Bonds underwritten by the Chinese? Who would have thought! Bush didn’t when he started spouting off that our Social Security was broke. Someone quickly told him to tone it down because SS is underwritten with promissory notes from the Treasury. i.e. Treasury Bonds held by the Chinese.
You bet it is a concern. Like said before. We are on the USS Titanic and no one sees the Ice Berg…N
P.S. HJ some of the stuff is not so funny. Getting serious attention from some quarters. A lot of it is a Red Herring, but some is not. I don’t own any heavy caliber artillery but am thinking of it. Only trouble is you guys won’t let me bring it with me. Got a bed for me? Need a base of operations. LOL Stay tuned.
N
Just a hypothetical question. If Barack is ‘impeached’ then who takes the reins - Jim Biden or a new election? Who would be standin president? Remember that this fiasco has been dragging on the last two years.
One really wonders as to the motives behind the court challenge. Why was the challenge not mounted earlier to rule the candidate out. My reading of the act is that the ‘a naturalised American citizen’ does not imply that the person has to be born in the United States, but needs to take out American citizenship (that is the meaning of the word ‘naturalised’), be over 35 years of age and be a citizen for a minimum 14 years. Some however, read into the act the requirement to be born an American citizen. If so, then why the requirement to be naturalised a minimum 14 years?
Of course, some would like to read into the act that a candidate must be white and a Republican. Many fear Barack, as like JFK, he has the capacity to affect change in society. There are many who like the position of power they have attained, by connections with previous administrations and are not prepared to lose their status.
Tim,
Biden would become president, Pelosi would become VP…maybe we should just keep BHO on second thought. LOL Biden and Pelosi would be a VERY deadly combination. Joe, do nothing, Biden and Nancy, I want it my way or no way, Pelosi. Shudder! Challenge was mounted early on but quietly blocked. Interpretation of Constitution is that Natural Born means on US soil or territory period. Naturalised citizens have been barred in the past. This is why Arnold S. is not eligible.
I for one do not fear Barack just hope that is capacity to affect change is for the good like JFK,and yes he was one of my heroes even though I was a Republican and now Independent, but for some reason after reading his book Dreams of My Father I just feel that he is not. The book is full of not so true stuff and a lot of fabrication. I will leave it at that.
N
So it would seem that a ‘naturalised’ citizen of 14 years duration, although in the constitution, is not allowed to become president. The actual legal context of barring someone who meets the qualifications in the act, should be a legal out for Barack. One would really need to be scratching at straws to think that Barack would be outed. Joe Biden, unfortunately, will be walked over, as he does not have charisma and any attempt to out Barack would be seen by many, as a racial slur, irrespective of the legality of any moves to oust him.
With Pelosi in the oval office, it would be interesting as to who actually made the real decisions and who actually wore the pants (much like the Bush/Cheney partnership).
It is no secret as to how the Kenndy’s made their money and the 1961 connection with the Chicago mob, to rally votes for JFK, is legendary, as are Bobby’s actions to disband the mob after the election. There is a long history of ‘dirty’ politics in the oval office.
Noel Crawford said:Lord, that'll keep me up at night! The Horror! Thanks for that fright Noel.
... Biden would become president, Pelosi would become VP...
I gotta confess I have very little respect for the “BHO is not a citizen” bologna. Can anyone even hazard a guess as to what would happen to the social fabric of the nation if a wildly liked President such as Mr. Obama were to be removed from office over this absurd notion?
This is hilarious. PLEASE keep pushing this “Obama is not a citizen line.” Please. It’s extremely entertaining, and I love the effect that will result ifr a few conservatives keep seeking to overturn the will of the people based on a senseless misreading of the law.
The guy was born in Hawaii, Hawaii was a state at the time he was born there. He is a citizen. Get over it! It does not matter if his father was half martian or the spawn of satan–he is a citizen. The state of hawaii has certified it. The birth announcement appeared in both Hawaii newspapers on the same day. Here’s the link:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
But it doesn’t matter. To those who want to believe this, the existence of two newspaper announcements of his birth, AND the certification of Hawaii’s director of public health (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) has also confirmed it, only proves that this conspiracy is BIG! BIgger than we thought! Obama is able to TRAVEL BACK IN TIME and plant phony birth notices in Hawaii newspapers!
Please–please keep this up.
The Hawaiian newspaper birth announcement is not a legal document. It was not posted until August 8th, that He was born on August 4th since Stanley Ann Duhnam was not permitted to fly out of Kenya being nine months pregnant.
Natural Born = both parents are American citizens and born on American soil.
Here is your legal document
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg)
Your definition of natural born is wrong.
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I was stationed in Hawaii from 69-71. My oldest son was born there at Tripler Army Medical Center. We were issued a certificate of “Live Birth” by Tripler thru the State of Hawsaiian and a Hawaiian Birth Certificate with state seal etc etc. The Certificate of Live Birth was NOT a birth certificate and can not be used as such and is NOT a legal document. Big difference between the two. Anyone of any nationality, country of origin, can get one from the State of Hawaii, but cannot get a Hawaiian Birth Certificate from the state unless born there. BHO is presenting a Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii as his Birth Certificate, which it is NOT. Senseless misreading of the law? I doubt that. BTW, BHO claims to be a Constitutional Lawyer…is that an oxymoron or not? Bill Clinton is a lawyer too and proved BJ is not SEX and got off. Senseless misreading of the law?
N
Don’t even bother to post that document–they will just claim it’s a fake. And see, the fact that the the birth announcement did not come on the exact day of his birth, but four days later, proves that they knew he would be president someday and wanted to fake citizenship!
From the 14th amendment:
“Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
There’s your proof of citizenship. He was born in Hawaii, and all persons born in the US are citizens, because Hawaii is a state.
Please, I’m begging you, please keep this stuff up
Mike,
Are you related to our Gov. O’Malley here in the Communist State of Maryland? You sure sound like a Maryland Democrat. Cannot stand to have any Democrat critized no matter how bad they are but you sure can heap it on the Republicans. Gov. O’Malley raised our sales tax from 5% to 6% and claimed it was only a 1% increase. Gotta love the Democrat math. He went to school in Baltimore I think which is the answer why he cannot add two and two. Comes up with six every time.
Ok, let’s assume that Obama has no birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii and its director of public health have all cooperated in a conspiracy. The document is a fake etc etc. It’s senseless, in that it makes no sense, but let’s assume it for a second. What’s YOUR explanation of the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers?
The Certificate of Live Birth is not a fake. It just not a legal document for purposes intended for a Birth Certificate. It proves nothing except your are alive at the time it was issued.
N
Noel Crawford said:Well no, no relation, and I live in Virginia, but what exactly does that have to do with Obama's citizenship? I believe the answer is...nothing!
Mike, Are you related to our Gov. O'Malley here in the Communist State of Maryland? You sure sound like a Maryland Democrat. Cannot stand to have any Democrat critized no matter how bad they are but you sure can heap it on the Republicans. Gov. O'Malley raised our sales tax from 5% to 6% and claimed it was only a 1% increase. Gotta love the Democrat math. He went to school in Baltimore I think which is the answer why he cannot add two and two. Comes up with six every time.
I haven’t seen much criticism of Obama in the last few pages, just nonsensical junk about how he’s not really a citizen. Criticize him all you want–I criticize him all the time, my wife is tired of hearing it. I just like there to be facts
Noel Crawford said:
I was stationed in Hawaii from 69-71. My oldest son was born there at Tripler Army Medical Center. We were issued a certificate of "Live Birth" by Tripler thru the State of Hawsaiian and a Hawaiian Birth Certificate with state seal etc etc. The Certificate of Live Birth was NOT a birth certificate and can not be used as such and is NOT a legal document. Big difference between the two. Anyone of any nationality, country of origin, can get one from the State of Hawaii, but cannot get a Hawaiian Birth Certificate from the state unless born there.N
Ok, so the fact that the certificate of live birth gives the place of birth as honolulu hawaii means what? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone can go to Hawaii and get the state to issues them a certificate of live birth saying they were born in Hawaii when they were not?
This just gets better and better…
Mike,
Thank your lucky stars you live in Virginia. I really wish we could have gone back there when I retired from the service. Just too tired to make another move. I hope nothing comes of this issue of BHO’s place of birth. He could very easily resolve the situation if he would make public his college records etc. It is puzzling to me why he does not. Seems that he would be proud to do so as would any public servant. That is why I think there is more to it than meets the eye. A red herring perhaps? If it by chance proven that he was born in Kenya like his Kenyan family claims and is removed from office this country will be torn apart at the seams. My wife won’t let me watch the news because she claims that I am going to have a MI. Between Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Frank and all the other we are in a heap of trouble. I apologize for thinking you were a Maryland Democrat. No ill intended. To answer your last question, it is my understanding that anyone can get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. The only place it can be used for legal purposes is in the State of Hawaii for Hawaiian Court purposes. No where else. I think (after all it has been 40 years since I was there) it is because of the convoluted land ownerships and laws thanks to the Bishops, Dillinghams, and other early land grabbers. Most land where you house sits is leased and not sold along with the dwelling. You can lease for up to 99 years. At least that is the way it was when I was there.
Thank you Noel, no offense taken. I don’t share your worries but I remember the feeling. Let’s all hope for the best
David,
A page or so back Noel mentioned:
NC said:My reply to that is: "I get to read David Hill's posts on LSC often enough, that is sufficient proof and covers more than just presidental elections!"
Re you question " Not even Americans can be that stupid?" Sadly they sure as hell are! You should read some of the on the street interviews with voters as to why they voted for BHO, McCain,Huckabee, etc. Stupid is not a strong enough word, sad to say. Reflects on our broken education system.
I feel that Barack is not being condescending to immature losers who will stoop at nothing to bring down someone that is ‘niot their man’. Is it just because he is a Democrat or is it more sinister than that? Is he being denigrated for his race (American), his colour (representing about 20% of the American population), his religion (I do not know if he is a Muslim or not, buy hey what difference does it make?) or is it simply the name given him by his parents. He could have changed his name to John Smith to appease the right wing, but he is proud and justifiably so of his birthright. The losers just need to get over it and next time around (2018AD) put forward a decent candidate, so that the choice is not simply down to one respectable candidate. Did the Republicans not realise, in 2004, when Bush the lesser, beat McCain as their nominee, that he was not up to the task. His supporters could not even raise enough money to fund a decent campaign. Second place never wins.
Once again the ugly right-wing faction rears its ugly head. Time to get a widescreen monitor to handle the increasing movement to the right.