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The Crest HO_Receiver has Arrived Hurray Hurray

I should put an explanation for my write-up… I’ve been bugging Lewis and Navin ever since they announced they were working on an HO receiver those number of years ago… My reason for the smaller receiver was not so much install them in HO applications as it was to use them in smaller G and O gauge application with complete battery operation… That’'s why I did the install the way I did… The HO receiver is rated at 1.5 amps, fit so very nicely in the cab and the Hartland Mack draws less that a third of an amp pulling the train in the video…

When more receivers are available, my next install will be in a DDC ready HO diesel just to test it… Then into a dual motor K-Line O gauge NW-2 switcher… I have the G gauge diesel sound receiver in an O gauge box car along with the speaker and battery on board. It’s a very nice running unit.

After a long anticipated wait, the Crest HO REVOLUTION arrived from Navin via FEDEX Monday morning 11.17… I was away from the house until mid-afternoon and when I returned home I, opened the box, read through the manual, (yes, I really did), but didn’t get started on the install until early evening…

The first thing I noticed was that the HO_REVOLUTION transmitter is the same color and style as the original REVOLUTION and could be easily confused when running both REVOLUTIONs at the same time. That will be fixed, in my case by applying a strip of colored tape at the top edge of the transmitter.

The new HO REVOLUTION is a new software and operating system and does not work with the G scale system… That being said, it ain’t a really issue.

The HO REVOLUTION was installed in a HLW Mack 'bash that came out of Phil Jensen’s Hartland “Skunk Works” in Omaha. (Cab and hood removed for installation)

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The install went very well. To test the receiver and all it’s functions, I did a “temporary” hookup of all connections needed to do the complete test… After all the connections were made, checked and power was applied to the receiver using an 11.1 volt Li-ion 4400 mAh battery and the transmitter was programmed to cab-1 as on the original REVOLUTIONs. The magnet was used to activate the receiver for “linking” and receiver linked just fine. Sets 2 and 3 of the programming went just fine. I was able to set the volume to my liking though the programming procedures in the transmitter. All programming is very easy to do and is quite similar to the original REVOLUTION, but does have some added features for “future use”.

The small size of the HO REVOLUTION receiver made it so very easy to fit in the cab of the “bashed” Mack. I tested a couple of speakers to see which would give the best sound quality and still be able to fit in the cab. The image shows the placement for the speaker and the baffle used to enhance the sound.

After all the testing was done, the wiring was completed, the speaker mounted in the floor of the cab and the wiring routed and adjusted for a “neat” appearance.

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I chose to mount the receiver vertically on the side of the cab. That way, if the receiver would need to be re-programmed, the magnet can be placed on the outside of the cab to activate “linking”. Also, shown in the lower image are the wires to the capacitor that I removed because I’m using constant “clean” battery power rather than track power. The stub wires were left on the board in case the receiver might be used in a track powered application in the future. Then the capacitor could be reconnected…

![Mack 5|600x410](http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/stancedarleaf/Aristo REVOLUTION/HO_Set/Mack_5_Web.jpg)

Full testing of the unit started with a temporary track in the garage until the weather warms enough to run comfortably outdoors… As of the testing time, it was only 19 degrees out there…

The system went together very well and was easy to install using the well written instructions…

I’ve included a short video from my iPhone of the start of the test run. It was still running after 7 hours on the 11.1 volt Li-ion 4400 mAh battery. I had to leave for a meeting, so I stopped the run and put the battery on charge… As you will hear, the diesel sound is still from the larger locomotives but this is just the first release… AND the new HO REVOLUTION is a new software and operating system and does not work with the G scale system… (repeat from above) That being said, it ain’t a really issue. The system works for me…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KhtNZ0PjZC8

Thanks so much for “finally” releasing the HO_REVOLUTIONs. I will be anxious to get the steam and additional diesel receivers for some of my other “bashed” projects.

Thanks Stan !

… for taking the time to share the roll-out, the how-done (and pics) too !!

Saw the subject line and this was the first thread I read on this forum today … glad I did !!

doug c

p.s. will share with others on my mailing list (that don’t have time to surf’ like i do, at times).

I got mine on Monday also, will be putting it through it’s paces myself.

Greg

Let me see if I have this correct, and please correct me if I am wrong.

The new H0 Revolution RX/ESC cannot be used with an existing Revolution TX handpiece.

I guess that means the purchaser who already has a regular Revolution TX handpiece is forced to buy a new one to suit the H0 system.

Good way of maximising sales I suppose. :wink:

Tony Walsham said:

Let me see if I have this correct, and please correct me if I am wrong.

The new H0 Revolution RX/ESC cannot be used with an existing Revolution TX handpiece.

I guess that means the purchaser who already has a regular Revolution TX handpiece is forced to buy a new one to suit the H0 system.

Tony, you are correct… The existing original “G Gauge” REVOLUTION TX/RX will not work with the HO system… The system programming and operation are very similar so it is very easy to work with for those who have the original REVOLUTION, but not “exact”. There are some differences in the software.

IMO the HO has upgrades now and in conversation with Navin, will have more in the future.

Only time will tell…

Very brave of Crest to take on the existing H0 and N scale battery R/C makers, let alone the DCC behemoth.

Is there any announcement yet as to the price structure?

It was back in 2001 when I tested the system and worked the user manual for the H0 Train Engineer for Lewis Polk.

In 2006 we were looking at doing the “Train Commander” in DCC but it never happened.

Sure wish it was compatible with the g gauge transmitter, I would have bought a lot of receivers.
I do not like to be forced to buy another transmitter.

My opinion anyway,

I can understand the software being different, but having the transmitter the same as the G transmitter is a real bad thing.

Aristo with the older system at least had 3 different transmitter colors for the 3 different setups, orange, black and grey. And the 75 MHZ HO and G transmitters were the same except the HO had a magnet in the bottom for resetting the decoder via a reed switch in the engine.

Nico… Understand… That was my feeling as well but in the development of the smaller receiver, there was some heat issues that just weren’t compatible to the original system… Smaller means things change and things needed to be changed to perform correctly…

Dan… In conversation with Navin, that is one of the first items that as been discussed and WILL BE changed… Different color, different labeling and/or??? This is the prototype for beta testing…

Tony, I’ll see if I can get an “official” answer for you. Sorry that I don’t have that at this posting.

Gentlemen - I am also reviewing the new HO system and will have a proper review done in a week or three -

As to pricing, it is expected to be around $200 for the starter kit with the transmitter and one receiver - there is also talk of including a 2nd receiver in that package.

I have not completed my analysis of the radio system in the new HO system but now believe that it is a completely different radio from a different manufacturer - my best guess is that they had to go with a transmitter that is incompatible with the existing unit because of the radio in the receiver which is MUCH smaller than the one in the large scale version. Perhaps there is no version of the other receiver radio that is small enough for HO.

dave

Nico Corbo said:
Sure wish it was compatible with the g gauge transmitter, I would have bought a lot of receivers. I do not like to be forced to buy another transmitter. My opinion anyway,

Ill agree with this, I think that having a different TX is a really bad business move, if they were hoping to get more of the LS market here.

Bob - I don’t believe that it is as much of an issue as you might think - the vast majority of users will not be large scale folks, but HO modelers that will not already have Revolution equipment. Since we are writing in a large scale forum the audience is a bit skewed!

dave

Not to derail Stan’s thread, but I noticed AirWire came out with a mini as well. As to the throttle/controller, I don’t know if you can use the standard unit.

John Bouck said:

Not to derail Stan’s thread, but I noticed AirWire came out with a mini as well. {snip}

Yes, John… The CONVRTR has been out of a while. It will fit in equipment as small as HO cars. It works with DCC decoders which must be used.

Stan,

I don’t know the particulars about it. When I was searching for CV Values on their website, I spotted it.

I thought that would work for small lokies, but if you need to buy other stuff to go with it…

“…the vast majority of users will not be large scale folks, but HO modelers that will not already have Revolution equipment. Since we are writing in a large scale forum the audience is a bit skewed…”

Is there a ho forum out there (similiar to this one ?) where the Crest ho unit will be discussed or presently being discussed ?

doug c

p.s. hmmmm via google; circa 2004,

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/17007.aspx and listed in the walthers cat. Walthers Part # 227-57012 but no other (small scale) forums popped up under my search terms !

John Bouck said:

Stan,

I don’t know the particulars about it. When I was searching for CV Values on their website, I spotted it.

I thought that would work for small lokies, but if you need to buy other stuff to go with it…

John, it most certainly will work with small G gauge stuff… And it runs very nicely… I have one mounted in the bed of a Bachmann Rail Truck using a Soundtraxx Tsunami Galloping Goose DCC decoder powered by an 11.1 volt 4400 mAh battery…

Cost difference… AirWire Convrtr $95

SoundTraxx Tsunami Decoder $95

Airwire 5000 Transmitter $145 Total $335

Crest HO Transmitter and receiver $200 Total

Extra sound receivers for the HO +/-$75 That price not firm yet

John the convrtr is the board I had hooked up to my Crock the other week at our get together and why I needed to borrow your extra transmitter.

Looks promising! Glad to see another alternative on the market. Are there the same 6 function outputs as on the LS Revolution for connecting to external sounds, lights, etc?

I, too, wouldn’t worry about the HO and LS systems needing different transmitters. It’s not like you’re going to be consisting your SD-70 with your Galloping Goose, so who cares if they need different transmitters? Most battery R/C operators have multiple transmitters for multiple operators, so why not buy different brands to increase your options for control?

If a person has an Airwire, LS Revolution, and an HO Revolution transmitter (three total), he’s got the option to use (a) any Airwire board with any external sound system of his choosing, (b) Airwire’s “Convertr” receiver with any generic DCC decoder, © QSI’s Titan with G-wire receiver, (d) a LS Revolution board with built-in or external sound, and (e) an HO Revolution with built-in or external sound.

That’s a lot of options at a wide range of price points. That makes it very easy to find the absolute ideal combination of receiver, motor control, and sound decoder for each specific locomotive you’re converting. Plus, all of these options have a degree of redundancy in terms of function and sound control, so if one manufacturer should for whatever reason have temporary problems with being able to deliver products (not that that ever happens), you’re not left high-and-dry waiting around. You just look to your other options for the “next best” fit and use that instead. You can always convert to your “ideal” combination once the supply issues are resolved, and have extra controls on hand for your next acquisition.

Later,

K