Large Scale Central

Promoting Large Scale

David Russell said:

Tim Brien said:

Jerry,
you have the skill to make what you cannot buy.

And so do you Tim so why not give it a rest? Have you READ thoroughly through this thread?

:wink:

David,
that is your name is it not. Yes, I am fortunate in actually being able to read. A definate advantage over some.

As regards, “give it a rest”. Well a little like the pot calling the kettle black. It seems you generally take a contrary stance by actually saying nothing. Maybe you have nothing to say but simply want to increase your posting count.

Edit: actually David, what you quoted I DID NOT say. Jerry DOES have the ability to make anything he wants, but you ‘quoted’ me for words that I did not state.

Cliff good ideas. I was that new guy and still am. I got started through forums like this one. The biggest thing is you cant be afraid to start a thread and ask questions. You have a few great questions in your post already. Yes a few guys might not like your questions, that’s fine, they can go cry in there corner. If the answer to your question has already been talked about then I’m sure someone will will be able to provide a link for you. A lot of what you mentioned is already their. Don’t be afraid to ask. Garden Railways made a video series and garden railroad on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTpaHKF3-VQ

I didn’t check but I bet there are others.

There are some great books on the market as well to help the new guy out. Don’t be afraid to send someone a personal message for one and one talk.

When I started I found the easiest way was to do everything simple. Just like the days running trains around the x-mas tree. Eventually little by little you will learn all the different ways and adopt to one that fits you. Just get some track down, hook the power up and watch the trains go. Im sure some will disagree with me but all I know is Im learning, having fun and run often. All with a full time job, married and 2 young ones.

Dont be afraid to start a thread.

Well, I’ve had open houses, talked to people. Had an article on it in the local paper and it all amounted to nothing. When I started the track was high priced, to me at the time, as everyone finds. I started with some track and one engine.

Since little was made back then I made my own streamlined passenger cars and a McKeen car. Later a live steam shay. That’s all I had for years. I feel anyone can make something, just start small. Sure you’ll make some mistakes, but that is how you learn. Stuff I make now is better than I did before. I have about 30 freight cars and see no need for anymore. Seldom run more than 10 car trains. I like passenger trains more.

I’ve kept my layout pretty simple and not too big, so I can take care of it. First few years were tough till the ground cover grew in. Now an hour or two a week usually takes care of weeding. Few hours a year for tree trimming. I think some get too ambitious and want a dream/large layout, then get frustrated. Start small with 100’ of track and see what you think.

I try to answer newbie questions and like to share what I’ve done in the hopes it will inspire others. Maybe people get tired of my posts. I find the building of things to be a bit more than the running. I don’t get wound up about the scale thing, have all sizes. I am a nut about code 250 track, I have to admit! :slight_smile:

Many of my locomotives just have one battery that moves it at the speed I want and an on/off switch or speed control. Makes it simple and cheap. I do have some R/C battery, some old Aristo TE stuff and lately got some MTH locos and DCS. Also Aristo LS Mike and my LS shay I made.

Jerry

Gentleman If I may give a Dealers Perspective I started in Trains in 2001 when track was low and saw the overnight increases in July of 2006. Through it all trackwas still selling and is still selling in fact some manufacturers even brought track pricing down close to the five dollar foot range. Now this is a higher price than 2001 but with some track demanding 7 to 8 dollers a foot it is nice to see some manufacturers making the adjustment to help the hobby. Second is the Lack of the Hobby shop in the equation When I opened in 2012 I was advised to keep everything on line for overhead what I found is that Young and old want the Experience of the HObby store I remember as a kid for information and help but were then willing to take that experience and Shop the Cheapest price on line. SO I had to sell the business on service and it is working We have just started Creating a Class schedule here at the store teaching things like Basic maintence and enhancing with accesory sound and Have partnered with Manufacturers in those fields to put them on. Second from the opening of the business I have instiuted a policy of going to open houses and Joining clubs seeing what members are doing and hearing what they really need from the store. I think these things are necessary in todays climate I no longer can wait for people to come in the door I have to go to them. I am 38 years old and started this business with the intent of being able to pass it on all it takes is a little work

  1. How do we help new modelers in Large Scale enjoy the hobby better and
  2. How do we encourage people to enter Large Scale

Having read this thread through it seems that the best way to promote an interest is to share it with others. The most popular method of sharing things these days is done via Facebook. If you aren’t on FB, get yourself an account. Then create a seperate page dedicated to your model railroad. Your friends, especially those who have no clue about model railroading, can see updates you post of projects you’re working on. Perhaps some of the photos you post will by the catalyst that piques interest and questions. Some of your friends friends may see it in the process. Their younger friends, their children and so on and so on. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Here is a good example of a model railroad some here may be familiar with:

https://www.facebook.com/TakasakiLightRailway?hc_location=stream

Lots of good points and ideas.
For me though, I’m here to enjoy the hobby not promote it. I know it sounds bad but honestly it’s true. I tried to start a module group within my club but they shot me down, hard. “They had one” they said but they never used it and wouldn’t let me use it either. So, I thought a few of us could band together and make one. A few being two… I invested a couple grand in building modules and even bought a trailer to haul it all. I would haul it to a show, my friend and I would set it up run it for two days then tear it down then haul it home. Rinse, repeat. It got old running trains in a circle for eight hours. The locos and rolling stock got damaged in transit and while being handled. Oh, and I had to take vacation time from work to do it.

I also don’t like to promote what’s in my backyard. Around here if “they” found out there was all that brass and aluminum laying around it would be gone in a second.

My 11 y/o daughter loves to run trains. She doesn’t like 1:1 trains though, she just likes running the models. She’s also into video games and electronics.
As far as my 7 y/o son goes he doesn’t have the patience for it. He’s good for one train, one way, then wants to run off. That’s ok with me as he gets older he’ll probly run more. If it’s not his thing that’s ok too.

As far as R/C cars go, kids (and me) love them because they are fun. They are fast, they jump, roll etc etc etc. Trains just go around track. I can totally see why they are drawn to them. I wish they had them when I was a kid but all I had was a crappy bachmann HO boxed set (which I loved). And when my kids get older they’ll say all we had were those crappy R/C cars we never had stuff like this! and on and on and on.

So, I don’t think the hobby is shrinking I would say more, defining itself. If any of us should be promoting it it should be the manufacturers and dealers. But to those of you who do, I tip my hat to you.

sorry for rambling
Terry

Terry,

I congratulate you for your honest opinion. I’m sure there are others who feel like you do.

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I hear ya’ Terry!

David Russell said:

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I hear ya’ Terry!

OOOOOOOOOOO Now thats just wrong David…

Cant we all just get along !!!

:slight_smile:

Nick S. said:

David Russell said:

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I hear ya’ Terry!

OOOOOOOOOOO Now thats just wrong David…

Cant we all just get along !!!

:slight_smile:

Won’t work, you ever seen the teeth on one of those things, yikes!

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Interesting thread…

In terms of bringing people into the hobby, there’s not much we can do. We can put up public displays and have information on where to buy stuff, resources (books, etc.) for beginners, but that’s about it. It’s the old “you can lead a horse to water…” thing. There’s nothing any of us can do to get them to take that first step. If they’re interested, they’ll seek it out. All we can do is put the idea out there.

That having been said, I’ve seen many times people who have taken that first step come to forums like this and be treated rudely for no other crime than asking a basic question, or asking a good question in a somewhat unrelated thread, or any number of “clueless newbie” offenses that have nothing to do with trains, but what we perceive a “forum etiquette.” I’ve seen similar “cold shoulders” turned on newcomers at club meetings. Is it any surprise they never come back?

How we treat people who come into our midst has an immeasurable impact on how they perceive the hobby, whether it’s here, or at our local club, open houses, public displays, even sitting next to someone on an airplane should the topic come up. And that impact is multiplied when it comes to children (and not just little kids, but young teens as well.)

We have no control over the prices of our trains or track. What we can do is show people how we’ve adapted to those costs, and how the hobby is enjoyable in the face of those challenges. Few of us are made from money. (I know I’m not.) Yet we’re all able to enjoy the hobby. It’s that enjoyment each of us gets on an individual basis we have to effectively present when newcomers wander along our paths. Each of us is here because we’re passionate about our hobby. If we can just communicate that passion without any of the baggage, then we’ll create a welcome environment. The rest is still up to them, but at least we’re showing them where the water is making sure there’s no one getting in their way so they can drink.

Later,

K

No secret to promotion – go to where the necessary support is already in action…Gardening Magazines.
Gee, what a novel thought. "Garden Railways? Hmmmm, the industry goes to the railroading aspect and ignores the over 50 choices in gardening publications.
– Feature photo stories
– How-to for beginners
– Retirement activity (see this month’s Garden RR retirement community layout)

and…
Where are the pictures of garden railroads in Home Depot, Lowes?
Where are the featured starter sets shown in Loews or Home Depot along with the photos of simple RR projects to animate the yard? PLUS: feature a hobby shop willing to display the same photos and order LS track, and starter sets.

They used to sell Big Hauler sets every Christmas at Orchard Hardware stores (OSH) here in California. Whatever wasn’t sold was blown out on Dec 26, usually for half price. I always believed that did a lot to spread the virus but one year OSH decided not to blow them out but stuffed them in a warehouse and the next Xmas out they came …showing the obvious abuse of a year in storage. That was the last year they had them. Now its only seriously crapmaster China no name battery toyis sets.

I wonder how well the new Lil Hauler sets might sell today at OSH, Home Depot or other big box type locations.

I have to agree with Kevin. You can have all the shows etc… you want. If someone is interested, then they will pursue the hobby. I didn’t know about Garden Railroads until I purchased my firs G scale train set and started doing research on my own. It was not shows or clubs that got me started.

Shawn Viggiano said:

I have to agree with Kevin. You can have all the shows etc… you want. If someone is interested, then they will pursue the hobby. I didn’t know about Garden Railroads until I purchased my firs G scale train set and started doing research on my own. It was not shows or clubs that got me started.

And what inspired you to purchase your first set?

For me it was a trip to Niagara Hobbies in the late 90’s and seeing their huge Large Scale display. I purchased a copy of Steam in the Garden that day and the dream was born. I was already a rail fan and a model RR enthusiast. I had 027 when I was growing up and HO later in life.

Terry, two thumbs up on your rambling!

Lots of truisms here.

I am especially upset at one thread where a newcomer asked a question, and 2 posters started ranting at each other! They are not the people I have met here. I have met some great guys online and in person. They are all willing to help with ideas and “mistakes I made, so you don’t have to”.

It would be nice to have time to go out and promote the hobby. As a kid, I remember the bank lobby, the hobby shop, and the hardware stores all having Christmas time layouts. I looked forward to it just like the trip to the car dealer every September to check out the new model year.

We had a meeting last week for our upcoming Holiday Show to raise money to move the Milltown Station. Mostly Lionel, and my G Gauge layouts. My point was that the people look at it and say “That’s nice.” We need to get them to say “I can do that.” There is a newcomer 11 year old who wants to set up his O Gauge Raritan River Railroad. He needs to talk to other kids to get across the idea “See, I did this, and you can, too.” That’s how we grow the hobby.

“And what inspired you to purchase your first set?”

For my dad and I, it was a display at Woburn Abbey in England in the mid 70s. We saw the trains running outside in the rain, and dad thought that was pretty cool. We later saw the trains for sale at Hamley’s in London, so when we got back stateside, dad sent his brother (stationed there with the Air Force) a check with the instructions to buy us some trains and send them back. The rest, as they say, is history.

Later,

K

Jon Radder said:

Shawn Viggiano said:

I have to agree with Kevin. You can have all the shows etc… you want. If someone is interested, then they will pursue the hobby. I didn’t know about Garden Railroads until I purchased my firs G scale train set and started doing research on my own. It was not shows or clubs that got me started.

And what inspired you to purchase your first set?

For me it was a trip to Niagara Hobbies in the late 90’s and seeing their huge Large Scale display. I purchased a copy of Steam in the Garden that day and the dream was born. I was already a rail fan and a model RR enthusiast. I had 027 when I was growing up and HO later in life.

I got into trains because my dad always had trains around the Christmas tree and from time to time we would set the trains up on a board in the basement. It was mainly Lionel. Then at the time our local Jamesway had n scale train sets (Bachmann) for a real good prices so I switched to n scale. I never had a real layout because I didn’t have the knowledge to fix bad connections etc… and I never had the space. I would just set the n scale up on my dresser or around a christmas tree I had in my room. I also remember my local True Value store had a section devoted to trains. They had everything from o to g scale. I remember spending, what seemed ike hours, looking at the trains, mainly the G scale and wanting the G scale because of the size. As a kid I could not afford it. It took getting a full time job, getting married and having kids to rekindle my love for trains. One day I was looking at a catalog (the sportsman guide) and saw a good deal on a buddy L train set. I ordered it because it was something I always wanted as a kid. I got it mainly to run around the Christmas tree. I did not have the space for anything permanent. The Buddly L set ended up being junk so I started to research G scale trains. It was through Google that got me the links to garden railroad sites and forums like this. From that point on it the addiction started. I was not until later that I went to shows and joined a club. I thought I was the only one in my area with a garden layout. Later I found out there is a bunch like me.

I guess my biggest inspiration was building that Lionel layout on top of a board with my dad and running trains around the Christmas tree. It was not the shows that got me into it. My dad comes from that generation where he grew up around trains. Whether it be Lionel or the real thing. It was the chain stores that got me to by my first G scale. You don’t see that anymore. The lack of hobby stores does not help.

And there you go. I really think there must be some deep seated desire to get involved with model railroading. I do not think putting trains in garden centers or gardening magazines will spark more than a casual interest there.