have used that office chair for my EBT Business car - Bruce probably feels the same about his!
seats for the coach along with some RPO interior fittings.
(P.S. Your Home page link doesn’t work on that page!)
Started the top roof piece. It’s best to put it on before the side pieces, so there’s room to clamp. Having lots of clamps is a very good idea.
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/IMG_0653.JPG)
I started by clamping the roof and putting glue on the inside - I’ll do the outside edges later after this dries. The weights help to force the carlines against the roof skin.
Quote:I recognise that middle one. Old Bachmann ten-wheeler weights are very useful - I have 2 on the shelf over the work area!
The weights
Once that dried, I turned it over, and clamped a long piece of wood to the top - and then glued the edges together. This helps keep the roof straight and gives a nice finish to the edge. Next up was gluing the slotted letter board to the carlines. It’s important to get this so it doesn’t bow out or in, but will set straight down on the car. At first I tried gluing in in place on the car, but this was the wrong way to go, as the glue is so liquid it goes where you don’t want it to. Then I hit on the idea of an assembly aid. I cut four lengths of wood the exact width of the car and clamped these pieces in between the slotted letter boards. (There is a letter board skin that will cover this.) I then used my small metal clamps to hold the carlines to the letter board. Now the letter board is held at the right angle. A long piece of wood helps keep everything straight.
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/IMG_0658.JPG)
The end pieces are pre-painted. Before I glue them in place, I’ll taper the edges to match the taper of the end. It’s just a slight bulge, so not much filing will be needed.
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/IMG_0657.JPG)
Applied my decals today. The “skin” for the sides, as well as the letterboard. Once I clear coat these, I’ll glue them in place.
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/IMG_0661.JPG)
This is going to be a beautiful car when done. Love the color.
Thanks. I love the color as well, but I’m really starting to hate Krylon. I let parts dry for more than two days, spray another coat and I get crazing.
And the roof is getting there…
(http://www.jbrr.com/Pics/RollingStock/PassengerCars/CoachProject/IMG_0662.JPG)
Tape helps to hold the edges in place while the glue dries. When you are gluing the clerestory in place, it’s very important to get it close to the slots in the carlines. These slots will hold the edge of the lower roof in place and you want the clerestory piece to be right up against the roof.
No windows in the clerestory, or are they masked off?
Nope, I plated them over. According to Doug it was fairly common practice as the windows were a source of leaks, and just a maintenance nightmare.
It’s also interesting reading about these roofs - they were not very strong since the arch didn’t go through the roof, but was interrupted by the clerestory itself.
Bob
The project cut has window cut outs and window frames. Bruce opted to plate over them.
Alan
Liking it…I did not know that about the windows but it makes sense. Love the way this car is looking!
Mark V said:Yes, it's not enough to just plate the windows. I'll be adding some ventilators along the roof as well.
Liking it...I did not know that about the windows but it makes sense. Love the way this car is looking!