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Will it all fit in that little box?

Well I collected the RC unit. I don’t have much money so I purchased a used RC unit. I might have wasted my money here. Here’s the unit & componits.

All the stuff has to fit in the black box. Well not the transmitter, of coarse you know that. I’m looking at it and thinking No Way is that going to fit… Maybe some help here. I think I bit off more than I know how to chew. One high spot over all of this is the table I’m using is my light table I use for making stained glass patterns. First it’s been this clean for years. Still works to.

Take it all to Steamtown with you the boys will show you what to do

David - That may not have been a great purchase, sorry to say. It looks like a 27MHz system which will give you fits with glitching and finding a way to extend the antennae so that you can get any range will be difficult. The servos are standard full-size servos which doesn’t help.

If you look back I think you will see that we recommended a 2.4 GHz radio system and mini servos. I don’t know what you paid, but it’s possible to get new equipment that will work well for about $100 or so.

So, can you make Lemonade with these lemons ? Possibly.

First, you’ll probably need to settle for a single servo. I don’t know the Forney well enough to know, but Shawn could test his and tell us if it can be controlled with the Johnson bar alone by setting the throttle at about 3/4 open, then slowly move teh Johnson bar to forward or reverse. On some locos this will control speed as well as direction.

Next, you will need to get creative with the battery. Your receiver will operate on 6volts. 2 Lithium Ion cells would provide that in about half the space of the 4 AA batteries. The radio could be mounted on top of the tender and hidden in a fuel load with teh wires run down the water hatch.

The on/off switch could be replaced with a mini from a junk box or Radio Shack.

Last, the antennae will need to be extended. R/C cars use a hollow nylon tube. You can thread the wire through the tube and leave a length trailing out the top. You’ll never get great range, but if you can get 50 foot that would probably be plenty.

I started with a 49MHz radio system in my Shay that was very similar in size to what you show. The install is documented on my website. It didn’t work that well, so when the prices started to come down on 2.4GHz stuff I jumped on it.

Jon he can get away with just the Johnson bar being controled by RC. If he wants both he can have one of the servos in the cab area. ( Front right of the cab) If I rememeber he got everything for $22-25. Now that I know the Forney can be operated with just the Johnson bar I would put the servo ibn the bunker for the johnson bar, the receiver and and Lith batteries on top. That should work fine. Im sure we can get the Ant to work even if its a thin wire wrapped around the outside bottom of bunker or underneath.
Dave bring it Saurday and im sure between jon, myself and my friend Lee we can come up with something.

…Take it too Steamtown Mr.Kapp!
:slight_smile:

I did get some money last week. I should be able to get a better unit. I have bout 120 bucks I can spend.
Do you think someone will be selling the sub mini’s at steamtown?
I gave $20 for the RC, but I don’t think it’s going to work out.
I’ll bring the Forrney with I’ll have some other trains to, not all to sell.
I’ll have my Climax, DC won’t sell that one.
I have a couple engines I can put up on ebay see if I can sell them. I have a GE U25B in NYC livery Astro C and a Batchman Utility 2-6-2 to replace the money I spend on the RC.
If someone has one of those new fangled RC units at Steamtown at a good price You’ll sell at least one to me Saturday.

David. I think your better off going online to order the RC stuff. You will get a better deal. There was only one vendor at steam town. If a remember correctly there were no RC units for sale. Go to the web sites were got mine and Kevin Strong recomended a good site with good deals. I think that will be your best bet.

David,
I will gladly refund your money on the RC unit if U don’t need it or want it. I do not want you to be stuck with it.

Nico

Nico;
I don’t see how I’m going to get it all to fit.
coarse I’m not to smart on radios, maybe not at all.
I’ll have it with Sat. at steamup, maybe I can find a mini radio that Tony posted about.
Or fitting this one.
Thanks Nico your just too kind.
I’m blessed with having so many good friends.
David

Nico Corbo said:
David, I will gladly refund your money on the RC unit if U don't need it or want it. I do not want you to be stuck with it.

Nico

David, (with no disresepect to Nico) that older radios meant for RC Planes and cArs just will not cut it for us. You need modern radio gear (2.4 technology). The recievers are smaller as are the servos. Requiring less energy to run and thus smaller battery packs too. Newer stuff fits easier…of course havign said that I’ve not yet tackled my own Ruby conversion even though I’ve already purchased the required radio gear and accessories.

Chas

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Do you think someone will be selling the sub mini's at steamtown?
David,

The only vendor will be Warrior Run, and while Clem will fit the gear for you, he doesn’t carry the stuff in his ‘portable shop’.

Your equipment isn’t totally unusable. The servos are usable with any radio system, and buying new ones will cost you $10-30 per servo. Those look a bit big for that small loco, but they might fit your next engine?

I get my stuff from Servocity www.servocity.com and I use Hitec HD65HB servos. Others prefer the larger HS81xx types. They give sizes, so you can compare yours with them.

I have the Spektrum DX5e radio, but Tony Walsham at RCS has some ideas about much less expensive versions.

Pete Thornton said:
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Do you think someone will be selling the sub mini's at steamtown?
David,

The only vendor will be Warrior Run, and while Clem will fit the gear for you, he doesn’t carry the stuff in his ‘portable shop’.

Your equipment isn’t totally unusable. The servos are usable with any radio system, and buying new ones will cost you $10-30 per servo. Those look a bit big for that small loco, but they might fit your next engine?

I get my stuff from Servocity www.servocity.com and I use Hitec HD65HB servos. Others prefer the larger HS81xx types. They give sizes, so you can compare yours with them.

I have the Spektrum DX5e radio, but Tony Walsham at RCS has some ideas about much less expensive versions.


I used the Hi tec 65. They seem to fit well in the Forney.

David,
Most of the low cost 2.4 GHz brands are OK.
If you opt for the Planet R/C system I tend to use do not use 6 volts to power the RX. My experience has been it simply will not work as the RX detects an over voltage and shuts down.
Luckily with 2.4 Ghz you do not have to have external antennas. They will work just fine for our purpose inside a metal tender shell.
If 4 x AA size batteries are too big, 4 x AAA size will be just fine. Whilst I much prefer proper battery packs, battery boxes for removable batteries will be OK as the current draw is low. Flat pack holders are readily available for about US$3.
I also stick with Hi-Tec servos. Use the biggest ones with metal gears that will fit. I recommend the HS-85mg for most installations and the HS-65mg where space is at a premium.
It is absolutely vital that the controls have free moving parts as any stiffness will drastically shorten the life of the servos.

Well I think I will put the RC thing on the back burner until I go to the ECLSS in March. See if I can pick up an RC there. Hopefully! Thanks Toni for the info, Hi-Tec HS-65mg or HS-85mg servos. I don’t plan on running the Loco before that. That gives me time to work on making the train up. here are 3 cars I have been repairing and changing to loop and pin couplers

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/paps101line/_forumfiles/LCrepair1.jpg)

Here are the cars with loop and pin installed.

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David Kapp said:
Well I think I will put the RC thing on the back burner until I go to the ECLSS in March. See if I can pick up an RC there. Hopefully!
I don't think you will find any R/C dealers there either!

If you are coming from the south, there’s an R/C/ shop in Crofton, MD on Rte 3, who has all the goodies and will help. GPA Hobbies.

Pete Thornton said:
I don't think you will find any R/C dealers there either!
I've always wondered why that was. Seems like a well stocked R/C dealer could do well. Ralph
Ralph Berg said:
Pete Thornton said:
I don't think you will find any R/C dealers there either!
I've always wondered why that was. Seems like a well stocked R/C dealer could do well. Ralph
Depending on what kind of R/C you mean. Cordless Renovations is usually there as is Don Sweet. Nobody I know of selling servos and stick radios though. When I bought mine I shopped the local hobby store. He was $175 for what I could buy at Tower Hobbies for $100. I like to support my local guys, but that was too much. I ordered on-line.
Jon Radder said:
Ralph Berg said:
Pete Thornton said:
I don't think you will find any R/C dealers there either!
I've always wondered why that was. Seems like a well stocked R/C dealer could do well. Ralph
Depending on what kind of R/C you mean. Cordless Renovations is usually there as is Don Sweet. Nobody I know of selling servos and stick radios though. When I bought mine I shopped the local hobby store. He was $175 for what I could buy at Tower Hobbies for $100. I like to support my local guys, but that was too much. I ordered on-line.
Dave I think your best bet is to order online. You will prob get a better deal. Look into the system I got.
Ralph Berg said:
Pete Thornton said:
I don't think you will find any R/C dealers there either!
I've always wondered why that was. Seems like a well stocked R/C dealer could do well. Ralph
The brick & mortar guys and the small dealers can't even buy the low cost twin stick R/C gear for the prices the volume dealers offer on line. That same situation is affecting all areas of commerce.

Slightly off topic, but I just bought a fairly large (2" IPS) specialized (3 way) bronze valve that retails at the ‘local’ industrial supply company for ~$240 + ~9% sales tax. They would discount that to me ~20%, but would have to order it. They expected ~1 week delivery to their facility which is about 30 miles each way over a mountain road.

I found the exact same valve on line. Ordered it at 5:00pm on Monday, 2/20. It shipped via UPS Ground the next day and arrived here about 1:00pm yesterday (Thursday, 2/23). The valve cost was $90.79, free shipping and no tax! They also included a coupon for 10% off my next order.

No local or regional business stands a chance with competition like that.

Back on track, I’ve never seen a twin stick R/C dealer at a train show. I too believe David will find the best selection and prices on-line.

Welcome to 21st century commerce!

Happy RRing,

Jerry

Jerry,
I went top of the line when I bought my radio because spektrum had the extra functions I believe I want to have. Time & experience may prove otherwise. We will see. There was absolutely NO difference in price ordering online or sourcing it somewhat locally which is an hour drive in ANY direction to a local RC plane shop. I bought in Buffalo NY on a trip up there with family.

To follow your other track however…If your “local industrial supply company” did the same thing you did, ordered online from the same source you did and then charged a slight fee say 15% to 25% ($105 to $114) you’d have likely bought it from them correct? Why can’t they do that? Time for suppliers to start thinking out of the (brick & mortar) box.

Chas