Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Victor Smith said:
.....................HJ when do we get the full skinny on this article about the “whole enchilada” ???
Vic,The article is being FAXed to me, with a bit of luck today. That should give the “Ventilators” time to get up to half speed.
Victor Smith said:Steve Featherkile said:Somehow I think if "Puny Man" set off all those nukes we got all over the world, we'd do a pretty good goddam job to upset things...
It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God's creation.…just remember, “Puny Man” created the Dust Bowl, I think that was a pretty good job at an upset, no nukes needed there, just bad land managment, poor farming practices, a stubborn resistance to changing farming technics, and a fundimental misunderstanding of the regions ecology. The drought was only one part, there have been drought since, but now they now how to work with the land, not against it.
HJ when do we get the full skinny on this article about the “whole enchilada” ???
OK, you might have me on the nukes, though the jury is still out on that one too. Has anyone actually done a live test yet with all of those nukes? Nope. It is just like in medicine. We are only guessing about the effects of medicines on children. No one is brave enough (or stupid enough) to actually do the test. Still, cow farts and car farts do not somehow equal that level of danger.
Now, Mexican food, on the other hand… I’ve had Montezuma’s Revenge before. Devastating. 
TonyWalsham said:Steve Featherkile said:
Tony, don't put words in my mouth. I don't think I've ever said that the earth is not warming, I just do not think that we are in any way capable of contributing significantly to it.The earth has been warming since it came out of the last ice age, and more recently, the mini ice age that lasted from the middle ages of the 1300’s or so the the mid 1800’s.
It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God’s creation.
Steve I am not putting words in your mouth.You did say this Aug 10th:
Steve Featherkile said:
Yessir, global warming is upon us.Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines that were supposed to happen? Hmmmmmmm?
Global warming, my a$$!
Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.
Maybe you were having a “bit each way” but that comment looks like a pretty clear cut denial by you that Global Warming is happening.I am not disputing the Earth has been warming since the times you say. I don’t even need to claim man did and continues to cause it. The Bush administration is saying that. As evidenced by the interview last night with James Connaughton.
Or are you saying he was lying?So, the question is:
Who is right? You or the Bush administration?
I don’t think I will get involved trying to answer your attempt to change the subject by bringing God into it.
Steve Featherkile said:I've always believed Johnny Cash's "Burning Ring of Fire" was really about just such an event :O ;) :D
Now, Mexican food, on the other hand... I've had Montezuma's Revenge before. Devastating. :D
Steve Featherkile said:Just a reminder Steve.
Tony, you spoke of irony before, on a different thread, but you cannot recognize it when it hits you in the face with a 2 X 4. For those of you in Oz that use the metric system, that is a stick of wood, 1.75 inches by 3.5 inches by indeterminant length. :lol: I just wanted to clear things up a bit. :P
You did say this Aug 10th:
Steve Featherkile said:
Yessir, global warming is upon us.Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines that were supposed to happen? Hmmmmmmm?
Global warming, my a$$!
Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.
Are they both ironic? If so they cancel each other out.
Or, assuming the first is ironic and the second is not, that makes the second, “Global Warming my a$$”, your true position. In other words you don’t believe it and you are at odds with the Bush administration.
If on the other hand the second is the ironic statement, that makes the first, “Yessir, global warming is upon us”, your true position and you do agree with the Bush adminsitration making all your postings earlier in this thread debunking the Global warming theory, BS.
I repeat, that looks like an each way bet to me.
So, let us assume you do believe Global Warming is reality but you don’t believe mankind has and is causing it.
That still puts you at odds with the Bush administration, as James Connaughton says that the Bush administration now accepts that Global Warming is not only a reality but has been and is being caused by mankind.
Nowadays the only debate is what to do about it.
BTW there is a pretty big “her-i-caine” threatening the Gulf area right now.
TonyWalsham said:Nope, that was a "him-i-caine." :lol:
BTW there is a pretty big "her-i-caine" threatening the Gulf area right now.
The devil made me do it.
Steve Featherkile said:
Well, I will finally admit that global warming is here.In one of the hottest corners of the state, in the middle of August, it got all the way up to 76 F today, and will get down to 36 F tonight.
Yessir, global warming is upon us.
Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines
Global warming, my a$$!
Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.
Watch out, that 2 X 4 of irony is comin’ atcha.
Oh, yeah, in case there is any question, Dean is a “him-i-caine.”
The other best way to prevaricate is to tell the truth, but to tell it in a way such that no one will believe you.
I’ve been at odds with the Bush Administration before, they ain’t getting no cherry here.
Cheers,
madwolf
Steve Featherkile said:Steve Featherkile said:
Well, I will finally admit that global warming is here.In one of the hottest corners of the state, in the middle of August, it got all the way up to 76 F today, and will get down to 36 F tonight.
Yessir, global warming is upon us.
Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines
Global warming, my a$$!
Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.
Tony, one of the two best ways to lie is to tell the truth, just not all of it. The above is all of the post in question.Watch out, that 2 X 4 of irony is comin’ atcha.
Oh, yeah, in case there is any question, Dean is a “him-i-caine.”
The other best way to tell a lie is to tell the truth, but to tell it in a way such that no one will believe you.
I’ve been at odds with the Bush Administration before, they ain’t getting no cherry here.
Cheers,
madwolf
OK. SO I accept you really do agree that Global warming is definitely occurring.
That still leaves you at odds with the Bush administration as to the cause.
You deny it is caused by mankind and they say it is.
The question I posed still remains.
Do you agree with the Bush administration, or, do you disagree with the Bush administration, as to the cause?
I look forward to a reply that is not an each way bet.
If we can get a straight answer from you, I would be delighted to debate what to do about Global Warming.
BTW. Based on the statements made by James Connaughton in the interview I referred to where he outlines what the Bush administration is proposing to do about Global warming, I am supportive of the measures that are so proposed.
The likelihood that Bush is going to do anything is slim to none. He’s the lamest duck of lame duck presidents we’ve ever had. His whole staff is walking out on him. His top advisers have quit. Congress mocks him. Essentially nothing will be accomplished that matters for the next 1 1/2 years. That’s just the way our government works…
Warren Mumpower said:Warren, I can only go by what the official representative said the Bush administration will do in the interview I referred to. I make no comment as to whether or not they will do anything.
The likelihood that Bush is going to do anything is slim to none. He's the lamest duck of lame duck presidents we've ever had. His whole staff is walking out on him. His top advisers have quit. Congress mocks him. Essentially nothing will be accomplished that matters for the next 1 1/2 years. That's just the way our government works...:(
Steve Featherkile said:Steve Featherkile said:
Well, I will finally admit that global warming is here.In one of the hottest corners of the state, in the middle of August, it got all the way up to 76 F today, and will get down to 36 F tonight.
Yessir, global warming is upon us.
Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines
Global warming, my a$$!
Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.
Tony, one of the two best ways to prevaricate is to tell the truth, just not all of it. The above is all of the post in question.Watch out, that 2 X 4 of irony is comin’ atcha.
Oh, yeah, in case there is any question, Dean is a “him-i-caine.”
The other best way to prevaricate is to tell the truth, but to tell it in a way such that no one will believe you.
I’ve been at odds with the Bush Administration before, they ain’t getting no cherry here.
Cheers,
madwolf
I will spell it out, and go slowly so even you can follow along.
Yes, there is some global warming. There has been a whole degree C of global warming in the last 150 years. You can look it up.
We are coming out of an ice age. Things get warmer when that happens.
Since 1850 or so, we have been coming out of a mini-Ice Age that started about 1300 or so. Things get warmer when that happens, also.
There is increased sun activity. The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. The Martians cannot even spell SUV.
1936 was the warmest year on record.
1960 - 1980, the North Pacific and North Atlantic was much colder than it is now, and the tropics were much warmer than they are now. Things were cooler in the North America and Europe as a result.
Now, the reverse is true. The Tropics are cooler now than they were in the 60’s - 80’s and the NORPAC and NORLANT are warmer now than they were in the same period. That makes North America and Europe warmer.
The Earth’s climate is cyclical. That means that things like the temperature go up and down, just like a yo-yo. The Snows of Kilimanjaro have been melting for the last 150 years, not the last 5 as the koolaid drinkers would have you believe.
To reiterate, I’ve been at odds with the Bush administration before.
I have not been inconsistent.
What do we do about global warming? If it bothers you, move to a higher latitude. Otherwise, wait a few years. The inconvenience is that I will probably have to go visit HJ to get any skiing. On the brighter side, perhaps my home here in Deer Park will become beach front property. One can only hope.
Forcing everyone into smaller automobiles that burn less fuel will only increase the slaughter on our highways. This is from a study published by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) this morning and reported on ABC news radio. It seems that these little automobiles do not have the safety features of their bigger cousins. Even a mid-sized auto provides a considerable increase in survivability. My full sized Dodge Ram 3/4 Ton 4 X 4 pickup is a Tiger Tank relative to a Honda Hybrid. I feel extremely safe in it. “I felt a bump, did you notice anything?” “No, I felt nothing.” Looks in rearview mirror. “Oh, Goodness, I think that we just squashed a Honda Hybrid. I wonder where that came from?”
Ignoring Nuclear (pronounced nuc-u-lear where I come from) power and then trying to close down fossil fuel power plants because of emissions will only put us back into a pre-Industrial Revolution economy. Very short sighted. But, then, koolaid drinkers do not seem to have a very long term vision.
The only thing that I might agree with is to shut down the aviation industry and force everybody back onto the rail. Not that this will do anything to help global warming. I really don’t think that old Sol gives a hoot. Still, it will be nice to see a resurgence in rail travel. I’ll see you in the Dome/Lounge.
Another good thing that might come of giving up our addiction to oil will be the ragheads will become a 3rd world country overnight, unable to export their brand of nonsense anymore. That would be a good thing. I’d give up my pickup and go to rail travel for that. A fair trade.
Or, we could say that Saudi Arabia is now a colony of Oz. My friends who served next to Aussies in 'Nam all said that y’all did not allow any foolishness. They were rather graphic. As this is a phamily site, I’ll spare everyone the graphic description. Once you Have stabalized Saudi Arabia, you can move across the rest of the desert.
So, how does that sound? Do we have a plan? I am on the short list for Rudy’s SecState.
madwolf
Nice try Steve.
You still haven’t answered the question.
Which remains:
“Do you agree with the Bush administration, or, do you disagree with the Bush administration, as to the cause?
I look forward to a reply that is not an each way bet.”
Just please give us a straight answer.
Then I would be delighted to debate what to do about Global Warming.
The other waffle, is…well just waffle.
Oh, good Lord, the man must be daft!
Steve Featherkile said:Do I have to shout it too or is your hearing OK?
[b]I've been at odds with the Bush Administration before, they ain't getting no cherry here.[/b]
You can read, can you not? Or are you just being obtuse to be obtuse?
A simple yes or no would suffice.
Without any of the insults.
Then you would be committed to that answer with no chance of wriggling out of it by saying “that is not what I said”.
TonyWalsham said:
A simple yes or no would suffice.Without any of the insults.
Then you would be committed to that answer with no chance of wriggling out of it by saying “that is not what I said”.
Now who is being insulting?
For the record, I think that James whatever his name is, is wrong about global warming, and has misled his boss.
Is that clear enough?
And you, sir, cut and paste (it is called cherry picking) leaving out important phrases that disagree with your point, trying to make your opponent look bad. That is the height of dishonesty. You have been found out.
Hey Steve,
When you sign as “madwolf”
Steve Feeatherkile said:
................Or, we could say that Saudi Arabia is now a colony of Oz. My friends who served next to Aussies in 'Nam all said that y’all did not allow any foolishness. They were rather graphic. As this is a phamily site, I’ll spare everyone the graphic description. Once you Have stabalized Saudi Arabia, you can move across the rest of the desert.
So, how does that sound? Do we have a plan? I am on the short list for Rudy’s SecState.
madwolf
(Sorry that one was too good to pass up!) :lol: :lol:
Steve Featherkile said:TonyWalsham said:
A simple yes or no would suffice.Without any of the insults.
Then you would be committed to that answer with no chance of wriggling out of it by saying “that is not what I said”.
OK then, yes or no.Now who is being insulting?
For the record, I think that James whatever his name is, is wrong about global warming, and has misled his boss.
Is that clear enough?
And you, sir, cut and paste (it is called cherry picking) leaving out important phrases that disagree with your point, trying to make your opponent look bad. That is the height of dishonesty. You have been found out.
Another nice try, but, yes or no is not an answer.
I guess I will have to simplify the question for you.
Do you agree with the Bush administration when they say officially that Global warming has and is being caused by mankind?
Is that clear enough to elicit a straight answer?
For the record, his name is James Connaughton.
Steve joins Bob at the wailing wall…
Me thinks someone is trying to pick the fly sh*t outa the pepper…
Warren I lost interest after about page 3
