Large Scale Central

Who makes which scale?

General Discussion
#21
brian donovan said:
Boys, boys! Give it a rest! Puhleeeeeeezzeee!

How about adding buildings by

Piko & Pola at 1:22.5

Colorado Model Structures at 1:24 - http://coloradomodel.com/default.htm

Smith Pond Junction at 1:24 - http://spjrr.com/masterkits.html

Garden Texture at 1:24 - http://web.mac.com/gardentexture/iWeb/Site/Home.html

Train Stuff at 1:24 - http://www.trainstuffllc.com/public_html/structures/structures_g_scale.htm

Rainbow Ridge at 1:20.3 and 1:24 - http://www.rainbowridgekits.com/

Muella Scale Models at 1:24 - http://www.muellascalemodels.com/

-Brian


Or, scratchbuilt to your particular scale?

#22
Victor Smith said:
Bachmann makes a 1/2x ???

1/2x???

What the heck is a half x if you please???

I know there Bug Mauler stuff is 1/22.5 more or less, maybe edit time? :wink:


That’s what it is: edit time! I had to find some info on those Bug Maulers first

#23

i just added 1/19th [16mm] scale to the accucraft entry…should i also add aster, roundhouse, pearse and locobox in the appropriate lines or would that cause some folks to get upset for reasons i cannot comprehend?

tac

#24

Terry,

Add’m, the more the list has, the more complete it will be… Could become a have to check list before every purchase…

#25
Terry A de C Foley said:
i just added 1/19th [16mm] scale to the accucraft entry...should i also add aster, roundhouse, pearse and locobox in the appropriate lines or would that cause some folks to get upset for reasons i cannot comprehend?

tac
www.ovgrs.org


Terry,

The more, the merrier! :smiley: :wink:

Having the extra info doesn’t hurt and can only help to make better buying decisions. Or ask a few more, quite specific questions regarding a product.

I just read a few interesting posts regarding “scale” on a forum, which made me smile. The gap between “believing” and “knowing” seems to remain pretty constant. :wink:

#26

I just noticed that MDC was only listed at 1/32, it should have 1/24 added to account for the narrow guage frieght cars, caboose, and the Big Hustler switcher models they produced in addition to their standard guage modern frieght cars.

It seems to me that even this list is a little hard to follow, you almost need a model by model listing with companies like Accucraft or LGB that have produced several models at different scales.

Accucraft being a good example:
Garret…1/19
C-16… 1/20.3
Cable Car… 1/24
K-4… 1/29
Cabfoward…1/32

Just listing scales doesnt really shed any light on what any individual model might be

To really confuse the matter further, Accucraft lists G scale as 1/29, instead of the more universally recognized 1/22.5.

Just what is the designation for 1/29 scale? Is there even a designation?

#27
Victor Smith said:
I just noticed that MDC was only listed at 1/32, it should have 1/24 added to account for the narrow guage frieght cars, caboose, and the Big Hustler switcher models they produced in addition to their standard guage modern frieght cars.

It seems to me that even this list is a little hard to follow, you almost need a model by model listing with companies like Accucraft or LGB that have produced several models at different scales.

Accucraft being a good example:
Garret…1/19
C-16… 1/20.3
Cable Car… 1/24
K-4… 1/29
Cabfoward…1/32

Just listing scales doesnt really shed any light on what any individual model might be

To really confuse the matter further, Accucraft lists G scale as 1/29, instead of the more universally recognized 1/22.5.

Just what is the designation for 1/29 scale? Is there even a designation?


Vic,

You’re absolutely right!

But that is easy to do: start a page for each mfg, then list the items in decreasing size i.e. 1:19; 1:20.3 and so on and so forth.

Designation for 1:29 according to NMRA: 1:29 according to the latest wisdom that is out for comment. In the old scheme it was called “A”. I guess I’ll comment even if I’m not a member anymore.

#28

In this whole listing, it’s my opinion that live steam should have it’s own list. It’s generally a different bunch that looks there on a regular basis. It’s also the list that contains more unique (by US standards) locomotives.

#29

A Scale!, thats what I though also, it came from Aristo, who created 1/29.

There was also H for 1/24 (Hartland?) if I remember right.

We had:
7/8" scale or 1/13
1/19 or 16mm scale
G for 1/22.5 (would it now technicly be Gn3 or Gm for meter gauge)
F for 1/20.3 (now called Fn3 on 45mm track)
A for 1/29 (or just ‘goofy gauge?’)
H for 1/24 (or Hn42?)
1/32 has always just been called Gauge 1

Bit confusing, I prefer…

G13 for 1/13
G19 for 1/19
G22 for 1/22.5
G20 for 1/20.3
G29 for 1/29
G24 for 1/24
G32 for 1/32

Bit simpler…where G denotes simply 45 mm track, and the designation is of what scale the model is.

But logic is a four letter word

#30

Vic…Even I’d go for that description, but it’s to try to get anyone else to use it.

Common sense is not very common any more.

So far I’ve resorted to using the general term, Large Scale, when someone asks me what I model in; then explain our two operating “Scenarios’” (NG, as in 1:22.5; and SG as in 1:29)

The “G” followed by a number representing the scale, would be the simplest description, for anything running on #1 Gauge track. It’s even open to any new scales running on that gauge track in the future…just add the scale to a “G”, then add it to the list.

I wonder what complications people can come up with, in order to tell us that it won’t work…!!!
Sometimes I think some lay in bed at night coming up with excuses for complicating things, instead of dreaming of lovely ladies, and fine Whisky !

#31
Victor Smith said:
G13 for 1/13 G19 for 1/19 G22 for 1/22.5 G20 for 1/20.3 G29 for 1/29 G24 for 1/24 G32 for 1/32

Bit simpler…where G denotes simply 45 mm track, and the designation is of what scale the model is.

But logic is a four letter word


That runs for me.

tac
wwwovgrs.org

#32

Ding!
Well done Vic.That works.
…and over to…

#33

But what do you call it when they use a rubber ruler?? I doubt if LGB would be the last of the gummi scale models. Piko is likely to follow the route of the rubber ruler and there will most likely be others following in the footsteps of the ghost of days past.

#34

LGB has a scale???
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:
They shouldn’t even be listed, as well as New Bright or Buddy L.

TOG

#35

That’s easy… the things would be listed as “G”…as long as it fits on #1 gauge track, with the add on “?”

…so it would show up on the list as “G ?”.

If the manufacturer is inclined to want to appeal to the larger market, and peddle more product; he/they/she/it/ will actually try to design the product to stay within some limits and possibly use; for example, “G 22 ±”.

That way we will all know that it might look better with 1:22.5 equipment; but might not be dead on with that scale.

As hobbiests grow within the hobby, they can become more sophisticated towards scale and fadelity to prototype. If manufacturers want to capture that market; they have to grow with it, and everyone wins.

I know that if a new product is advertised, tomorrow, and it is listed without a scale, or just as "Compatable with “G”; I’ll pass. It isn’t that I’m so concerned with “Perfection”; but it is only attractive to me if it might fit in with what I have, or might want.
At this point in my life, and with the equipment I have; I don’t see anything on the horizon that I will be waiting to buy. BUT…my eyes are always partialy open, and the market is always within my sight.

#36
John Bouck said:
LGB has a scale???? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) They shouldn't even be listed, as well as New Bright or Buddy L.

TOG


TOG

They have enough scales to be everything to all people, just not necessarily in one model. :lol: :lol: :wink:

#37
Fred Mills said:
That's easy...... the things would be listed as "G"....as long as it fits on #1 gauge track, with the add on "?"

…so it would show up on the list as “G ?”.

If the manufacturer is inclined to want to appeal to the larger market, and peddle more product; he/they/she/it/ will actually try to design the product to stay within some limits and possibly use; for example, “G 22 ±”.

That way we will all know that it might look better with 1:22.5 equipment; but might not be dead on with that scale.

As hobbiests grow within the hobby, they can become more sophisticated towards scale and fadelity to prototype. If manufacturers want to capture that market; they have to grow with it, and everyone wins.

I know that if a new product is advertised, tomorrow, and it is listed without a scale, or just as "Compatable with “G”; I’ll pass. It isn’t that I’m so concerned with “Perfection”; but it is only attractive to me if it might fit in with what I have, or might want.
At this point in my life, and with the equipment I have; I don’t see anything on the horizon that I will be waiting to buy. BUT…my eyes are always partialy open, and the market is always within my sight.


If we had an agreed on standard of scale listing, it would certainly have an effect when it came time to market an item, just like in HO or N.

For example if LGBoA offers the 0-6-0 it would likely be listed as either G29 or G32, the burden of scale would be upon them and might, just might get them to tip the scale one way or the other and to commit to something akin to a “scale” for each model prior to finalizing the tooling on new items, even if its not 100% its still a closer accuracy for the purchaser and its better than the waffling currently going on. How hard would be to list various LGB items for what they are? Example:
Mogul = G22
Gennie = G29
Porter = G20
Stainz = G22

How hard is this?

BTW Buddy L? G22, New Blight? G24 heck thats what there closest too so why not?

#38

Probably won’t fly.
Didn’t we try that many years ago with the LS designators?
You just replaced the LS with G.

Personally, I don’t really care how it’s done.
I mentioned earlier, some manufacturers actually state the scale on the end of the box.
To me, it’s all #1 gauge, I just want to know the scale.
I keep remembering the designation on one manufacturer’s website that apparently the honchos knew nothing about, and when the review came out…well, that’s what it said.
If you’re going to state a scale, better be right.
And I really do understand why we got a run-around over what scale a certain item was…since we all knew it varied all over the map.

#39

Seems to me the list is becoming so large it needs to be revised in such a way as to be more easily understood.
Nowhere is there listed the fact that “LS” (as in Large Scale) models are also built to run on 32mm gauge track to represent 2’ gauge prototype. Even H0 track is used to represent 15" gauge in 1:22.5 scale. I believe Tom Yorke is making kits in that scale.

Might I make a suggestion that we look at this from a different perspective.

How about we divide the list up into Standard Gauge prototype, Narrow Gauge prototype and non gauge specific, such as buildings.
The only thing potential “LS’ers” will need to do is decide what type of real life stuff did they wish to have in miniature.

In Standard Gauge we then list which manufacturer makes what.
That would include for example 1:22.5 which I believe is still made by Magnus.

Narrow Gauge would need a plethora of divisions but it would still based on what gauge the prototype is.
For example.
42", Metre, 36", 30", 24" and so on.
Then under each gauge we list who makes what and to what scale.
Under 24" for example we would have All the Brit narrow gauge Live Steam made to 1:19 on 32mm gauge. There would also be 1:13.7 on 45mm gauge.

I don’t claim to have all the answers but one big long list still doesn’t do it for me. Never mind the newbie.

#40

Try this analysis:

Manufacturers who don’t list the scale – who is left who does not? – do so because the DON’T want scale to be a decision point. They want the appearance of the item, and hopefully no competitive product, to be the basis for purchase.

I am guessing that leaves LGB of America and their annnounced plans for new locos - or a loco - as the non-scale sellers of large scale.

No, Bachmann, outside of their 1:20 series does not identify the scale, we do in our reviews.
Correct?

There you have my take on this weird practice of not identifying what’s in da’ box – cuz size is a discriminating feature among many consumers.

Wendell