Can I thank someone for the two days of above freezing temperatures we have seen here in Ottawa…and could we please have a few more…The rain this evening is helping to melt the snow. but without sending more warm yemperatures it could turn to more snow.
Ralph Berg said:I guess you're feeling like your basic beliefs are under attack. I have no wish to add to that even though I disagree with some of what you say. Surely we can disagree like gentlemen rather than street fighters.
Thank you Kevin. An intelligent response rather than insults. If during the last million years or so, there was always at least one part of the Earth that was warm enough to support life, it still does not "prove" the theory of evolution. There are other possibilities. If we evolved, common sense would tell you we would have more fossils from the transitionary stages, than the last stage, Homo Erectus. Transitionary fossils..............we have none. Ralph
It’s been a long time since I’ve read anything on the topic but it seems that very few humanoid fossils of any kind have been found. Speculation on my part, I admit, but maybe it has something to do with human burial practices. Humans, so I’m told, are the only creatures that have a sense of mortality beyond mere survival instinct. Maybe that’s what some people define as a “soul”.
It seems to me that there has always been a call for “the missing link”. When the first australopithicine (sp.) fossils were found, and were said by some to be the missing link, there was then a call for the missing link betweeon apes and austalopithicines. I think those that oppose the theory of evolution will always be able to demand finer and finer degrees of evidence. But just as no evidence for a creator does not equate to proof on the non-existence of a creator, the non-existence of a missing link fossil does not mean one does not exist. Merely that it hasn’t been found yet. Science tends to work that way.
I think the big difference between science and faith is in the way people deal with the evidence. Evidence for the existence of a creator would be seen as evidence. However, a lack of evidence for the existence of a creator is seen as evidence that the creator didn’t want us to know and is therefore regarded as evidence for the existence of a creator. It’s hard to lose an argument when when one has this type of “logic” on their side. Science doesn’t have this luxury and so is always open to challenge. I see that as one of the strengths of science - it has to be ready to defend it’s conclusions and/or speculations.
I don’t think we humans are capable of having a piece of information and not speculating about it.
Fred Mills said:You're welcome. Expect another week or two of warmth, if Edmonton weather is anything to go by.
Can I thank someone for the two days of above freezing temperatures we have seen here in Ottawa.......and could we please have a few more.......The rain this evening is helping to melt the snow. but without sending more warm yemperatures it could turn to more snow.
Kevin Morris said:Now there's a thought, imagine the possibilities! Now let's see if you garner enough votes of confidence since you don't reside in the USA. ;) :)Ralph Berg said:Those of us who originate in the "torrid zone" can answer that. The ice sheets covered huge tracts of the northern land masses. But they didn't really encroach on the tropics. Just because New York (the centre of the world) and London (the centre of the world), and Paris (the centre of the world) were under a layer of ice, it doesn't mean Jakata, Mumbai, Nairobi, etc. were suffering ice-induced traffic snarls. Maybe that explains why the oldest of humanoid fossils were found in equatorial Africa and Asia.
Tell me how man suvived the many ice ages for the last million years. In order to evolve, a species has to survive.
Fred Mills said:Padre, it has been quite reasonable out here and as soon as we can spare that kind of weather we make arrangements for you. :D
Can I thank someone for the two days of above freezing temperatures we have seen here in Ottawa.......and could we please have a few more.......The rain this evening is helping to melt the snow. but without sending more warm yemperatures it could turn to more snow.
HJ,
blind faith gives one the divine right to give criticism, but the inability to receive criticism. What happened to that good old-fashioned religion, before all those travelling medicine men started handing out snake oil and becoming very rich as a result?
Since this thread is named, “Record Temperatures”, I suggest we all try to estimate the hotest recorded temperature that the body of a human being withstood when being burned at the stake.
Religious groups used to preform this supposed Christian punishment in the name of some god or other…I’m sure some organization well read in Christian literature, could provide the highest temperatures reached, by the body of a human being who just might have questioned some great religious preaching.
By searching for this answer, we can keep to the subject title…
BTW…we Branch Railroadians are free from all this religious and political crap…we stick to holy water testing and playing with trains, on branch lines in the name of fellowship and fun.
Fr.Fred,
Official holy water tester,
and officiator at wakes, engagements, and divorces,
Branch Railroadian Fellowship of The World, as we know it.
Fred,
no temperature given, but Wikpedia has information -
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Kevin Morris said:I'm tired of being insulted by Phil Creek and Tim Brien because I pointed out other possibilities. I can have a civil discussion about anything. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I challenged their beliefs and the insults ensued. I am a gentleman, when I am treated as such. Mr. Brien and Mr. Creek have given up the right to be treated as gentleman. Ralph .Ralph Berg said:I guess you're feeling like your basic beliefs are under attack. I have no wish to add to that even though I disagree with some of what you say. Surely we can disagree like gentlemen rather than street fighters.
Thank you Kevin. An intelligent response rather than insults. If during the last million years or so, there was always at least one part of the Earth that was warm enough to support life, it still does not "prove" the theory of evolution. There are other possibilities. If we evolved, common sense would tell you we would have more fossils from the transitionary stages, than the last stage, Homo Erectus. Transitionary fossils..............we have none. Ralph
Ralph,
you accuse me of cowardice and feign insult on your person when I respond. The most damming statement I have made and it was a general comment, was the lack of credibility of the arguments given by the creationists. If you see that as insulting then maybe spend less time in your church and more time in the real world. As stated previously, you like to dish it out, but are offended whenever anyone points out inconsistencies in your logic.
If your logic requires you to insult those who have an opposing view to you, then I feel that you are insecure in your beliefs. Exactly where have I personally insulted you?Here here Ralph. Some folks, when having their beliefs challenged, get nasty.
Ps.1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,
there is none that doeth good.
Pro:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Tony, as you correctly, The Bible states that Adam and Eve had many children which we can only assume married and "multiplied" according to God's command.
Gen. 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen. 4:17 And Cain [b]knew his wife[/]; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
The term knew, is meant to describe "having sexual relations with" (You all knew {no pun intended} the discussion eventually had to get around to sex.) not Cain "met her" as if I met you when visiting Knox.
Jewish records ONLY record the male names in generational lineage. This is why there are two separate lineages recorded for Jesus, one was to record His ancestry from King David through his mother Mary.Ralph,
Looks like your choice: back down the driveway to keep the devil in your sight or turn around and not worry. 
Tim Brien said:
Ralph, you accuse me of cowardice and feign insult on your person when I respond. The most damming statement I have made and it was a general comment, was the lack of credibility of the arguments given by the creationists. If you see that as insulting then maybe spend less time in your church and more time in the real world. As stated previously, you like to dish it out, but are offended whenever anyone points out inconsistencies in your logic.If your logic requires you to insult those who have an opposing view to you, then I feel that you are insecure in your beliefs. Exactly where have I personally insulted you?</blockquote>Tim,
You need to go back and read my posts.
I’ve made no references to Religion.
The fact is, there is no definitive proof of evolution, or creationism.
Evolution is a “theory” because it is not yet proven. There are several of you who are oblivious to this FACTAs for the bible, my statement was that if even IF the Bible was a fairy tale… It still does not rule out the POSSIBILITY of a creator.
What is narrow minded or lacking common sense in that statement? This is an entirely true statement.You invoke evolution…only when it serves your ends.
If evolution is possible…then it is also POSSIBLE that man at one time lived to be 1000 years old.
This is common sense.You don’t see this statement as insulting to all people living in this region?
“the ‘bible belt’ put George W. in office, not just one term, but two terms. That to me says it all about credibility.”
You state in no uncertain terms…that I have no credibility.
That is an insult. Back in the day…we would be dueling.You make many assumptions about me that are without any basis in fact.
You also seem to lack the understanding of the word “possible”.
I have not pushed any religious views on anyone.
Yet, you are ignorant enough to say maybe I need to spend less time in Church.
I am waiting for you to point out the first inconsistency in my logic. You have none.
My logic is straight up.
You’ve made several accusations…and have failed to back them up with evidence.
Instead you continue with the insults.
I’d be more than willing to compare my “real world” experience against yours.
Maybe one day I will be so fortunate.
Ralph
Tim Brien said:
Fred, no temperature given, but Wikpedia has information -
Tim opened an interesting can of works.
This one I like: According to the Talmud, the “burning” mentioned in the Bible was done by melting lead and pouring it down the convicted person’s throat, causing immediate death.
And this one is sure to piss off a few folks, too: The typical depictions of burnings show that the executioner would arrange a pile of wood around the condemned’s feet and calves, with supplementary small bundles of sticks and straw called [b]faggots[/b] at strategic intervals up their body.
Bart, an Aurora class starship will take out either of them, you know that!
My biggest fear is that all this is someone’s 8th grade science project.
Ralph Berg said:
.......Evolution is a “theory” because it is not yet proven. There are several of you who are oblivious to this FACT
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Ralph,
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