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A tale of two houses

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#121

James Connaughton said this last night.

JamesConnaughton said:
TONY JONES: James Connaughton, let me ask a fundamental question. Do you agree with this proposition that I'm about to put - greenhouse gases are accumulating in [the] earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and sub-surface ocean temperatures to rise?

JAMES CONNAUGHTON: That sounds very much like a statement out of the National Academy of Sciences that President Bush commissioned back in 2001. That’s been our long-standing view.

TONY JONES: So you have no doubt, the administration has no doubt, that man-made global warming is actually happening and it’s leading to climate change?

JAMES CONNAUGHTON: This is a point we’ve been making clear for five years. Others try to rephrase what we say, but the President’s been clear on that for some time.


If you don’t know who James Connaughton is perhaps you should read the full transcript of his interview here
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2010357.htm

If you want to watch the interview online go here; http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/ and click on the appropriate button.

It seems the Bush administration agrees that Global Warming is taking place and is indeed caused by the activities of man.

What was that about needing a debate?

#122

Tony,

Remember that long “debate” about the “Now Defunct” not really being bankrupt.

That was just a tiny problem, global warming is a giant problem, so the “debate” will keep on going for quite some time. It’s all proportional, as are the “Ventilators” who move the air furiously in order to keep the fog moving.

#123

Tony,

You said - "It seems the Bush administration agrees that Global Warming is taking place and is indeed caused by the activities of man.

What was that about needing a debate?"

Isn’t that still the same side of the debate? The Government may have some disagreements amongst themselves, but they are stilll the government. And of course they can’t give out grants, take more taxes, or try to control industry and the population, if they don’t have an argument of doom and gloom. If there isn’t a crisis, the government can’t get bigger to safe us from ourselves.

#124
Ric Golding said:
Tony,

You said - "It seems the Bush administration agrees that Global Warming is taking place and is indeed caused by the activities of man.

What was that about needing a debate?"

Isn’t that still the same side of the debate? The Government may have some disagreements amongst themselves, but they are stilll the government. And of course they can’t give out grants, take more taxes, or try to control industry and the population, if they don’t have an argument of doom and gloom. If there isn’t a crisis, the government can’t get bigger to safe us from ourselves.


Hi Ric,
The debate I am referring to is, whether or not Global Warming is actually happening or not and who or what is causing it. That is an International issue.
My comments above were merely the way I see the Bush administration, via their official spokesman, now explaining their point of view on the subject. Which they have apparently held since 2001.

I am not commenting as to whether or not the US Government is too involved, needs to be more involved, needs to be less involved or handing out too many or too few grants.
That is an American domestic policy issue. A subject I do not comment on.
The same as I would not expect you to comment on Australian domestic political issues.

#125

Tony,

Our data is hopelessly corrupted, the weather stations have been built up around & are now in what is called heat islands… This is causing a false increase in temperature, we could be getting colder!! Until they fix the stations, you can not believe any thing they say…

#126
Bob Burton said:
Tony,

Our data is hopelessly corrupted, the weather stations have been built up around & are now in what is called heat islands… This is causing a false increase in temperature, we could be getting colder!! Until they fix the stations, you can not believe any thing they say…


Bob, So are you saying the Bush administration is making it all up?

If so, why?

#127
Bob Burton said:
Tony,

Our data is hopelessly corrupted, the weather stations have been built up around & are now in what is called heat islands… This is causing a false increase in temperature, we could be getting colder!! Until they fix the stations, you can not believe any thing they say…


Bob,

Sure, sure :smiley: and the rest of the world did exactly the same. Every weatherstation is now on a heat island! Oh wait, you could be right they must be if the whole planet is warming up.

Funny though, a lot of the weatherstations in Switzerland are up on the mountains, no suburban sprawl and yet and yet the temperatures are steadily going up, the glaciers in the Alps are receding and on and on.
Not long ago I heard the same about Kilimanjaro - CBC Overnight is as good at 3AM as checking what’s cooking on LSC :wink: - another one of those non-urban areas. That one has the scientists really puzzled!

Of course it could be worse, we could have some nutcracker start a nuclear war and get the resulting nuclear winter with nothing but high doses of radiation to keep us warm. Here is to cooler heads prevailing on both scenarios!! Cheers!

#128

Tony, James Connaughton is nothing more than a Republican administration ventilator. He’s a puppet with a written script. The way our government works is they decide on what the answer is going to be and then tell the scientists to prove it right. Remember what I said earlier about (hidden) agendas. Quite frankly, if it comes from our government or an agency that is supported by our government then the information is suspect until it is verified by an independent source that has no governmental ties through direct taxes, grants or political clout. In the case of global warming, I’m not sure such an independent source exists.

#129
Warren Mumpower said:
Tony, James Connaughton is nothing more than a Republican administration ventilator. He's a puppet with a written script. The way our government works is they decide on what the answer is going to be and then tell the scientists to prove it right. Remember what I said earlier about (hidden) agendas. Quite frankly, if it comes from our government or an agency that is supported by our government then the information is suspect until it is verified by an independent source that has no governmental ties through direct taxes, grants or political clout. In the case of global warming, I'm not sure such an independent source exists.
Warren I don't disagree with you. I am not taking one USA political side or the other.

My point is that as the official spokesman of the Bush administration, he is now saying that yes, Global Warming does exist and we are responsible for it. Furthermore, he claims the Bush administration has been saying that all along. Since 2001 in fact.

Not my words his.

Steve, and others have said they do not agree with this position. They claim Global Warming does not exist. Let alone it, ie Global warming, being caused by the activities of man.

So who is right?

Steve and the others, or, the Bush administration they openly support, which does now say Global Warming is a fact?

Enquiring minds need to know.

#130
TonyWalsham said:
snips, here and there, big and small :D

My point is that as the official spokesman of the Bush administration, he is now saying that yes, Global Warming does exist and we are responsible for it. Furthermore, he claims the Bush administration has been saying that all along. Since 2001 in fact.

Steve, and others have said they do not agree with this position. They claim Global Warming does not exist. Let alone it, ie Global warming, being caused by the activities of man.

Steve and the others, or, the Bush administration they openly support, which does now say Global Warming is a fact?


Tony, don’t put words in my mouth. I don’t think I’ve ever said that the earth is not warming, I just do not think that we are in any way capable of contributing significantly to it.

The earth has been warming since it came out of the last ice age, and more recently, the mini ice age that lasted from the middle ages of the 1300’s or so the the mid 1800’s.

It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God’s creation.

#131
Steve Featherkile said:
Tony, don't put words in my mouth. I don't think I've ever said that the earth is not warming, I just do not think that we are in any way capable of contributing significantly to it.

The earth has been warming since it came out of the last ice age, and more recently, the mini ice age that lasted from the middle ages of the 1300’s or so the the mid 1800’s.

It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God’s creation.


Steve I am not putting words in your mouth.

You did say this Aug 10th:

Steve Featherkile said:
Yessir, global warming is upon us.

Oh, yeah, where are all those her-i-caines that were supposed to happen? Hmmmmmmm?

Global warming, my a$$!

Just another ploy to raise our taxes, doncha know.


Maybe you were having a “bit each way” but that comment looks like a pretty clear cut denial by you that Global Warming is happening.

I am not disputing the Earth has been warming since the times you say. I don’t even need to claim man did and continues to cause it. The Bush administration is saying that. As evidenced by the interview last night with James Connaughton.
Or are you saying he was lying?

So, the question is:

Who is right? You or the Bush administration?

I don’t think I will get involved trying to answer your attempt to change the subject by bringing God into it.

#132
Steve Featherkile said:
SNIP It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God's creation.
Actually I will answer that.

Who was it, if it wasn’t puny mankind, who has progressively destroyed our forests and polluted the atmosphere and our oceans?

After all, aren’t they also Gods creations?

#133

As for Bush lying…well, we’ve caught him in so many lies it’s hard to tell if he’s lying or not. That is the problem. There is no independent source that says yea or nay and can prove it with facts.

#134

Tony,

There may be warming, but I believe that it is a lot less than what is being claimed… In the United States the most warming of the last century took place in the first half of the 1900’s…

Hans-Joerg,

Switzerland, you talk about up in the mountains, but what about the stations in the metro areas??

#135
Bob Burton said:
Tony,

There may be warming, but I believe that it is a lot less than what is being claimed… In the United States the most warming of the last century took place in the first half of the 1900’s…


I think you need to tell that to the Bush administration.

They seem to be pretty well convinced that Global Warming is real and mankind caused it.

#136

Tony, just follow the money trail and you will see what the really believe. :frowning:

#137
Bob Burton said:
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Hans-Joerg,

Switzerland, you talk about up in the mountains, but what about the stations in the metro areas??


Last I heard the Swiss were still capable to differentiate between the locations of their weather stations when reporting on warming trends. :wink: :slight_smile:

I never met a glacier in any of the downtown areas, they’re all up there in the mountains and getting very rapidly smaller. :frowning: :frowning:

But getting back to NA, this whole discussion about the warming reminds me of the debate we used to have about acid rain. How long did that take before NA smartened up??

#138
Steve Featherkile said:
It is extremely arrogant to assert that puny man can do anything to upset God's creation.
Somehow I think if "Puny Man" set off all those nukes we got all over the world, we'd do a pretty good goddam job to upset things...

…just remember, “Puny Man” created the Dust Bowl, I think that was a pretty good job at an upset, no nukes needed there, just bad land managment, poor farming practices, a stubborn resistance to changing farming technics, and a fundimental misunderstanding of the regions ecology. The drought was only one part, there have been drought since, but now they now how to work with the land, not against it.

HJ when do we get the full skinny on this article about the “whole enchilada” ???

#139
Warren Mumpower said:
As for Bush lying.....well, we've caught him in so many lies it's hard to tell if he's lying or not. That is the problem. There is no independent source that says yea or nay and can prove it with facts.
How do you know Bush is lying? His lips are moving. (badda-bing drum shot) ;)
#140
Victor Smith said:
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HJ when do we get the full skinny on this article about the “whole enchilada” ???


Vic,

The article is being FAXed to me, with a bit of luck today. That should give the “Ventilators” time to get up to half speed. :wink: :slight_smile: