Warren Mumpower said:Warren
I wonder what they call it when the sh*t hits the vent.....er....fan. :D
there’s a German rhyme that is somewhat along that line.
“Sommersprossen hat’s geben” (They ended up with freckles)
Jack Barton said:Far from it, between the neighbour's toys and my toys we had a whale of a time. He had a Biller Bahn and I had tons of fitting trucks. We would walk down to the local clay quarry operation and watch the FRR haul raw material to the brick and tile works. That's when we learned about FRRs, up close to the prototype ...... and compared what we saw to what was available from Biller. Not to mention the large construction company's yard - just down the hill - who also used FRR stuff and stored it in the yard. All up close for better inspection.Hans-Joerg Mueller said:You are probably confused. The 444/4044 molds were first created in 1973/74 and were never part of the FRR program. Most people who have been with LGB over the long haul know that they were simply toys and meant to be from first design for inclusion in the battery sets. I'm sure all those three to five year old were stricken with angst when their pre-school rulers came up short/long or whatever, let alone not being able to find a prototype for a wagon that was normally locally made on many little lines. You must have had a really tough childhood to dislike toys so much.
Now on those four different moulds, are any of them close to any given prototype? Or is it strictly "that looks kind of close" as usual? As far as I know there was/is a whole slew of "off the shelf" rolling stock for FRRs.
Spending some time on the Euro FRR sites is an eye opener, too, lots of the common cars right off the shelf from the big suppliers. For some strange reason they didn’t believe in reinventing the wheel. 
Warren Mumpower said:It is commonly known among the Gator Community that when that happens it sounds like Mar - i - ne. (You kinda have to draw out the pronunciation to get the full effect. Sorta like Mmmmaaarrriiiiiinnnnnnneeee) :lol:
I wonder what they call it when the sh*t hits the vent.....er....fan. :D
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Well I'm glad I've found someone with first hand knowledge. Since you got to watch the prototype of the Biller locomotive, how many brick and tile workers did it take to wind up the locomotive with that giant key through the hole in the locomotive hood? And how did they secure that strap rail to the ties on the prototype?
Far from it, between the neighbour's toys and my toys we had a whale of a time. He had a Biller Bahn and I had tons of fitting trucks. We would walk down to the local clay quarry operation and watch the FRR haul raw material to the brick and tile works. That's when we learned about FRRs, up close to the prototype ...... and compared what we saw to what was available from Biller. Not to mention the large construction company's yard - just down the hill - who also used FRR stuff and stored it in the yard. All up close for better inspection.
Jack Barton said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Well I'm glad I've found someone with first hand knowledge. Since you got to watch the prototype of the Biller locomotive, how many brick and tile workers did it take to wind up the locomotive with that giant key through the hole in the locomotive hood? And how did they secure that strap rail to the ties on the prototype?
Far from it, between the neighbour's toys and my toys we had a whale of a time. He had a Biller Bahn and I had tons of fitting trucks. We would walk down to the local clay quarry operation and watch the FRR haul raw material to the brick and tile works. That's when we learned about FRRs, up close to the prototype ...... and compared what we saw to what was available from Biller. Not to mention the large construction company's yard - just down the hill - who also used FRR stuff and stored it in the yard. All up close for better inspection.*
You clear forgot that I’m not a collector and that I stopped playing with toys long ago when I decided that model railroading is a neat hobby, did you?
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:I'm sorry, please tell me where can I find the rules that state that I (or you) can't do both. I wish I had know that there were all these rules when I first got into this hobby.
You clear forgot that I'm not a collector and that I stopped playing with toys long ago when I decided that [b]model railroading[/b] is a neat hobby, did you?
Jack Barton said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:I'm sorry, please tell me where can I find the rules that state that I (or you) can't do both. I wish I had know that there were all these rules when I first got into this hobby.
You clear forgot that I'm not a collector and that I stopped playing with toys long ago when I decided that [b]model railroading[/b] is a neat hobby, did you?*
Oh, that was a question if you forgot what my long established position regarding the hobby is. I’m surprised that you overlooked that “detail”. That means I made my rules for myself, nothing to do with what anyone else has for their “rules”. Hard to “spin” that one, is it?
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Again my apologies. An hour had passed without the constant reminder of your oft stated positions, so it may have slipped my mind. May I ask why you would post on such a topic if it is so far afield from your narrow parameters?
Oh, that was a question [b] if you forgot[/b] what my long established position regarding the hobby is. I'm surprised that you overlooked that "detail". That means I made [b] my rules for myself[/b], nothing to do with what anyone else has for their "rules". Hard to "spin" that one, is it?
Jack Barton said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Again my apologies. An hour had passed without the constant reminder of your oft stated positions, so it may have slipped my mind. May I ask why you would post on such a topic if it is so far afield from your narrow parameters?
Oh, that was a question [b] if you forgot[/b] what my long established position regarding the hobby is. I'm surprised that you overlooked that "detail". That means I made [b] my rules for myself[/b], nothing to do with what anyone else has for their "rules". Hard to "spin" that one, is it?*
Funny! What do you know about my parameters?
Speaking of topic: “Ventilators” - origin of the term?. Any “clarifications”? I’m sure Wendell would be interested to hear the background on that “slip up”, especially in light of the “accuracies” of the Google and Babel Fish translations, which you quote so often. Your sidekicks were reminded to slow down, they make too many mistakes when they’re in a hurry.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Wendell were to prepare a course entitled: “Debates - how to win skirmishes, but lose the battles and the war! (The LGB Saga)”
:lol: :lol:
Jack Barton said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:I'm sorry, please tell me where can I find the rules that state that I (or you) can't do both. I wish I had know that there were all these rules when I first got into this hobby.
You clear forgot that I'm not a collector and that I stopped playing with toys long ago when I decided that [b]model railroading[/b] is a neat hobby, did you?*
Maybe the one that you can’t do either?
Jack, you’re so full of mis-information, diversionary tactics, and personal attacks, the only reason anyone reads your drivel anymore is for comic relief.
Remember, next week is now here.
And, as this thread has shown the undecided, anyone who claims enough innate knowledge of the German language that he can question the validitiy of one word in seemingly every translation of others, yet he “googles” “LGB Fan”, you are a person only full of his own pompous importance.
This is really funny, in a very sick sort of way.
Found this on the net.
Quote:
Profile of the SociopathThis website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Jack Barton said:Jack,
Found this on the net.Quote:
Profile of the SociopathThis website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Print it out and hang it over your headboard. :lol: :lol:
I won’t crosslink your relevant posts with your perfect display of the behavioural indicators to the applicable items, but it would be very easy to do.
Jack Barton said:Jack, I won't call you a Sociopath. You don't deserve such an accolade.
Found this on the net.Quote:
Profile of the SociopathThis website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
With your continued displays of pretense to knowledge, Sciolist is much more accurate.
John Joseph Sauer said:I don't see it as an insult, since there's nothing derogatory about it at all. It's just funny.
Maybe so Greg, but it pretty obvious that no matter who came up with the term or what it means (or how it's spelled) it's still being used as an insult.
ENOUGH!
Can’t you guys just ignore all this crap for a while, or dont respond to the trolls?
ARGH!
Bob McCown said:
ENOUGH!Can’t you guys just ignore all this crap for a while, or dont respond to the trolls?
ARGH!
Robert J. McCown.
Did we just get an official pronouncement on who are Trolls?
Oh, boy.
Nah, better not.
Ventilators, foamers, and any other nicknames given to people ARE derogatory. Whether it was started by someone that supposedly in that group or not. It brings me to an issue that I was taught in a class on tolerance. A person in a group might not have a problem being called a derogatroy name by a member of the same group but they will have a problem being called it by someone not from that group and that is what we are having here. It is also not good for any new people coming in to the hobby and who decides to join the website only to see the name calling. I might disagree with some of you but at least I respect what you have to say but when you resort to the name calling it dulls my respect for your opinions.
LAO
And here we were keeping the “good names” quiet.
Nice job of dragging an old thread to the top!
Curmudgeon said:
And here we were keeping the "good names" quiet.Nice job of dragging an old thread to the top!
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somebody had to do it.
I don’t want someone to be “tolerant” of me. That just means that they will put up with me to make them feel good.
I want them to either like me or dislike me so I know where I stand.
Yeah, yeah Steve! We know! But have you ever gone to “Tolerance School”. :lol: :lol: