Why must you look at me every time you say riff-raff?(http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-embarassed.gif)
Bruce, don’t worry, you are among friends, even if we are “Riff Raff” too…
Great, so now I’m not allowed in the parlor seat area…
then my next question is: ""Why did they charge me extra to sit in the ““Riff-Raft”” section??? HUH??? HUH??? (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
So, where does that term come from???
To trace this one, we have to start in medieval French. There was then a set expression rifle et rafle. These words are from the verbs rifler, to spoil or strip, and raffler, to carry off. The phrase referred to the plundering of the bodies of the dead on the battlefield and the carrying off of the booty.
The French phrase moved into English in the forms rif and raf or riffe and raf, which meant at first every scrap, from which we may guess that medieval plunderers were extremely thorough. It’s known by at least 1338 (it appears in Mannyng’s Chronicle of English of that date). Later it shifted sense through a series of stages, first referring to one and all, or everybody, and then later taking on the idea of the common people, those of no special social standing. The phrase was abbreviated to riff-raff and can be found in Gregory’s Chronicle of London of about 1470. It seems to have taken some decades longer for it to have gone even further downhill and for it to be associated in particular with the dregs of society. It’s likely that the negative associations of common soldiers ransacking the bodies of the dead coloured the expression even after it had shifted its meaning.
We’re familiar with descendants of both of the original old French words in English, by the way. Riffler is the origin of our riffle in the card-shuffling sense, amongst others, and of rifle, for searching hurriedly through possessions for something, or to steal. It also gave rise to the firearms sense, since a rifle takes its name from the spiral grooves cut in the barrel of such a gun to improve its accuracy; this comes from a different sense of the French word, meaning to graze or scratch. And raffler lent its name to a game played with three dice, perhaps because the winner snatched up or carried off the winnings (we’re not quite sure of the connection). In English the game was called raffle, and the word was only much later applied to another form of gambling, a lottery.
And in the early nineteenth century raffish appeared. This adjective originally referred to somebody who was disreputable or vulgar. Only later did it acquire the undertones it now has of a person who is attractively unconventional. This may have come from the second half of riff-raff, or from raff, which had survived by itself in dialect usage in much the same sense of the lowest class of the population.
It was on the web, so it must be true…(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
I didn’t think to ask… what era is this car running in? Would the bar have a sink with running water? Pretty sure I know the answer but thought I would ask anyway.
Andy Clarke said:
Great, so now I’m not allowed in the parlor seat area…
then my next question is: ""Why did they charge me extra to sit in the ““Riff-Raft”” section??? HUH??? HUH??? (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Because you always look so darn grumpy. Maybe if you would crack a smile once in a while…
Actually I did see you smile once, and only once. And your face didn’t break. So I know you can smile.
" Rooster " said:
I didn’t think to ask… what era is this car running in? Would the bar have a sink with running water? Pretty sure I know the answer but thought I would ask anyway.
Most assuredly this bat would have running water and it would have Tiffany wall sconces with tilting bottle holders,and fresh fruit slices in a sterling silver lidded serving dish(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
" Rooster " said:
I didn’t think to ask… what era is this car running in? Would the bar have a sink with running water? Pretty sure I know the answer but thought I would ask anyway.
Most assuredly this bar would have running water and it would have Tiffany wall sconces, and tilting bottle holders,and fresh fruit slices in a sterling silver lidded serving dish(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
" Rooster " said:
Bar top material that I’m gonna try and bookmatch on the corner ^^^^^^^
Ok Bob/Bruce …this is what I would like to do
Ok
Found a different problem. I’m glad you shared the pic of the sides up with me so I’m sharing it here and hoping it’s ok.
Originally I was thinking remove the coach seat, however noting the windows with this picture I see it will not work unless we block a window! Suppose you could put the partition down the center of the window but I don’t think that would look right. So I think you need to remove a parlor seat not a coach seat instead. Removing 2 parlor seats and giving the bar space to a full window would be even better.
I did start milling down walnut to scale today and have more than I thought so it could be a solid walnut bar instead of a mix of woods.
The 3d printed bar that you have according to the pictures you sent me measures 3.25" wide(across the floor) x 2.5" length(down the wall)x 3.75" high (assuming this comes to the top of the wall).
Thinking if you want a bar without blocking windows then eliminate 2 parlor seats and make the bar the size of the window. " IF" that is an option then I would need the window width and also the width between the windows".
This is incredibly difficult to do without the car but I’m still up to it if you are? The other option I see is keep the seats (add another coach seat) and just put a partition wall across the middle with a door to separate the riff raff.
You could also continue on with the original plan with the 3d printed bar you have already.
HOWEVER
I’m really thinking that you could send me that 3d printed out bar and I whore it up and send it back??
Or I could just send you walnut slabs to go on top of that printed bar ?
Thought’s on these option’s BD?
I’m pretty cool whatever you come up with. (Well, not KEEN on you monkeying with the existing one, or even getting some real wood for the existing one.)
YMMV. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
FWIW Bruce, I’ve been in awe. Wow, amazing work.
Cliff Jennings said:
FWIW Bruce, I’ve been in awe. Wow, amazing work.
Cliff,
Tsk, tsk. YOU cannot be in awe after that mine of yours. It’s just NOT right! (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
Materials are cut up and ready for assembly. I’m figuring that the one parlor seat will have to be removed for a walkway no matter which bar you use. With that said I decided to bump the length up to 3.25" and winging the rest hoping for proper fit. Assembling in my normal modeling fashion when using real wood. Most is press fit with just a dab of glue. The press fit works very well and allows for expansion and contraction.
Cool. Although I suspect that wall MAY be just a tad too tall…
But, I’m always questioning my perceptions…
I didn’t say anything about the wall only the module
" Rooster " said:
I didn’t say anything about the wall only the module
Don’t worry, you’re still cool…for a “Rooster”…(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-embarassed.gif)
" Rooster " said:
I didn’t say anything about the wall only the module
Is this car going the way you want? (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
Bruce Chandler said:
" Rooster " said:
I didn’t say anything about the wall only the module
Is this car going the way you want? (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
I didn’t say anything about a car I’m just building a bar.
Bob McCown said:
Thanks. I do like the bar design I came up with, I’d rather not have it split. It is separating the parlor seats from the riff-raff
Trying to stay within those design parameter’s that you prefer as it was an expensive car so why not make it more expensive?