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#181

I wasn’t surprised to see that there are quality issues coming out of Hungary. I woorked for a major electronics manufacturer and when we moved production of our product line to another facility in the US there were quality issues for the first 6 months or so. It also took longer than that to get production capacity up. We never did not make any of our oproducts though, nor did we not ship to any of our markets. As for the LGBoA/MArklin issue I am not surprised that there isn’t a contract in place. Then again if you aren’t shipping product to a country or region why sign a distributor. My issue with Marklin is more or less abandoning the North American market for another year.
I might not have multiple Logins but as a Gemini there are two of us or are there! :slight_smile:

LAO

#182

Larry,

Moving the mfg location is one thing, starting a complete, newly acquired product line is another. I wouldn’t want to be the QC or production mgr responsible for LGB production at Györ right now. :wink: :slight_smile: Major headaches 'til they have things sorted, but from what I hear … they are really working on it.

#183

Bachmann has been manufacturing model trains for a generation and they still cannot get QC under control. I am prepared to give Gyor a chance to get things right, but then I will not be purchasing anything from them in the forseeable future. One cannot be too careful in these matters. Beta products always come back to bite. The tooling is ex-LGB, but the unknown factor is the dedication/experience of the workforce - I do not see any family bonding/loyalty for some time to come, if ever.

#184

HJ,
The move I was involved in meant sending all machinery and parts to another state about 1000 miles away and restarting the line with only a few people sent down to help set it up for the first couple of weeks. The people involved in the production line in Massachusetts were laid off or moved to another part of the plant. Not too much different then what happened with LGB/Marklin. So as I said I know what they are going through.
LAO

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Larry,

Moving the mfg location is one thing, starting a complete, newly acquired product line is another. I wouldn’t want to be the QC or production mgr responsible for LGB production at Györ right now. :wink: :slight_smile: Major headaches 'til they have things sorted, but from what I hear … they are really working on it.

#185

Larry,

There’s one more complication in the Györ case, language! They don’t necessarily have things translated like it happens here on LSC. :wink: :lol: Now let us suppose that the machinery was shipped with the manuals, that would still be a challenge if both the machinery and the manuals were “a bit foreign”.
In my previous life I landed many a nice job getting things to run when the manuals, the schematics and all diagrams were in “WTFIT?”. Gets even trickier when the “stuff” is dated. OTOH Märklin left “all the most valuable dinosaurs” at Saganer Strasse, it could have been worse!

#186
Ralph Berg said:
Bruce Hutter said:
Quite frankly, I dont trust PJ worth a dam.

Take a look at this link:
http://www.unclemikesrocketshack.com/Deadbeats/Pius_Job.html

What a cheap POS.

-Bruce


I don’t like to jump to conclusions with out hearing from both parties.
All I can say for sure is that this guy has a pretty intense hard on for PJ.
I wouldn’t want to to business with anybody that takes a disagreement to this extreme.
Ralph

Hi Ralph,
sorry for the delay with my response, i was in Wyoming for a few days. you are right, we always should hear the other side before we jump to conclusions. i am a person which beliefs that everyone has the right for his own opinion, but it does not mean for me that we have the right to insult others, using foul language.

here we go,

  • i confirm that i had a argument over a purchase I had from mikes rocket shop.
  • so far i have 300 positive feedbacks in E-bay, the only two negative feedback are from Mike’s rocket shop and Old man Richard
  • Old man Richard and mike’s rocket shop are the same person.
  • interesting to observe that old man Richard buys always from mikes rocket shop, why,take a wild guess and i am sure you find the right answer.
  • if someone calls others jackass, adolf hittler, or nazi, i guess it should be clear that such foul language says a lot about a person. (you never here me using such foul Language)
  • it seams that Onkle mike is using frequently such nasty postings to resolve his problems, i am not the only person he insults this way.
  • If someone really likes to know what kind of a person i am, he should also read a portion of the positive feedback i have. usually it says that i am a quick paying member, that for expensive tools.

if you are fare and read a bit more in my feedback, i am sure you get the right picture, that is the reason why i do not worry to much about mikes illeal posting in his webpage.

think global Pius

#187

PJ,
if you are such a lovable, wonderful person then why the personas ‘PJ’ and ‘pius’. Nothing to hide? Why is it that Uncle Mike has a thing for you? Feedback, particularly as a seller can be highly manipulated. Yes, as a buyer you are at the mercy of a seller, due retaliatory feedback. However, feedback extortion is another matter and contravenes eBay’s rules. Where there is smoke there is always fire!

#188

Oh pius one. now let me see this scenario. On February 4th, 2006 ‘oldmanrichard’ buys something from you. You check his feedback and see that he deals almost exclusively with mikesrockets and believe that he is a shill bidder for mike’s rockets. You received a negative feedback from mike’s rockets on January 28, 2006 as you were not happy with the product received. Is it a coincidence that the money paid by oldmanrichard mysteriously went astray or is it payback time for mike’s rockets? Something not very pius is afoot here. I do not think that all the truth is being told.

Seven days after you get negative feedback, a buyer, somehow linked to mikesrockets, buys from you. The buyer, 90 days later, is still awaiting his goods and says that he paid with a money order. You post him negative feedback. Coincidence??? Was it payback time for you receiving your only negative feedback as a buyer??? How come your ‘replacement’ eBay name was deregistered before you even supposedly made a purchase - too many unpaid bids - three strikes you are out is eBay’s policy.

You came out of the woodwork to criticise LGBoA and got stung. Time to crawl back into the woodwork. You are not as pius as you want us to believe.

#189
Tim Brien said:
Oh pius one. now let me see this scenario. On February 4th, 2006 'oldmanrichard' buys something from you. You check his feedback and see that he deals almost exclusively with mikesrockets and believe that he is a shill bidder for mike's rockets. You received a negative feedback from mike's rockets on January 28, 2006 as you were not happy with the product received. Is it a coincidence that the money paid by oldmanrichard mysteriously went astray or is it payback time for mike's rockets? Something not very pius is afoot here. I do not think that all the truth is being told.

Seven days after you get negative feedback, a buyer, somehow linked to mikesrockets, buys from you. The buyer, 90 days later, is still awaiting his goods and says that he paid with a money order. You post him negative feedback. Coincidence??? Was it payback time for you receiving your only negative feedback as a buyer??? How come your ‘replacement’ eBay name was deregistered before you even supposedly made a purchase - too many unpaid bids - three strikes you are out is eBay’s policy.

You came out of the woodwork to criticise LGBoA and got stung. Time to crawl back into the woodwork. You are not as pius as you want us to believe.


uh my goodness Tim,
i see you are quite confused with the dates and sequence of things. in addition i do not see the point why you try so hard to make me look bad. i believe that Mikes webpage talks for itself, and for another fact, i do not have any equal webpage. if you love to believe what mike writes in his webpage, go for it. i am sure that i could go on, arguing with you and putting things right, but i see no point when I have 298 positive comments in Ebay and have had this one problem with one vendor that I received poor merchandise from and I’m not the only customer that he has tried to burn on his web page. I just wonder what mikes webpage has to do with my comment on LGBoa.

in addition i am still confused why my initials make for some of you such trouble. I registered in 2007 here in this forum using my real initials PJ. i used this initials because my family and friends call me PJ. Hans Joerg has known me for years, we talked often in a German forum. Since HJ has known me for a while, he started to call me by my first name Pius, and later on he even mentioned my family name, so what is the problem?

You wrote: “You came out of the woodwork to criticize LGBoA and got stung”. It look like you know better when i am stung, i do not see it the same way. I still believe that i am right about what i wrote about LGBoa. Nothing personal, but i still belief that LGBoa is the reason why we do not get any full service or new LGB parts. If you’d like to prove to me that i am wrong with that statement, i would be more then happy to learn that i am wrong.

think global pius

#190

I…note…capitol “I”. It is not beyond most peoples’ mental strengths to push the caps botton…

#191

Pius,
I do not care what the web page stated as I used it only to check your eBay profile name. I would not have done so only that you requested that members read ‘part’ of your feedback to ascertain your credibility. In so far as dates getting confused, then I took the dates straight from eBay’s profile of your current ebay name ‘ch-job’. Are you saying eBay has also got it all mixed up. You purchased from mike’s rockets and were not happy with the product and received a negative feedback (your one and only as a buyer) from Mike’s on January 28, 2006. On Feb 4th 2006, a purchase was made by oldmanrichard. You discovered a connection with Mike’s rockets and for some reason the payment to you from oldmanrichard went astray. You posted negative feedback on him and he reported that 90 days after payment sent you had still not sent the goods purchased. If I am confused then point out the point of confusion. Either way, all is not right and the coincidence of you receiving a negative feedback and the buyer connected to the original seller posting that negative feedback, not receiving his goods is simply too implausible. As we say - “Pull the other leg.”

As a further point, I can understand the ire that a single negative feedback does pose. With over 2500 positive feedbacks as both a buyer and seller, I have only one negative which was a retaliatory feedback from a poorly performing seller. He mailed me a new LGB mogul wrapped in brown paper only, with no protective outer packaging. The loco suffered numerous cosmetically damaged items as a result of the poor packaging. I emailed him and asked him to request LGBoA supply the parts to him and I would refund him for any parts cost and postage expenses incurred. In effect, I was compensating him for his inadequacies as a seller. This dragged on for several weeks with him initially saying he was not bothered until eventually saying he would assist. As expected he failed to provide any assistance and I, as a final resort, posted negative feedback on him for inadequate packaging. He responded with an immediate retaliatory feedback warning sellers to keep clear of me and have no dealings with me. At the time, I was one of the largest, in volume, of purchases of LGB on eBay. Like you, a single negative feedback does irritate as in my case, I did nothing wrong. However, you compounded your negative by taking the law into your own hands and failed to deliver on goods purchased by a buyer. In effect you are no different from the seller that posted feedback on you.

#192

Fred,
for some reason when typing, I am always too fast for the ‘shift’ key to register a capital (upper case) letter. I find that I am constantly going back over what I have typed to proof read. Often I do miss the occasional lower case error. I can understand why Pius has not used upper case as is grammatically correct, as like me, he may also be too quick for the shift key to register the upper case intention on the letter key pressed.

#193

Tim,

Are you saying that you put your fingers in motion before your brain is fully engaged? :smiley: :lol: :smiley:

#194

Steve,
simply that the keyboard is too slow for my mental speed.

#195
Tim Brien said:
Steve, simply that the keyboard is too slow for my mental speed.
I see. Good comeback. :D
#196
PJ said:
...i still belief that LGBoa is the reason why we do not get any full service or new LGB parts.
Um, you're not getting LGB service or parts anymore because LGB no longer exists. It went bankrupt, remember? The assets now belong to Marklin. Even if LGBoA _wanted_ to provide service for Marklin's products, there is no way they could do so without parts, and Marklin has chosen not to make those parts available (at least, not through LGBoA).

That’s how I see the situation. Please correct me if I have misunderstood something.

#197

Ray.
I don’t think you are missing anything.

You still need to wait until the WHOLE story has unfolded.

Then you will be privvy to why the shenanigans are still going on.

Slowly, oh so slowly do the wheels of the law grind on. But grind on they do.

#198

“Curiouser and curiouser,” said Alice, as she looked through the glass, darkly.

#199
Ray Dunakin said:
PJ said:
...i still belief that LGBoa is the reason why we do not get any full service or new LGB parts.
Um, you're not getting LGB service or parts anymore because LGB no longer exists. It went bankrupt, remember? The assets now belong to Marklin. Even if LGBoA _wanted_ to provide service for Marklin's products, there is no way they could do so without parts, and Marklin has chosen not to make those parts available (at least, not through LGBoA).

That’s how I see the situation. Please correct me if I have misunderstood something.


Hi Ray,
Partially you are right, LGB Germany went bankrupt and got bought by Maerklin. But LGB Germany still exists, Maerklin/LGB just started to sell new products in Europe. In a German forum there is right now a big discussion about the new LGB/Maerklin items which are now available. Everything is the same with the exception that the name “Lehman” was removed on all items.

It is a fact that Maerklin and LGB-of-America have not a deal as of today, and i am sure you can image why it is so. And i am sure you can image that Maerklin is not doing business with LGB-of-America, because Maerklin is not interested to support LGB-of-America, to strengthen their position. I could image that Maerklin would love to see LGBoa going bankrupt, it is easier to buy a firm who has no money left . Be sure Maerklin would love to get back in the huge American market, but since LGB-of-America has the sole right to import and distribute any LGB items, it is not possible for Maerklin to do so. Mean while we are left with out any support, and prices go constant up, and all the American large scale fan have to pay the price.

You can turn it and look at it as you like, the fact still remains that LGB-of-America is the main road block, is the reason why we sit without any new LGB parts.
It would be worth a whole new discussion to learn again how LGB-of-America acquired the distribution rights, just shortly before LGB Germany went down. Legaly it might was correct, but judging with your heart, you might see it different. here again you can turn it and look at it how ever you like, if LGBoa is receiving any money from Maerklin, we all the end user have to pay it in the long run.
Another interesting topic would be to learn why LGB-of-America is not sold as of today, surely not because they asking for a to low price.
Another great discussion would be to learn more about the real reason why LGBoa changed the name to Silvergate, because from a business point of view it makes zero sense. I guess now some folks could stop any inquiries by replaying that LGB-of-America is not longer present.
For my self, the whole situation just gives me a bad taste, i know it is just business and politics as usual. To many different parties are involved, to many different interests are present, and everyone tries to make as much money as possible. To bad that folks always try to make money instead of earning money. And what i dislike most is that meanwhile we as the customers have to deal with steady increasing prices.

I know that with my posting, i expose my self a bit. There are still a bunch of blind LGB-of-America followers, folks which are blind in love with LGBoa.

think global PJ

#200
PJ said:
Ray Dunakin said:
PJ said:
...i still belief that LGBoa is the reason why we do not get any full service or new LGB parts.
Um, you're not getting LGB service or parts anymore because LGB no longer exists. It went bankrupt, remember? The assets now belong to Marklin. Even if LGBoA _wanted_ to provide service for Marklin's products, there is no way they could do so without parts, and Marklin has chosen not to make those parts available (at least, not through LGBoA).

That’s how I see the situation. Please correct me if I have misunderstood something.


Hi Ray,
Partially you are right, LGB Germany went bankrupt and got bought by Maerklin. But LGB Germany still exists, Maerklin/LGB just started to sell new products in Europe. In a German forum there is right now a big discussion about the new LGB/Maerklin items which are now available. Everything is the same with the exception that the name “Lehman” was removed on all items.

It is a fact that Maerklin and LGB-of-America have not a deal as of today, and i am sure you can image why it is so. And i am sure you can image that Maerklin is not doing business with LGB-of-America, because Maerklin is not interested to support LGB-of-America, to strengthen their position. I could image that Maerklin would love to see LGBoa going bankrupt, it is easier to buy a firm who has no money left . Be sure Maerklin would love to get back in the huge American market, but since LGB-of-America has the sole right to import and distribute any LGB items, it is not possible for Maerklin to do so. Mean while we are left with out any support, and prices go constant up, and all the American large scale fan have to pay the price.

You can turn it and look at it as you like, the fact still remains that LGB-of-America is the main road block, is the reason why we sit without any new LGB parts.
It would be worth a whole new discussion to learn again how LGB-of-America acquired the distribution rights, just shortly before LGB Germany went down. Legaly it might was correct, but judging with your heart, you might see it different. here again you can turn it and look at it how ever you like, if LGBoa is receiving any money from Maerklin, we all the end user have to pay it in the long run.
Another interesting topic would be to learn why LGB-of-America is not sold as of today, surely not because they asking for a to low price.
Another great discussion would be to learn more about the real reason why LGBoa changed the name to Silvergate, because from a business point of view it makes zero sense. I guess now some folks could stop any inquiries by replaying that LGB-of-America is not longer present.
For my self, the whole situation just gives me a bad taste, i know it is just business and politics as usual. To many different parties are involved, to many different interests are present, and everyone tries to make as much money as possible. To bad that folks always try to make money instead of earning money. And what i dislike most is that meanwhile we as the customers have to deal with steady increasing prices.

I know that with my posting, i expose my self a bit. There are still a bunch of blind LGB-of-America followers, folks which are blind in love with LGBoa.

think global PJ


It’s your opinion and your welcome to it- but that doesn’t make it the truth!
There are always 2 sides to every negotiation. Blind loyalty can go both ways as does blind hatred.