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Stuff that should be made (but probably won't be)

Okay fellas, we all have wish lists for stuff we wish would be made. - some practical, sensible and affordable, others… not so much. So, if you were in charge, what would it be? The Mik list (In no particular order): 1. B&O EM-1 2-8-8-4 - smallest of the Yellowstones, still too big for many layouts, but handsome.

  1. While we’re on articulateds, one of the Little River 2-4-4-2s. Which might just be small enough for wide spread appeal.

  1. a modernized 4-4-0

  1. A decent 2-4-0 tender locomotive for folks with small layouts.

5 a Mason

6 Bachmann to rework the Indie to how she should have looked in the first place…

  1. Generic Eastern “Company” duplex house

  1. A vertical boilered Climax (not kit)

  1. a Baldwin RF-16 ‘sharknose’

10 a good burro

Mik said:
Okay fellas, we all have wish lists for stuff we wish would be made. - some practical, sensible and affordable, others… not so much. So, if you were in charge, what would it be? BIG SNIP!!! 9. a Baldwin RF-16 ‘sharknose’

(http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/dh_1216.jpg)

Hi Mik. Good choices, but what happened with that one?

That’s how it’s supposed to look? IIRC the Delaware & Hudson bought some Alco PAs off Santa Fe - painted the red part blue and ended up with a “warbonnet” scheme of their own… more RF-16s… soooo ugly, they’re almost handsome

(http://home.comcast.net/~kelticsylk/MSTS/MilePost15/10-14-2009/PRR_DR-4-4-15_Sharknose.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/5719279993_7e89867d97.jpg)

(http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/7/3/0/5730.1300412711.jpg)

TonyWalsham said:

Mik said:
Okay fellas, we all have wish lists for stuff we wish would be made. - some practical, sensible and affordable, others… not so much. So, if you were in charge, what would it be? BIG SNIP!!! 9. a Baldwin RF-16 ‘sharknose’

(http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/dh_1216.jpg)

Hi Mik. Good choices, but what happened with that one?

Uhhhh mik…you see a D&H shark…the rest of us get a “please do not hotlink to my web content” notice…

Bart Salmons said:
Uhhhh mik…you see a D&H shark…the rest of us get a “please do not hotlink to my web content” notice…

Oh, bloody hell! Would it be better for me to just steal the stupid picture outright?.. I’m supposed to go on ebay and buy a copy of something every time I need a picture for a board??? Then all I’d have is pictures, not trains. The extra bandwidth actually costs a lot less than 1c. If his host is charging him, he’s getting screwed. Fine, I bloody stole it… and I’m claiming “fair use” as an illustration for an ‘academic’ discussion…

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j371/AlleghenyValley/dh_1216.jpg)

Anyway, back to the subject - what would you like to see made that the powers that be probably won’t ever do?

Well I was looking @ some vids of logging operations and noticed that some have a Barnhart (?) type loader /crane!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrdkiuw8Q9IMb0vgaZUbU_IoyPOLhe8ANIlU24pNi225YnXHYO
So I was HHHMMMMMMMMMMM
Bachmann could make one , they allready have that skidder/donkey , and as far as I know the only crane anyone makes is USAT not the same!
So they would fill the need!
I would bye one!
Just thinking out loud!
Sean

I am beginning to understand how difficult it must be to run a toy train company. Of all that are listed the only one I would buy would be the Mason. Nothing “wrong” with any of the choices, just pointing out a “niche” hobby that appears to be made up of smaller and smaller “niches”. Hats off to any manufacturer who puts their money on the line!

I would love a C.P. Huntington.

Mark, the thing is, there ARE no “wrong” answers here… just some that may make more sense than others. I started this thread as a companion to the Bachmann one to allow for ideas aimed at different companies as well.

IMO, a CP Huntington would be really cool, and might actually sell pretty well… especially to the “around the Christmas tree” buyers. Lord knows just about every zoo and smaller amusement park I’ve been to has a gas/hydraulic version… It it certainly makes as much or more sense than a Mexican 2-8-0 … or a Triplex.

When I suggested the EM-1, it wasn’t because I could ever afford or run it, but because, 1. To my knowledge a Yellowstone hasn’t been done yet even though there were LOTS more of those than Big Boys (and HOW many LS versions of that has there been? MTH, Aster, Accucraft, USA…), and 2. it could be built using the existing new Aristo 2-8-0 drives, or those from a Big Boy. OTOH I don’t think it WILL be built simply because the “Bums and Outlaws” (or even the DM&I) has a far, far smaller following than “Uncle Pete”.3. Aristo’s choice of the B&O E27 was already pretty surprising, so why not another one?

The RF-16 could use a lot of their FA parts, too, but again, I think most of them ran on less popular roads, and Baldwin exited the market early - A Fairbanks-Morse Trainmaster would face similar problems… and is huge to boot.

The 2-4-4-2 and 2-4-0 could be produced fairly cheaply using existing 0-4-0 bricks and many other parts as well. AND could rather easily be made to run on those tiny R1 and R2 curves without looking totally ridiculous. Unfortunately, I’m just not sure they are ‘sexy’ enough to ever really be considered. Plus, why bother making a 2-4-0 when the Christmas tree folks and newbies will just (in theory) buy your 0-4-0T if you don’t?

OTOH, while a basic modernized 4-4-0 from B’mann would require new domes, steel cab, lights, dynamo, stack and air brakes, etc… Nearly ALL those parts could be adapted or simply re-used from their Annie, Connie or Shay or Climax… and yet even though it would be almost a ‘no brainer’, that STILL hasn’t happened… Was the original 1880s version THAT big of a flop? Or has 'anticipate; simply been replaced with ‘procrastinate’? Not running the risk making an all-new model in a crappy economy is one thing. Not updating versions of stuff you already make to try to stimulate sales is another.

Sean, a Barnhart loader is an interesting idea, too. And, as noted, could use a lot of off the shelf parts… I wonder what the price break would be on those to make it “successful” AND profitable? A lot more folks would bite at $79 than $279. But at what price could a company be convinced to bother?

The sad fact we have to face is, large scale currently doesn’t have the following for the manufacturers to make a lot of what we’d love to see. A total turkey in HO probably sells many, many times more units than a successful LS one. – and that’s WITHOUT folks not liking the looks, or poor engineering choices that cause premature failures. ie The Indie has been a ‘close, but no cigar’ since they simply slapped a Mogul driveline under the Hawaii #5 Columbia shell and called it a ‘catalog’ loco. Many simply called it a “Mongrel” or worse. Then again, how many folks haven’t had to change their Connie axle gear? Has anybody NOT had trouble using Aristo r-1 turnouts for anything besides a paperweight? etc. etc. -AND- the fact that we are currently, what? 5 scales in one? 6?

BUT, an exercise like this could possibly bring about a clearer consensus of what average folks (not just the most vociferous or best connected) WOULD like to see… And even if the current major mfgs aren’t listening, maybe a startup company somewhere might be… And if, not, well, we can still wish, anyway…

Accucraft already DO make a 1/20.3 Mason - electric or steam - your choice.

Aster will be making the most popular large articualted loco still running in NA - the Challenger - VERY limited and if you haven’t got your name on one by now you are not getting one.

Me, I’d like the SP&S E-1 #700, a locomotive that still runs excursions from Brooklyn Yard Portland OR [see the PRPA site], but Aster chose to make a replica of the stuffed and mounted GN S-2 instead. Very pretty and colourful, but not a runner.

As for the older models’ replication, the problem there lies with the total absence of suitalbe era rolling stock. I recall the efforts of one poster here a while back trying to find suitable stock to the WoNA era, so he could model the ‘General’ movie.

tac

I accept all that you say Mik; except your comment on R1 curves Aristo or otherwise. Back yards in the UK and much of mainland Europe are full of them lol. None in my back yard however.

Alan, the Aristo r-1 curves are fine (I think I have 2 circles worth for temporary layouts)… Their turnouts (switches, points) are another story. – Try running an Indie through one sometime. (Ever see a locomotive hop straight in the air and come down sideways?) Even Aristo’s own 0-4-0 doesn’t like them!

My current layout is R2. But all the rest have been R1. All my current turnouts are LGB R1 because they give me no trouble - even with a Connie (a few minor mods, run points trailing, and don’t try to back it through…)

Hmmmm…
Interesting that Bach built all three geared engines and a logging mallet.
But only a steam donkey. (The only one I’ve seen looked a little un-detailed)
Loaders, pile drivers, etc would be nice, if they had the detail of the Spectrum line.

TAC,
That Accucraft unit is HUGE by comparison to the unit MIK showed us…just saying…not nit picking or anything…:wink:

Really. The only thing I’d add is what has been said before…some ALCO’s diesels similar to what run near my backyard…on the WNY & PA RR…locally known as “the skittles” because of the varied paint schemes and models on the roster.

Chas

RE Aristo R1 switches: Adding agreement to Mik’s assessment, they are awful, if your going to use R1s, spend the coin get LGB turnouts. They are far superior, the regular track, R1s or straights, are perectly fine, its the turnouts that blow.

Well, Chas, right now it’s the only MB in town…a very pretty model too, from what I’ve seen of them running around.

Now if only Roundhouse could be pursuaded to re-release their cute little live-steam Forney…

tac

I’m not a rabid dismal fan, but I have a fondnest for the covered wagon units.
But not that one! Reminds me of a girlfriend I had once…butt ugly! :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

An FP 40 or 45 would spark my interest.

MIK, since you asked, I think I’d like to have some engines like these:

(http://sites.google.com/site/nynhhsteam/_/rsrc/1260492724527/home/class-a-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-b-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-c-1-to-c-9-4-4-0/Roundhouse%20028.jpg)

One like this might also be lettered for Sierra RR #3, but I like the NY,NH &H:

(http://sites.google.com/site/nynhhsteam/_/rsrc/1260818005180/home/class-a-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-b-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-c-1-to-c-9-4-4-0/class-c-10-to-c-22-4-4-0/class-d-1-to-d-7/class-d-9-to-d-17/class-e-4-4-0/class-f-1-atlantics/cne-class-f/class-f-5-2-8-0/class-g-1-to-g-3/class-g-4-4-6-0/class-h-4-6-0/Roundhouse%20108.jpg)

And maybe one of these, just to round it out.

(http://sites.google.com/site/nynhhsteam/_/rsrc/1260980959119/home/class-a-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-b-4-4-0-american-standard-type/class-c-1-to-c-9-4-4-0/class-c-10-to-c-22-4-4-0/class-d-1-to-d-7/class-d-9-to-d-17/class-e-4-4-0/class-f-1-atlantics/cne-class-f/class-f-5-2-8-0/class-g-1-to-g-3/class-g-4-4-6-0/class-h-4-6-0/class-i-1-4-6-2/class-i-2-and-i-3-4-6-2/class-i-4-4-6/class-i-5-hudson/class-j-mikado/class-k-1-a-and-k-1-b-2-6-0/Roundhouse%20151.jpg)

(http://www.limalocomotiveworks.com/C_O_Allegheny_1603.JPG)

The Chesapeake & Ohio H8 Allegheny clocked in at a whopping 2-6-6-6! Her huge boiler generated enough steam to create more than 7,400hp at the drawbar. What makes this engine so spectacular, is the fact that C&O never used ~15% of her power! Lima cut the molds to cast the cylinders, only had to have C&O order piston diameters a full 1" smaller than Lima had planned. Lima made the boiler to withstand the steam pressures, only to have C&O order them operated at several psi less than Lima designed for. Further adding insult, the engines were designed for the addition of a high-speed booster engine on the trailing truck. C&O refused to pay for that addition. Despite these handicaps, during their tenure as warbabies, they easily hauled 20-car troop trains over the Allegheny Mountains… never missing the passenger schedules. Course, their real victories came in moving unimaginable quantities of coal from the mines in West Virginia to markets in Ohio and the Atlantic ports… usually sporting 12,000tons-plus on their drawbars.

(http://imagestorage.greatrails.net/photos/2010/07/25/201007250125024583.jpg)

She has no great history like the Allegheny or the Big Boy or the Berkshire or Hudsons. Her story is one of endless toil on the branchlines of America, serving rural operations near and far. In this case, built in the 19-teens for export to Cuba, she never made the boat. Sold domestically to the Charcoal Iron Co in Newberry Michigan in 1920, it was then sold to the Boyne City Railroad in 1946. In 1960, Arcade & Attica Railroad executives began looking for a steam engine to begin passenger excursions on their fully-dieselized freight railroad. Delivered to the A&A in early 1962, she ran only for the month of August with two ex-DL&W coaches, and carried more than 17,000 passengers. At the end of the 2001 passenger season the engine went into the A&A shops for overhaul to comply with the FRA’s (then)new regulations on Steam Locomotives. Despite high hopes of a rapid return, it wasn’t until Memorial Day weekend of 2008 that No18 returned to revenue service. She has since been used in doubleheader service, and even been called in to operate a freight train when the railroad’s main freight diesel was sidelined for engine repairs. Not as historic as the Colorado NG 2-80’s, and not nearly as powerful as the B&O e27 2-8-0’s, No18 and her comparative sisters’ contributions to America’s heartland are just as important and deserve to be recognized.

John Bouck said:
I'm not a rabid dismal fan, but I have a fondnest for the covered wagon units. But not that one! Reminds me of a girlfriend I had once....butt ugly! :) :)

An FP 40 or 45 would spark my interest.


You had a girlfriend?
:wink:

Freakin amazing, huh? :slight_smile: :slight_smile: