Hi all
OK, I started a Who makes which scale page in the LSC Wiki.
Add, correct etc. etc.
This should prevent the fishing expeditions!
At the moment I’m pondering if one should add the links to the mfgs websites … hmmmm??
Very informative , but , I thought that I read somewhere that LGB was ka-putt , no longer making anything ?
Will LGB always live in your mind ?
LGB may be kaput for now, but we don’t know if it will die a final death or be the new star on the horizon. Besides, LGB products will be around and available for sale for years to come.
HJ, I also added to the accessories and buildings section that Aristocraft made 1:24 scale buildings. That’s according to Lewis Polk, not placing a ruler on the product and measuring.
Dennis,
No sweat, that is easily corrected. I guess MDC falls into the same “defunct LS” bracket.
Reasonably accurate LGB will live on our layout for some time to come. 
Warren Mumpower said:Good!
HJ, I also added to the accessories and buildings section that Aristocraft made 1:24 scale buildings. That's according to Lewis Polk, not placing a ruler on the product and measuring.
That’s what we need, the info that the mfgs provide on the product.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Warren Mumpower said:Good!
HJ, not placing a ruler on the product and measuring.That’s what we need, the info that the mfgs provide on the product.
That’s the problem with the list already. It has “stated” scales mixed with Mr. Mueller’s “measurements”
For LGB I believe the “stated” scales would be 1:22.5, 1:29 and/or No scale stated or “Compatible”, if you choose.
Jack B.
Just possibly those who measured the model and compared to protoype dimensions might just find some of those more exotic scales do apply.
"For LGB I believe the “stated” scales would be 1:22.5, 1:29 and/or No scale stated or “Compatible”, if you choose.
Jack B."
Nice of you to mention ex-LGB products.
And, anything from a former company is fair game, even a Brewster Buffalo.
…why; are “Mr.Mueller’s” measurements made with a different ruler than yours; “Mr Barton” ?
Inquiring minds would sure like to know, exactly what the problem is when a person actually “Measures” something, and reports on it for the benefit of all interested parties.
Jack Barton said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Warren Mumpower said:
HJ, not placing a ruler on the product and measuring.Good! That’s what we need, the info that the mfgs provide on the product.
That’s the problem with the list already. It has “stated” scales mixed with Mr. Mueller’s “measurements” For LGB I believe the “stated” scales would be 1:22.5, 1:29 and/or No scale stated or “Compatible”, if you choose. Jack B.
Jack, Perhaps you should get into the “measuring racket” or read more fora, magazines etc. then you would know that the “IV K” from LGB is in length 1:19.5, but the width is 1:17; a 14% discrepancy. At the same time you would also know that the LGB disconnects are 1:20.3 scale! If your knowledge of RhB is up to par then you will also know that the “C-C” (aka Krok" is 1:24 scale)
Perhaps it isn’t my measurements that are at the root of the LGB scale variety but rather the “flexible rules” applied by LGB. But you knew that, as loathe to admit it as you are!
Fred Mills said:
....why; are "Mr.Mueller's" measurements made with a different ruler than yours; "Mr Barton" ?Inquiring minds would sure like to know, exactly what the problem is when a person actually “Measures” something, and reports on it for the benefit of all interested parties.
Mr. Fred,
I have no problem with the measurements, it is that measurements are not applied to each maker. Just your selected “target”!
The measure of a man is his fairness, don’t you think?
To the TOC: Ex-LGB is YOUR mantra, is it not?
Jack,
Nothing is said about a “stated” scale… I think the question is “Who makes which scale??”… Most of the reviews I have seen state the scale of the product in the reviewers eyes…
Bob Burton said:
Jack,Nothing is said about a “stated” scale… I think the question is “Who makes which scale??”… Most of the reviews I have seen state the scale of the product in the reviewers eyes…
Precisely!
Actually I think it will be an advantage to 1:20.3 modelers to know that the LGB disconnects are 1:20.3 rather than “no stated scale”. One may also sell “one or two extra sets” that way, if and when they get back on the market. Or the 1:20.3 crowd may have a run at what is left.
Bob Burton said:
Jack,Nothing is said about a “stated” scale… I think the question is “Who makes which scale??”… Most of the reviews I have seen state the scale of the product in the reviewers eyes…
I guess you missed HJ"s comment?
That’s what we need, the info that the mfgs provide on the product.
“Provide” sounds like “stated” to me.
Jack Barton said:Bob Burton said:
Jack,Nothing is said about a “stated” scale… I think the question is “Who makes which scale??”… Most of the reviews I have seen state the scale of the product in the reviewers eyes…
I guess you missed HJ"s comment?That’s what we need, the info that the mfgs provide on the product.
“Provide” sounds like “stated” to me.
Jack,
You may spin this one to your heart’s content, it won’t change the fact that the Who makes which scale entries are intended to give those who are interested the information they are seeking.
I’m sure that those who know everything already won’t bother to look; after all why waste the time, eh?
OTOH as a LGB Kollektor you may wish to add to the data, chances are you know exactly what scale each and every item in your collection is. I would if I were a collector!
Jack Barton said:Fred Mills said:
....why; are "Mr.Mueller's" measurements made with a different ruler than yours; "Mr Barton" ?Inquiring minds would sure like to know, exactly what the problem is when a person actually “Measures” something, and reports on it for the benefit of all interested parties.
Mr. Fred,I have no problem with the measurements, it is that measurements are not applied to each maker. Just your selected “target”!
The measure of a man is his fairness, don’t you think?
To the TOC: Ex-LGB is YOUR mantra, is it not?
I don’t think so.
Checking heavily, industry, and many others, nobody seems to think the former EPL is in business.
In fact, they all tell me the carcass is in the hands of the banks, and firmly so.
Do you have any of that wonderful “reliable source” information to share that somewhere the brand with trademarks is now being produced by EPL?
Whole lotta folks would like to know that.
Don’t keep it a secret…share the information with us.
Tell us how parts are even now being shipped to dealers near you.
Going on personal experience, let’s say the USS Ronquil…when it was cut from the active list, it no longer was called that.
The official term is “ex-Ronquil”.
Highly interested in hearing what is right now happening to make you think the ex-LGB company is doing business again AS LGB.
Waiting.
Curmudgeon said:Jack Barton said:Fred Mills said:
....why; are "Mr.Mueller's" measurements made with a different ruler than yours; "Mr Barton" ?Inquiring minds would sure like to know, exactly what the problem is when a person actually “Measures” something, and reports on it for the benefit of all interested parties.
Mr. Fred,I have no problem with the measurements, it is that measurements are not applied to each maker. Just your selected “target”!
The measure of a man is his fairness, don’t you think?
To the TOC: Ex-LGB is YOUR mantra, is it not?
I don’t think so.
Checking heavily, industry, and many others, nobody seems to think the former EPL is in business.
In fact, they all tell me the carcass is in the hands of the banks, and firmly so.Do you have any of that wonderful “reliable source” information to share that somewhere the brand with trademarks is now being produced by EPL?
Whole lotta folks would like to know that.
Don’t keep it a secret…share the information with us.Tell us how parts are even now being shipped to dealers near you.
Going on personal experience, let’s say the USS Ronquil…when it was cut from the active list, it no longer was called that.
The official term is “ex-Ronquil”.Highly interested in hearing what is right now happening to make you think the ex-LGB company is doing business again AS LGB.
Waiting.
Give it a rest. Just because you hate LGB doesn’t mean their products don’t exist.
If the Brewster Buffalo or the USS Ronquil were still readily available on retailer’s shelves then it might be pertinent to ask “What scale of model train are they?”
LGB might be out of production, but many of their products are still readily available new.
Thanks HJ for the information, as unpalatable as it might be to some people.
Boys, boys! Give it a rest! Puhleeeeeeezzeee!
How about adding buildings by
Piko & Pola at 1:22.5
Colorado Model Structures at 1:24 - http://coloradomodel.com/default.htm
Smith Pond Junction at 1:24 - http://spjrr.com/masterkits.html
Garden Texture at 1:24 - http://web.mac.com/gardentexture/iWeb/Site/Home.html
Train Stuff at 1:24 - http://www.trainstuffllc.com/public_html/structures/structures_g_scale.htm
Rainbow Ridge at 1:20.3 and 1:24 - http://www.rainbowridgekits.com/
Muella Scale Models at 1:24 - http://www.muellascalemodels.com/
-Brian
Kevin Morris said:Curmudgeon said:Jack Barton said:
Mr. Fred,I have no problem with the measurements, it is that measurements are not applied to each maker. Just your selected “target”!
The measure of a man is his fairness, don’t you think?
To the TOC: Ex-LGB is YOUR mantra, is it not?
I don’t think so.
Checking heavily, industry, and many others, nobody seems to think the former EPL is in business.
In fact, they all tell me the carcass is in the hands of the banks, and firmly so.Do you have any of that wonderful “reliable source” information to share that somewhere the brand with trademarks is now being produced by EPL?
Whole lotta folks would like to know that.
Don’t keep it a secret…share the information with us.Tell us how parts are even now being shipped to dealers near you.
Going on personal experience, let’s say the USS Ronquil…when it was cut from the active list, it no longer was called that.
The official term is “ex-Ronquil”.Highly interested in hearing what is right now happening to make you think the ex-LGB company is doing business again AS LGB.
Waiting.
Give it a rest. Just because you hate LGB doesn’t mean their products don’t exist.If the Brewster Buffalo or the USS Ronquil were still readily available on retailer’s shelves then it might be pertinent to ask “What scale of model train are they?”
LGB might be out of production, but many of their products are still readily available new.
Thanks HJ for the information, as unpalatable as it might be to some people.
Kevin.
You seem to have swallowed the Family Feud Doctrine hook, line and sinker.
A) I do not hate the former company. Never have, hope I never will.
B) I have and use their products, and as long as they are actually made in Der Fatherland, they run fine.
C) Their choice of “rulers” or other means of flexible measuring devices, and insistence upon the “R-1” rule is rather disconcerting, but it does not cause me to “hate” them at all.
D) When one has to deal with the newbies all week long who can’t figure out what scale something is and why things don’t “look right” coupled together, when I see someone in a position to actually give that information and refuses, it bothers me. Greatly.
E) Can you explain why we have this small group of cheerleaders constantly jumping in defending a company that right now does not exists, and continuously states that folks have said something they never have, and maybe have never even thought? Can you explain when challenged to produce said documentation they simply change the subject? Why is it whenever something is translated, the attempt is made to focus the “faithful” on one word they, in all their infinite wisdom (and native German tongue) don’t like? When the subject of “scale” is brought up, and actual, factual; data (like, measuements of the model, and comparison to protoype, with scale representations), the only thing you get is “well, the competition is wrong scale”.
Seriously, you don’t see that?
To give you an idea, I work with several manufacturers on “issues”.
One, a person not unlike the ones we see here defending something they seemingly do not even comprehend, decided, like at least one who has made appearance here, that he knew better than anyone, that irregardless of actual test data HE was right and the numbers were wrong, and decided to modify an e-mail to an e-mail goup, and send it to the company in an attempt to get someone sued.
ALMOST worked.
I see one who tried in vain to elicit prosecutable statements from members on forums, but no-one bit.
I see the “bashing” mentality at work in some groups, never more obvious than in this instance.
If you put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and scream “BASHING! BASHING! BASHING!” long and loud enough, the hope is anyone who may have some pertinent input to make a product more suitable for ALL, and not just those who store boxes full in rooms, then you get what you wanted.
If the product was the same as now, but TO A SPECIFIC SCALE, can you tell me how that would be a bad thing and how would it adversely affect sales? It should cost no more to do it “right” than to do it “wrong”.
If the procuct, if and when it re-enters the market place, was to a specific scale, would you not then purchase it?
Do you think those who didn’t before because it wasn’t right when coupled to things that were the right scale would then buy it?
Do you think the marketshare would then increase?
Just questions for you.
Bachmann makes a 1/2x ???
1/2x???
What the heck is a half x if you please???
I know there Bug Mauler stuff is 1/22.5 more or less, maybe edit time?