There’s too many out there trying to sell stuff by publishing wild “facts” about viruses , spies in programmes , and that sort of stuff to try to make us buy anti programmes .
I believe there is a University somewhere that specialises in teaching people to think up scares that will give someone else the excuse to tax us (global warming ) put the price of petrol up ( global warming ) bring out anti car measures (global warming ) --so there’s one , the Weather Intelligence for Teaching ,Learning and Exaggerating Simple Stuff (WITLESS).
Then there would be the School for Highlighting Intrinsic Threats Leading to Erudite System Schools . You can work that one out . It’s for computer scares of course . Scared witless --or ,if you are a navy man in trouble , Scared Shipless .
It is relaxing trying to work out what they will tax next , and think up a school title to cover it . In the UK , the latest scare is we are running out of water . I am working on that one , something to do with taxing it anyway .
Mike
Hi Mike… we just got home… sorry. I see you have sent 3 emails and will address them all tomorrow.
Now for the rest …
Once again… IE7 is a Beta release. As such… if you indeed installed it successfully… it “will” appear in Control Panel / Add Remover Programs. You are then able to successfully unintstall it. When it uninstalls it will restore the previous version of IE. However, as it is a lenghtly install… if you cancelled the installation prior to it completing… it is extremely possible you have a corrupted install.
Once again… you will not be able to see any previous version of IE (prior to IE7 Beta) in Add Remove Programs. If this is not clear (as it appears it may not be from some of the responses here)… shot me an email. [email protected]
Mike… I will address your issues. However, from a quick scan of the emails you have sent me, you have not answered all the questions I asked. I need you to please answer all the questions in order for me to assist you.
Once again… the issues you are experiencing are more than likely not caused by IE7, but rather the condition or state your computer was in prior to the installationl
Mike Morgan said:Hey John... trust me... if your installation of IE7 Beta was successfull... you will see the item available in Control Panel / Add Remove Programs.
Hey , John , it sounds as though your system might have been left with a problem as well , then . I told Timmy that the IE 7 thing does not appear in the "remove " part of Control Panel , nor in the drop down called "downloads ". Whatever the thing did has affected my daughter's computer as well , and her one at work , her boss downloaded IE7 and he is now trying to recover all his research data --they test drugs . But not a problem for Microsoft , obviously , because they are Gated out of any comebacks . Mike
Timmy ,
I think there may be a slight misunderstanding here . I think that what John and I are trying to maintain is that we both downloaded the dreaded thing , and it finished off by saying
"YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DOWNLOADED…"followed by “You must now restart your computer …”
So , how do they know we successfully downloaded ? They monitor your computer’s content , that’s how . And if they can do that , why don’t they do a scan to check that it’s safe to pump unproven crap into it ?
No , I am sorry to say , we are all victims of fraud on a massive scale .
Put yourself in the position of a greedy trader who wants to make even more , but doesn’t want to spend too much , or wait very long to make a bit more .
Coo , good idea , let’s get the public to test it for us , several million people will find the bugs , give us feedback , and we can iron out the bugs , claim moral superiority , and laugh all the way to the bank .
In the meantime , use some of our experts to generate viruses so’s we keep the industry alive and kicking .
Even if that includes kicking the crap out of our customers , after all , Uncle Sam won’t help ,look how much tax he’s raking in on the back of it .
Sounds communistic , doesn’t it ?
Well , I am here to tell you on this May Day Holiday , foisted on us by the communists to celebrate their revolution , that I was professionally involved for over half my (so far ) lifetime in the fight against communism . It is sad to say that the brand of capitalism that I was fighting for has been taken over in part by greedy grabbing immoral baskets who , at the first hint of criticism will cry "Communist " rather than behave like a half decent human being .
Think on , on this day of celebration for communism . Who actually won ?
Mike .
Nobody twisted your arm to download anything on your computer but yourself. The warning where there and you still decided to try it.
Don’t blame someone else for what you have done.
Remember buyer beware.
Mike Morgan said:Simply downloading something will not prompt for you to reboot. However, downloading and then installing something many times will. The installation of IE7 does require a restart as many applications after installation do. Remember, that Windows is intimately integrated with the browser which is why the required restart
Timmy , I think there may be a slight misunderstanding here . I think that what John and I are trying to maintain is that we both downloaded the dreaded thing , and it finished off by saying "YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DOWNLOADED........"followed by "You must now restart your computer ...." So , how do they know we successfully downloaded ? They monitor your computer's content , that's how . And if they can do that , why don't they do a scan to check that it's safe to pump unproven crap into it ? No , I am sorry to say , we are all victims of fraud on a massive scale . Put yourself in the position of a greedy trader who wants to make even more , but doesn't want to spend too much , or wait very long to make a bit more . Coo , good idea , let's get the public to test it for us , several million people will find the bugs , give us feedback , and we can iron out the bugs , claim moral superiority , and laugh all the way to the bank . In the meantime , use some of our experts to generate viruses so's we keep the industry alive and kicking . Even if that includes kicking the crap out of our customers , after all , Uncle Sam won't help ,look how much tax he's raking in on the back of it . Sounds communistic , doesn't it ? Well , I am here to tell you on this May Day Holiday , foisted on us by the communists to celebrate their revolution , that I was professionally involved for over half my (so far ) lifetime in the fight against communism . It is sad to say that the brand of capitalism that I was fighting for has been taken over in part by greedy grabbing immoral baskets who , at the first hint of criticism will cry "Communist " rather than behave like a half decent human being . Think on , on this day of celebration for communism . Who actually won ? Mike .
Also, it’s not they that know when you have completed downloading something… it is the computer. Prior to the start of the download the computer knows the size of the item being downloaded. As soon as the completed size is downloaded the computer knows that the download completed. Again, this is not the same thing as installing… it is simply downloading. You may or may not have installed it… or… you may have not installed it completely.
I am just getting up this morning and will be rviewing the 4 emails from you. I will be getting back with you today.
IE7Beta2 does indeed appear in Control Panel / Add Remove Programs
By clicking the REMOVE button it will uninstall it and restore the previous version of IE. IF you do not see this option in Add Remove Programs it is very likely that you did not successfully complete the installation in the first place.
<Hey John… trust me… if your installation of IE7 Beta was successful… you will see the item available in Control Panel / Add Remove Programs.>
Tim, I do trust your advice. I prolly screwed up the install.
I’ve been researching this thing on Microsoft, and they say, too, that it is in the Add/Remove section.
So it didn’t install properly.
But now I’m “Once bitten, twice shy” so I’ll let it be for a while. Everything seems to be running OK without any kind of Web Browser. (There isn’t a single one on my computer to Add/Remove.)
One of the problems, according to Microsoft, was I was supposed to go into "Internet Options/Connections/LAN settings and uncheck “Automatically detect settings” I didn’t do that.
I was suppose to check "Use a proxy server…I didnt do that. And then specify my proxy server. I didn’t do that. and then click Apply. I didn’t do that.
jb
John Bouck said:
Tim, I do trust your advice. I prolly screwed up the install.
I’ve been researching this thing on Microsoft, and they say, too, that it is in the Add/Remove section.
So it didn’t install properly.
But now I’m “Once bitten, twice shy” so I’ll let it be for a while. Everything seems to be running OK without any kind of Web Browser. (There isn’t a single one on my computer to Add/Remove.)
One of the problems, according to Microsoft, was I was supposed to go into "Internet Options/Connections/LAN settings and uncheck “Automatically detect settings” I didn’t do that.
I was suppose to check "Use a proxy server…I didnt do that. And then specify my proxy server. I didn’t do that. and then click Apply. I didn’t do that.
jb
John
Per my previous posts… you will not see other listings of IE in the Add Remove Programs… only IE7Beta2 if it was indeed installed completely. The reason you see IE7Beta2 in Add Remove Programs is because it is a BETA piece of software. As such, MS wants you to have the option to remove it should you desire. Once IE7 is released as the defacto browser that option to uninstall will more than likely no longer be available just like previous versions of IE are not listed in Add Remove Programs.
Windows Operating System and the browser are intimately integrated as I have stated.
Try the following:
- Click START
- Click RUN
- Type in, http://yahoo.com
- Does yahoo come up?
- If so, you have a browser and odds are good it is IE
- If it comes up click HELP on the menu bar and then click ABOUT INTERNET EXPLORER. What version does it say it is?
For that matter, if you have no browser how are you posting here on the site? This site as do all websites require a browser in order to display.
If you have a typical home network or simply one machine that logs onto the internet you would always have unchecked: Automatically detect settings.
You would only check Use a Proxy Server if your network is indeed behind a proxy. My guess is if this is your home system you are not behind a proxy. Therefore you would not check that.
The typical LAN configuration under IE options is to have nothing checked.
John Bouck said:
I just did a computer search on my own 'puter and nothing was found for any Internet Explorer. So I guess I don't have any. That's why it doesn't show up anywhere in the computer.I am using the internet just fine, however.
My IPS is Comcast High Speed. Maybe I don’t need IE.
Who knows.
jb
IE is intimately integrated with the Operating System. However, you do not need IE to access the internet but you do need some type of browser. There are many to choose from. You can also have multiple browsers installed on one computer at the same time.
Also, IE is not your ISP. IE stands for Internet Explorer, it is the defacto browser for Microsoft. ISP stands for Internet Service Provider, like Comcast, Verison, Quest, SpeakEasy etc.
Your ISP provides the pipe to the internet, your browser is the faucet.
Tim,
I followed your instructions and “Yahoo” came up.
Thanks for all the info.
I went in and unchecked “automatic detect settings”
j
John Bouck said:What version of the browser came up? Per the instructions I asked for you to confirm your version of IE.
Tim, I followed your instructions and "Yahoo" came up. Thanks for all the info. I went in and unchecked "automatic detect settings" j
So are you saying that you no longer have the IE icon on your desktop which is why you think you no longer have IE? If so you can try the following:
- Right click on an open area of your Desktop
- Left click PROPTERIES
- Click the DESKTOP tab
- Click the Customize Desktop button
- At the top under Desktop Icons make sure you have Internet Explorer checked.
If it is … then do the following:
- Open My Computer to Program Files
- Open the Internet Explorer folder
- Right click on iexplore.exe
- Left click on COPY
- Right click the mouse back on the Desktop
- Left click PASTE
You will now have the IE icon back on the desktop
2.
Dennis , are you being deliberately obtuse ?
"Nobody twisted my arm " .Yeah , right , I ignored the same message and get out clause that appears on every computing accessory you can get your hands on . Or your computer to download .
The expression "cry wolf " comes to mind .
If you stick the same notice on everything , its significance palls over time .
So , as I can’t believe that you never , ever bought anything that came with that warning on , I have to assume you are being obtuse , even obfuscating .
There is a message in that post , you ignore it at your peril .
I fear that you , along with a lot of peole , are going to learn the hard way .
Mike .
Tim,
Did and done. Thanks!
Properties says I have IE 6
I’m working up the guts to try to re-install 7 again.
j
John Bouck said:John, What flavor of IE6?
Tim, Did and done. Thanks! Properties says I have IE 6 I'm working up the guts to try to re-install 7 again. j
So, that tells you right there. You either never installed IE7 or you removed it successfully.
Hi Mike
How’s it coming with the remaining answers to my questions per email?
Tim,
6.0.2900.2180
Do you like 7?
Is it better than 6?
Any advanteges?
It’s good to have a computer Guru on this site.
I repair all the lokies for fellow club members. I repair LGB trains for the local dealer here in town.
I install sound systems.
And I know a little about these 'pooters. Very little.
I use Microsoft One Care and Defender for security. So far it works very good.
So I figgered that IE7 should be good also. When I installed it, none of the web pages would load.
It was like being on dial up with an old crank phone. It took five minutes for my home page at Comcast to load. Large Scale Central wouldn’t load at all. It would appear up in the address bar, but the little green bar graph down in the bottom wouldn’t move.
I am used to high speed cable. Bing, Bam, Boom! Pages load at the speed of light. Downloads and updates come in at the speed of light. (or so it seems after using dial-up for 6 years.)
What do you think was the problem after I loaded 7?
Thanks again for all your time and help. I really appreciate it.
j
John Bouck said:
Tim, 6.0.2900.2180Do you like 7?
Is it better than 6?
Any advanteges?It’s good to have a computer Guru on this site.
I repair all the lokies for fellow club members. I repair LGB trains for the local dealer here in town.
I install sound systems.
And I know a little about these 'pooters. Very little.
I use Microsoft One Care and Defender for security. So far it works very good.
So I figgered that IE7 should be good also. When I installed it, none of the web pages would load.
It was like being on dial up with an old crank phone. It took five minutes for my home page at Comcast to load. Large Scale Central wouldn’t load at all. It would appear up in the address bar, but the little green bar graph down in the bottom wouldn’t move.
I am used to high speed cable. Bing, Bam, Boom! Pages load at the speed of light. Downloads and updates come in at the speed of light. (or so it seems after using dial-up for 6 years.)
What do you think was the problem after I loaded 7?
Thanks again for all your time and help. I really appreciate it.
j
Good, so you presently have the most current version of IE6
You will find all the info you can read through concerning Ie7 “BETA” 2 here at, http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx. Make sure you read the RELEASE NOTES here, http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/releasenotes/default.aspx
I make it a habit to never install any “BETA” software on any of my 6 main computers. I do however at times install BETA software on my 2 test/spare machines. However, both machines are imaged and I can restore them at the blink of an eye to their previous state.
PS… drop me an email to chat more about it John. [email protected]
Ok ,Timmy , now you’ve answered John , there’s an email for you .
Thanks .
Mike
Haven’t heard back from you. My last email sent to you at 1:09PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time just bounced back from your email servers with, Mail Server for yahoo.co.uk could not be contacted at this time.