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Todd H. MIK 2025 Build

The MIK - Annual Build Challenge
#122

Hmmm . :thinking: You have me thinking David.

Before making drastic cuts I think I will try adding a bit of weight to the trucks and then look into increasing the contact points under the bridge section. The lifting arm ends sit directly on the bridge whereas the bridge sits on wide fender washers on the pivot points. I think the washers that raise the bridge off the trucks give too much space for tipping when the load goes off center.
The Schnabel made it through this curve when it just had the connecting piece in the photo above but when the deck was added the overhang was extended.

I just might have to setup something to allow the load to pivot on its own.

#123

Along that line, since you’re in the information-gathering stage, you could emulate what Rooster suggested by clamping anything stiff across the tops of the swinging portions (sorry, I missed what they are called).

That would probably solve part of the issue, and perhaps that prototypical method of bridging over the load would suffice. But before any mods, you could leave that stiffener in place and experiment with the other aspects such as weight, pivot stiffness, load height, etc.

#124

Todd, as a newbie, I am a bit hesitant to throw out a suggestion I haven’t tried, but this looks quite inexpensive.

The thought I had was possibly placing a large PFTE ring around the centre point of your hinge that would provide support & nice slippage, but keep the part from leaning as the centre of gravity moves outside the track on the curve. Theoretically it might allow you to tighten down your screws but not bind up the Schnabel.

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PTFE is basically Teflon. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003817877979.html

#125

I love it when you talk filthy like that Bill!

#126

Fine ideas for a possible fix.

Today I took apart one side of the schnabel and put in wider fender washers. I also glued down some on one side to help avoid the “tip”. I also removed the washer that was holding the bridge on to the truck assemblies and installed a flat piece of metal so the entire underside of it will sit on the metal.
I will do the other side tomorrow then try it out.

#127

Aww…I was expecting a giant peanut. :peanuts: :upside_down_face:

#128

On a Facebook post I think loco112 was commenting on Todd’s build. He pointed out several missing hydraulic cylinders and size of a couple more and other “discrepancies “ from real ones!!!
Incase y’all don’t know, loco112 Wa the guy that gave us the term Napkin Builders, of which I am a proud one

#129

Was that the guy that was telling me I needed to add 8 points of articulation to shift the load over so it doesn’t overhang as much? I wouldn’t even know where to begin with that? My build is an interpretation of a schnabel not a scale working model of one.
In other words he is a rivet counter.
I like being a Napkin Builder. It’s how everything on my RR starts.

I went through both ends of the Schnanbel and put wider fender washers at the pivot points and added some weight but it after testing it still needs more weight. I have also found that this thing is not a fan of track that is not level or has a twist to it.

There is a fine line between the trucks being loose enough to swivel and ride freely but tight enough to avoid the tilt when hitting a curve.

Next up is to make a a carrier for each end. I’m thinking a length of wood with grooves cut in to hold the flanges with bumpers at both ends and a ramp at one.

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#130

Ever even thought about how to get it to and fro!!! Yes that guy, sheesh some people never heard the can’t say something nice saying!!!

#131

Pete, which FB group was that on? I want to post my Casey Jones so he can tell me I have too many cylinders and not enough windows. Oh, and that my backdrop is historically inaccurate :rofl: :crazy_face: :upside_down_face:

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Vic it’s on Gscale.net page , and yes it is also a website run by a guy Tom White , but not the Tom White that is or was a member here

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#133

Yep that’s the guy. It’s funny how some people are so exacting and critical of others that are not “up” to their approved level of modeling. At the end of day I try to make my stuff so it will convey an idea, an image. I’m not building scale working models. I’m building toys. :grin:

Now I’m starting to remember him. He was the guy that joined this site several, maybe 10 years ago at this point and then went on to mock our modeling skills. He didn’t last too long.

#134

Thanks, I’m in that group as well. Thought it might be that one. :grin:

#135

I do believe that Bob Banned him from LSC…

#136

…and yet your Schnabel was good enough to be picked up by a critic. There’s no such thing as bad publicity.

However, If he were a good modeller, and not a critic, he’d have a Schnabel to show off, and be able to provide constructive criticism and show how he made his model work.

After all… He’s had a month to build one as well.

#137

Too Funny Bill.

Yep, as they say Everyone’s a Critic but not that many actually try.
The Schnabel was a huge undertaking for a 30 day challenge and I’m still tinkering on it but what did that critic build besides bolstering his own know it all self worth?

His comment on my FB post was “should use buckeye 6 wheel trucks” I didn’t respond to him but others did. I wanted to say that this type of Schnabel uses 4 wheel trucks not 6, besides I did not have enough 6 wheel trucks and I was working within a budget.
I just think it is really odd when someone feels compelled to offer “advice” that can be perceived as a negative. Instead of saying “should use buckeye 6 wheel trucks” he could have said, nice job but maybe it would be better if you had used 6 wheel trucks?

There is constructive criticism and then there is just criticism. Oh well. I don’t have time for his type.

#138

God Bless ya’ ! You need to start modeling Amtrak!

#139

One thing that has always irritated me about these rivet eater types is the total lack of conception that not everyone has a million dollar trust fund to pay for their projects and that some of use are actually are working under very restricted budgets. Of course their answer to that is if you can’t afford it you shouldn’t even be trying. Sheesh! :roll_eyes:

#140

I tried explaining that to my son when I sent him off to college. But it’s my fault on the lack of conception.

#141

gentlemen, you are giving that guy too much attention.
persons like that are not even worth to be ignored, let alone mentioned.