That one doesn’t even deserve a reply.
Ralph Berg said:Steve Featherkile said:Ralph said:Ralph, Bob Bennett, the leading Democratic lawyer, who was assigned by the Dems, then in power, to investigate the Keating 5, said that McCain was innocent of any wrongdoing, and that the matter regarding McCain should be dropped. He was not so forgiving of the Democrat Senators involved. That should give you some comfort.
Then there is the matter of John McCain, Charles Keating and the Keating five. Also makes me uncomfortable.Shields up!
Steve,
I believe the report concluded he was guilty of using bad judgment.
Obviously they could not prove any wrong doing on Mr. McCain’s part.
But we are judged by the company we keep. So I have to consider Mr. McCain’s past associations, as well as Mr. Obama’s and those of the Vice Presidential candidates.
Ralph
Ralph if politicians are guilty by association (“judged by the company we keep”), nobody should ever be re-elected. Of course, many people feel that that would not be a bad rule.
Ric, how come your American flag seems to be waving sometimes, and sometimes not?
Depends if it’s a windy day or not…
Ken Brunt said:Chuckle! I'm visualising where the wind is coming from - not a pretty sight!
Depends if it's a windy day or not................;)
appears to be very windy here today…
Too much sugar in the Koolaid causes the lungs to pump faster…my medical opinion!
Richard Smith said:Sorry, Doc. In Oz, "wind" doesn't emanate from the lungs!
Too much sugar in the Koolaid causes the lungs to pump faster....my medical opinion!
mike omalley said:Ken Brunt said:
As someone mentioned earlier, you are judged by the company you keep. I wrote off Barak Hussein Obama a long time ago.As for Palin, I’ve seen absolutely no evidence of any sympathy to Alaskan secession. I see it as a dead issue, at the most a non-issue.
Well that’s remarkable. She “kept company”–in the sense of being married to, sleeping with, raising children with–a guy who was a member of the AIP. Yet you see no evidence?
Mike,
The phrase “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks” comes to mind.
-Brian
ps - boy, I’m gone a couple of days and I have about 10 pages of thread to catch up on!
Too put it simply, VietNam and hockey moms I can relate to, been to Nam and I’m married to a “soccer” mom, who, on occasion, wears lipstick…Archmere Academy and Harvard I can’t relate too…
Ken Brunt said:Can you relate to 27 million dollars in earmarks for a town of less than 6000 people? Fiscal conservatism at work? I think not. From small town Mayor to Alaskan Governor is quite an accomplishment. She deserves her "props" for that alone. But there is still much we don't know about this lady and I'm afraid as it comes out it won't all be good news. Cute and smart would be a good thing. Cute and vindictive would not. Ralph
Too put it simply, VietNam and hockey moms I can relate to, been to Nam and I'm married to a "soccer" mom, who, on occasion, wears lipstick................Archmere Academy and Harvard I can't relate too............
The last thing I want is a president I can “relate to.” I want a President who shares my general goals but is smarter than me, has better judgement than me, is a better manager of people
I’m not voting for a friend, I have lots of friends. I’m not voting for a minister, I don’t need the President to be my moral guide. I don’t need him to tell me how to parent. I don’t expect or want a candidate for President to be like me–I’d make a terrible president and I suspect that people who think they should be President are already really different from me.
In my opinion one of the most annoying things about our politics is politicians tripping over themselves to show how they are just like you and me. They all do it, Dems and Reps. alike. It’s bullshit.
“In my opinion one of the most annoying things about our politics is politicians tripping over themselves to show how they are just like you and me. They all do it, Dems and Reps. alike. It’s bullshit.”
Yep
Then let me put it this way.
The issues that hockey moms are concerned about are more than likely the same ones I’m concerned about.
The issues that someone who went to Harvard Law School are concerned about are more than likely not the same issues I would be concerned about.
I could be wrong, I don’t know. I know a lot more “hockey moms” than I know lawyers.
Ken Brunt said:
Then let me put it this way.The issues that hockey moms are concerned about are more than likely the same ones I’m concerned about.
The issues that someone who went to Harvard Law School are concerned about are more than likely not the same issues I would be concerned about.
I could be wrong, I don’t know. I know a lot more “hockey moms” than I know lawyers.
Solid logic Ken.
I have to give that point some consideration.
They are all flesh and blood…why not somebody that isn’t a lawyer or professional politician.
Ralph
Dave Healy said:Ah but remember that when the normal channels overload the safety pops off! ;)Richard Smith said:Sorry, Doc. In Oz, "wind" doesn't emanate from the lungs!
Too much sugar in the Koolaid causes the lungs to pump faster....my medical opinion!
Ralph Berg said:Ken Brunt said:
Then let me put it this way.The issues that hockey moms are concerned about are more than likely the same ones I’m concerned about.
The issues that someone who went to Harvard Law School are concerned about are more than likely not the same issues I would be concerned about.
I could be wrong, I don’t know. I know a lot more “hockey moms” than I know lawyers.
Solid logic Ken.
I have to give that point some consideration.
They are all flesh and blood…why not somebody that isn’t a lawyer or professional politician.
Ralph
My reasoning is this way Ralph. 15 years ago she was in the PTA. So was my wife. She’s laced up a lotta hockey skates for her kids. My wife has washed a lot of soccer and baseball uniforms for our kids. Stands to reason she’s also been in the stands watching those kids play. I’ve gotten blisters on my butt from sitting in the stands watching my kids play. Her husband is a steelworker and a commercial fisherman. He works outdoors using his hands. I worked for the telephone company. I worked outside all my life and worked with my hands. She has 17 year old kids that sometimes do very stupid things. I’ve had 17 year old kids that did very stupid things. From where I sit it looks like she’s probably seen the same things in her life that I’ve seen in my life. Shes probably faced the same problems that I’ve faced. If it’s naive to think like that, well, then maybe I am naive. But I don’t think so. The fact that she’s a politician now…well, maybe that’s a good thing. She sure beats any of the rest that I see running for office.
The way I look at it is maybe we should be sending more hockey moms and steelworkers to Washington DC and a lot less professional politician and lawyers.
BTW, this is NOT a paid political endorsement, this is strictly my opinion.
There’s a phrase that gets quoted a lot, from a philosopher who traveled through the US during the era of Andrew Jackson. He said “In a country where people believe and ordinary man can be president, the president must appear to be an ordinary man.”
Up to Jackson the Presidents were all highly educated guys–except Washington they all went to College in an era when almost nobody did. They were fluent in multiple languages. They assumed they were superior people. It was a different world–they were “men of rank.” Washington expected, long before he was a General or President that if he pulled up at a tavern, you were supposed to hold his horse. He “outranked” you socially. They all thought that way.
Jackson was the first prez not from Virginia or Massachusetts. He had almost no formal education. He was elected right after we established “universal while male suffrage.” Before that, you had to have property to vote. After Jackson, Presidents all had to fake humble origins. Lots of them have actually HAD humble origins, from both parties. Since the 60s, Lyndon Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Carter, Clinton were all from modest family backgrounds. Kennedy and the Bush’s were rich. But they all have to fake “ordinariness”
I would never argue that educated=smart. Nothing in my experience leads me to conclude that. Some of our best presidents were poorly educated.
What I would argue is that none of them were ordinary. Think about what it takes to be President. You have to have a HUGE ego. But you also have to eat a ton of dirt–kiss up to people you don’t necessarily like, sacrifice your principles for political gain.
There’s no way, it seems to me, that any of these people are much like me. And why should they be?
Mike, maybe that’s the whole problem. We don’t send people to Washington that ARE just like us…maybe we should be sending them. The kinds of people that don’t have to kiss up to people they don’t like, but DO know how to work with people they don’t like. Like us ordinary folk do our entire lives.
You might be right–the process is nasty. It’s an unhealthy combination of humiliation and power–humiliate youself to get votes, then get political power.