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#1

INTERESTING— but then those presidents cared about the USA- and didn’t worry about the votes they were losing!

Subject: HOOVER AND EISENHOWER

    Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.  I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.  But, back

during the Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

    And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.2 million Mexican nationals!  The program was called "Operation Wetback" so that American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs.   It took 2 years, but they deported them!

    Now, if they could deport the illegals back then, they can sure do it today!!   If you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter

Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

    Reminder:  Don't forget to pay your taxes... 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!
#2

Even tho I agree that the illegals should not be here… I would like to correct a couple of misconceptions.

In the 30’s and 50’s the illegals only worked the fields and other such jobs for cash.

Currently, the majority of the illegals work in our factories or other such occupations that bring in a paycheck. Yes, they are illegal. Yes, they do have a fake SSN card. Do the employers care? Nope! Very hard workers for minimal wages.

Now, for the real reason our government is not doing anything about them. They are paying taxes. Lots and lots of tax’s. Up front, taken out of the paycheck before they get it.

Think about it… They are putting big bucks into our crappy Social Security System that they will never be able to draw from.

They are putting the big bucks into our unemployment funds. Know any illegals on unemployment? Nope! They can’t collect. And they would rather work.

Remember, we are talking "illegals’ not the persons born here.

The correct statement would be: 12 million illegal aliens are paying tax’s to support our crappy Social Security System and the Americans that don’t want to work.

Can’t think of any reason our government would want to expel them… Can you?

Craig

#3

Craig -

I don’t know about where you live, but here most illegals work for cash under the table, No taxes being paid by anyone, The majority of the aliens working in menal jobs at places like MacDonalds do have work papers and are legal aliens. They pay taxes, and get refunds including EIC if they qualify.

I’m not saying that no-one here works with fake papers, it’s just not common. Especially when there is plenty of cash work available.

#4

I am not disagreeing with anyone… but the statement ‘Don’t forget to pay your taxes… 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!’ is totally wrong!!!

Well… I don’t want to burst your bubble. You are right, the legal ones work for Micky D’s and other such places that have a lot of people looking over their shoulder. And being legal, they do pay tax’s.

The illegals around here (hoosierland) work for paychecks. A smaller percentage work for cash. Very seasonal and not something you can count on.

The subject was illegals paying tax’s. The cash paying jobs no American will work. So, they are doing some American a favor. Actually, almost all of us with lower priced food, service, landscaping and housekeeping…

The ones working jobs with paychecks are bankrolling our complacent, turning a blind eye, government.

Without going into great detail… One of the loopholes our Government will not close is the one that says in order to qualify for medical benefits, one must be a full time employee. Every company that hires illegals always lays them off for a month or two. They do not collect unemployment. They do not have medical benefits. They will not receive any Social Security.

“I’m not saying that no-one here works with fake papers, it’s just not common.” LOL! Better take a better look around. The only ones ‘wanting’ to work for minimum wage are the illegals…

#5

HI craig. Now one thing you forgot. Once the illegals have a baby in this country then there kid will get social security if something happend to mom or dad. serviver benifets. Its a funny thing how the gov works. Also, illegals can get public aid. like food stamps and such. So, its not that just the 12 million illegals that need the money its all the people that free load off the US gov that need the money. When I ran my own landscape business I use to get people tell me all the time it was easyer to stay home and get paid them to come do this work and they would quit.

So your right the only ones will to work for minimum wage are the illegals but they are also finding ways to milk are system at the same time so they are making more then minimum wage. And Mo is not that far from IN. so it can’t be all that different for you there then it is here.

#6

Please understand I believe in the US system of government, but do you know what your government and representatives are allowing? Don’t take my word for it, write your Congressman and Senator and get the answer for yourself. Please just don’t ever say, NO ONE EVER TOLD ME. Now that we have your attention -

If the immigrant is over 65 they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than my mom gets for

Social Security, and she worked from 1944 till 2004, only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924

and there is a “catch 22”.

              It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly

allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also obtain an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of

$2,470.00/month.

              This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and

development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age

pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

               Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

               Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the

refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470.00 and enjoy some of the money we were

forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

              Please forward to every American to expose what our elected politicians (Nancy P. included) have

been doing over the past 11 years - to the over-taxed American.

              SEND THIS TO EVERY AMERICAN TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

NOW back to trains and enjoying the American life, only so much time can be spent worrying about the future,

enjoy every day and live it like it going to be your last.

#7

Deport them all.

My ancestors came to the states and became American citizens. They were proud to be Americans. They worked hard. They paid there just dues. They made American products. They bought American products. They ALL served America in one branch of the military or another. They all fought wars far away from home and family for the freedom(s) of America. They all came home and continued to be proud Americans. They produced babies that grew to be proud American citizens. They grew old watching their children grow into proud American citizens. They died with the knowledge that they did their part in keeping the cycle of proud American’s alive and well for centuries to come. We have done this for generations now. We will never stop. We are Americans.

Jon.

#8

On PBS last Friday, there was some incisive commentary on “The News Hour” about the meaning of “recession” and whether or not the US is in one.

Three issues were identified as being the major contributors to the economic problems the US is experiencing: the home loans crisis, health care and energy costs. According to the PBS commentators these three issues, taken together, are having an impact on Americans the like of which hasn’t been seen in our lifetimes.

The immigration issue has been the subject of much recent discussion on this forum. How much of an issue would it be if the US wasn’t experiencing such huge problems with sub-prime home loans, an aging population requiring increased levels of health care and energy costs that are spiralling out of control?

With the exception of the national security implications, I’m guessing illegal immigration wouldn’t be stirring emotions in the same way if the US was enjoying the same economic prosperity it enjoyed during most of the past twenty years.

Craig’s comment makes sense:
"The correct statement would be: 12 million illegal aliens are paying tax’s to support our crappy Social Security System and the Americans that don’t want to work.

Can’t think of any reason our government would want to expel them… Can you?"

Absolutely - get’ em on the tax rolls! And why would anyone want to expel people who are now, and have been for decades, doing jobs no American will touch, and doing those jobs for the minimum wage (if they’re lucky)?

#9

Great to hear from the liberals in this forum that want to save the ILLEGALS. Since they’re ILLEGALS for a reason. Now before we hear anymore from the liberals let’s get with Paul Harvey and get the rest of the story else we start hearing that we should cede the country.
Dave

#10

Ric,

I’m not disputing you ,but where did you get these figures ?

Ric Golding said:
Please understand I believe in the US system of government, but do you know what your government and representatives are allowing? Don't take my word for it, write your Congressman and Senator and get the answer for yourself. Please just don't ever say, NO ONE EVER TOLD ME. Now that we have your attention -

If the immigrant is over 65 they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than my mom gets for

Social Security, and she worked from 1944 till 2004, only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924

and there is a “catch 22”.

              It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly

allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also obtain an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of

$2,470.00/month.

              This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and

development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age

pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

               Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

               Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the

refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470.00 and enjoy some of the money we were

forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

              Please forward to every American to expose what our elected politicians (Nancy P. included) have

been doing over the past 11 years - to the over-taxed American.

              SEND THIS TO EVERY AMERICAN TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

NOW back to trains and enjoying the American life, only so much time can be spent worrying about the future,

enjoy every day and live it like it going to be your last.

#11

If you liberals love the “Illegals” so much…why don’t you adopt them and gat them out of my pocket?

WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR?
Illegal Aliens Cause Massive Cuts For US Seniors
December 4, 2007
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until
they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I
have included the URL’s for verification of the following facts:

  1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each
    year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

  2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
    as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/f iscalexec.html

  3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/ articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

  4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

  5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born
    children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

  6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

  7. 30% percent of all Federal Priso n inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

  8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and
    Social Services by the American taxpayers.
    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

  9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
    the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

  10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
    US . http://transcripts.cnn.com/

  11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
    crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
    Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
    and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland
    Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

  12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass
    deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
    between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’
    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

  13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
    their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

  14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
    Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '.
    http://www.drdsk…com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping… $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

Snopes is provided for doubters:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp

And what brought on our concern for Illegal Immigrants…does the date 9/11 ring a bell???

#12

how about we take the 12 million illegals, ship them to Iraq have them serve 4 tours and if or when they come home they can stay as americans so long as they can speek english.

One word says it all “Illegal” as in breaking the law.

I don’t care about all the other numbers. It is a matter of just one number. 1 illegal immigrant driving 1 car ran 1 red light went over a sidewalk and killed 1 person doing nothing more then having lunch. What is said is that the same illegal immigrant had been give a ticket for driving with no insurance and no licence a few weeks before. To bad the officer could not have done something more then just give a ticket at that time.

Now just so you know this happend in Clayton Mo last summer.

#13

Bryan,

You asked - “I’m not disputing you ,but where did you get these figures ?”

I got it off the internet, so you know it must be true. :wink:

Very seriously, it was sent to me as an email. I do not declare the facts are true, however my mother was born in 1924 and I called and asked what her SS amount was and it is just about the amount stated. I have contacted Congressman Shimkus’s office and asked them to verify the other info. I can’t verify the info, but I am trying to and if you go back and read the start of this part of the posting, that is exactly what I suggested we all do.

The statement that there are too many illegals in the Country and it would be imposssible to deport all of them is unacceptable to me. The way to do it, is one at a time, while going after the peple that are supporting them through illegal jobs or paying them under the table. The little business I run employees 15 people. I have to keep I-9 forms on all of them and yet everyone of them was born in this county, plus complete payroll and tax records. My accountants would go nuts, if I couldn’t account for every dollar. I have to keep complete records on a part time employee hired for one hour of work for at least 7 years. I think it is not unreasonable to ask that of other employers. This might just be a strange Midwest thing.

#14
Ric Golding said:
The little business I run employees 15 people. I have to keep I-9 forms on all of them and yet everyone of them was born in this county, plus complete payroll and tax records. My accountants would go nuts, if I couldn't account for every dollar. I have to keep complete records on a part time employee hired for one hour of work for at least 7 years. I think it is not unreasonable to ask that of other employers. This might just be a strange Midwest thing.
Fair comment. If all employers followed the rules, there would be no illegal immigrant problem. They wouldn't come, because they couldn't work.

If we accept that your observation about employers is accurate, why is the emphasis in this debate (and not just on this forum) about illegal immigrants? Why isn’t there an even greater degree of indignation about those who profit from their labour?

Maybe it’s because the US economy would grind to a halt without people willing to do the menial, minimum-wage jobs that have to be done. Maybe it’s because some employers, unlike you, can’t find Americans willing to do those jobs. Maybe it’s because most of us know that’s the case.

It’s refreshing to note your tongue-in-cheek attitude toward the Interent as a source of accurate information, especially in light of some of the references Ken is putting forward as authoritative. I say “some” because I’ve not taken the time to look at all of the sites he’s linked, just a few.

I’ll be sticking to US public TV shows like “The News Hour” for fair-minded, even-handed treatment of domestic and foreign policy issues.

#15

Earn a dollar here and its worth $10.00 there, and health care is less, hispanic guy told me a $20,000 operation was around $8,000 there. So they earn dollars here and become millionaires there! Get It? Still believe like Jay Leno said one nite on show, "Build a 3000 mile long Wal Mart along the border no need to come across to here then? LOL Right?

#16

“Fair comment. If all employers followed the rules, there would be no illegal immigrant problem. They wouldn’t come, because they couldn’t work.”

An interesting part of this whole argument is “following the rules”. I am not an owner. My wife is one of the partners that owns the marina, but I’m not. It is all legal mumble jumble, but if I was a managing partner I would have some legal liability, therefore I am the manager. Just another employee of the company. My job is to perform my job safely, economically and legally with a primary concern to not do something that is unethical. If I would not obey the law, a simple excuse and a simple resolution is to fire the manager and hire someone that will not cause the company to get in trouble with the legal or ethical questions. My only goal is to protect the investment of my partners and be profitable. But protecting the investment is a huge part of the job.

I think a lot of the unethical questions come in to play by owners that only want to make a profit and therefore make the unethical decisions or managment that wants to impress the stockholders and make that profit at whatever the cost. My wife’s partners, that are also many of my customers, want a clean, secure, well maintained faciltiy to bring their families and friends. They want their boats to be safe and well maintained. They do not want to be associated with a facility that might have a bad reputation and therefore may not allow them to show off their boat or impress their friends. We have plenty of cheap places around where you can store your boat for a lot less money. Most of Jan’s partners are big time lawyers, doctors and engineers. In 18 years, none of them are willing to tell me to do something unethical, unsafe or illegal. If they did, I wouldn’t be working for them. And I ask nothing less of any of our employees.

We operate under four very simple rules -

  1. Keep it safe
  2. Keep it clean.
  3. Satisfy the U. S. Army, Corps of Engineers, because they hold our lease.
  4. Satisfy the Customer.
#17
Ric Golding said:
We operate under four very simple rules - 1. Keep it safe 2. Keep it clean. 3. Satisfy the U. S. Army, Corps of Engineers, because they hold our lease. 4. Satisfy the Customer.
We operate under, or rather try to with varying degrees of success, Ten Simple Rules that have stood the test of time.
#18

What I find ironic in this whole discussion is the fact that those that question certain “authoritative reports” that are put forth from independent study groups completely disregard the figures, yet at the same time offer their opinion that this country would go to hell in a hand basket if illegal immigrants were deported with out a single shred of documentation to back up their claim. I haven’t seen a company yet that went out business because “no one would do the work”! If I offered up anything that I heard on PBS it would certainly be “tongue in cheek”!

If only the Illegal Immigrants would “operate under the rules”, we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

#19
Ken Brunt said:
What I find ironic in this whole discussion is the fact that those that question certain "authoritative reports" that are put forth from independent study groups completely disregard the figures, yet at the same time offer their opinion that this country would go to hell in a hand basket if illegal immigrants were deported with out a single shred of documentation to back up their claim. I haven't seen a company yet that went out business because "no one would do the work"! If I offered up anything that I heard on PBS it would certainly be "tongue in cheek"!

If only the Illegal Immigrants would “operate under the rules”, we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.


SO true. Because if they followed the rules they would not be illegal.

#20
Ken Brunt said:
What I find ironic in this whole discussion is the fact that those that question certain "authoritative reports" that are put forth from independent study groups completely disregard the figures, yet at the same time offer their opinion that this country would go to hell in a hand basket if illegal immigrants were deported with out a single shred of documentation to back up their claim. I haven't seen a company yet that went out business because "no one would do the work"! If I offered up anything that I heard on PBS it would certainly be "tongue in cheek"!

If only the Illegal Immigrants would “operate under the rules”, we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.


If the links you posted are to what you define as “independent study groups”, our only possible area of agreement will be about the meaning of “groups”.

That’s right - I don’t offer any documentation to support what would happen to the US economy if all illegal immigrants were deported. I regard any such “documentation”, positive or negative, as purely speculative.

The only way we’ll ever know for absolutely sure and certain if deporting all illegal immigrants would send the US “to hell in a hand basket” is to do it. That’s why I said “maybe” when referring to the US economy grinding to a halt. I accept “maybe not” is also a logical possibility.

The root of our disagreement has more to do with why you’re more interested in exploring the “maybe not” piece than I am. That’s likely down to different life experiences more than anything else.

I’m surprised by your comment about PBS. The only outfit I know of that’s been hammering “The News Hour” lately is the NY Times, and I wouldn’t have thought that’s your kind of newspaper. I’m curious to know why you feel this way.