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#21

Dave,

I really “don’t have a dog in this fight”, but the “Public Broadcasting System” - PBS and the “National Public Radio” - NPR are both known to be liberal camps of people wanting to steal tax dollars for their private use instead of working for a living by trying to misguide young skulls of mush and create the next generation of Liberals.

Both PBS and NPR are certainly a one sided view point of life in the United States. I won’t even let my grandkids watch Sesame Street, when they are at my house. They do need an alternate view point, because they sure get enough of that excrement at their homes, schools and other places.

We play trains and use our imagination, instead of them being told that Sheila’s Two Moms is normal.

Well, guess I just entered my dog in the fight. :wink:

#22

We play trains and use our imagination, instead of them being told that Sheila’s Two Moms is normal.

Amen to that Ric !

#23

My point of view centers mainly on National Security and the threats from overseas terrorists groups that can just as easily cross the border as anyone.

http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

Add to the fact these other issues of government largesse in subsidizing these “Illegals” with my hard earned tax dollars and the argument that we need these people to do the “menial jobs” when all the evidence I’ve seen proves that theory wrong, so yes, I’d say it amounts to “different life experience’s” than yours. I’d much rather see my money going to tighter border security than have the government play “Robin Hood” and steal from the rich to give to the poor. As it’s been stated previously, my ancestors and and everyone else’s in this country had to go through the Immigration process legally in order to live and work in this country, why should anyone crossing our southern borders be any different?

And Thank You, Ric for addressing the NPR and PBS issue so much more diplomaticly than I…:wink:

#24
Ric Golding said:
I really "don't have a dog in this fight", but the "Public Broadcasting System" - PBS and the "National Public Radio" - NPR are both known to be liberal camps of people wanting to steal tax dollars for their private use instead of working for a living by trying to misguide young skulls of mush and create the next generation of Liberals.

Both PBS and NPR are certainly a one sided view point of life in the United States. I won’t even let my grandkids watch Sesame Street, when they are at my house. They do need an alternate view point, because they sure get enough of that excrement at their homes, schools and other places.

We play trains and use our imagination, instead of them being told that Sheila’s Two Moms is normal.

Well, guess I just entered my dog in the fight. :wink:


Chuckle! Sheila’s Two Moms? Good grief!

I used to watch “Sesame Street” and “Play School” with our kids 20+ years ago, and enjoyed both shows (the latter is Australian) at least as much as they did. I can’t remember ever seeing anything I would have regarded as remotely offensive. However, I’ll go with your opinion, in part because my experience is out of date and in part because I know my grandsons’ parents also have reservations about American TV in general and “Sesame Street” in particular.

However, I completely disagree with you about “The News Hour”. When my Mom had a stroke in '99, I came over to the US to give her a hand. Among other things, that meant staying with her and watching the TV shows she liked. “The News Hour” was at the top of the list. I had seen it before, but not often, and I came to like it.

Mom is a registered Republican, and her political views reflect that affiliation. However, she has always enjoyed a vigorous exchange of opinion. I think she likes “The News Hour” for that reason - she can cheer on the speakers whose arguments she agrees with, and spit fire at those with whom she differs.

I’m occasionally influenced by viewpoints on “The News Hour” different from my own, as was the case a few months back when a speaker put forward an argument supporting the “surge” in Iraq that at first seemed unsustainable, but with which I later came to agree with. When Senators Hegel and Biden both returned from Pakistan speaking favourably about Pervez Musharraf, it caused me to reconsider my attitude towards him. I find Shields and Brooks banging heads over US politics interesting, though I can understand why someone to whom the labels “liberal” or “conservative” have quasi-religious connotations might find one or the other offensive.

After the NY Times questioned the relevance of PBS, the network received thousands of eMails from Americans all over the country, the vast majority of whom were supportive. The “Times” itself has received over 800 eMails, again overwhelmingly positive about PBS. While I’d accept the logical possibility that all of these correspondents have identical political persuasions, I’d suggest it’s unlikely.

#25
Ken Brunt said:
My point of view centers mainly on National Security and the threats from overseas terrorists groups that can just as easily cross the border as anyone.

http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

Add to the fact these other issues of government largesse in subsidizing these “Illegals” with my hard earned tax dollars and the argument that we need these people to do the “menial jobs” when all the evidence I’ve seen proves that theory wrong, so yes, I’d say it amounts to “different life experience’s” than yours. I’d much rather see my money going to tighter border security than have the government play “Robin Hood” and steal from the rich to give to the poor. As it’s been stated previously, my ancestors and and everyone else’s in this country had to go through the Immigration process legally in order to live and work in this country, why should anyone crossing our southern borders be any different?

And Thank You, Ric for addressing the NPR and PBS issue so much more diplomaticly than I…:wink:


Looks like we were typing synchronously - good morning to you!

We concur on the national security implications. That said, a lot of WASPs labelled the Irish a national security threat in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Some of that stuff seems almost comical today, but it was deadly serious then.

Yep, different life experiences. I am comfortable with that.

NPR I don’t know about, PBS I do, and we have totally different takes on it. From the URLs you posted, I gather you rely on folks who support your point of view for information. I prefer informed debate, irrespective of political affiliation. That’s why I read what you and Golding have to say, and accept that pieces of it make sense (small pieces).

#26

and good evening to you too…:wink:

I guess if you consider the House Committee on Homeland Security and published government figures on the cost to us taxpayers to support and subsidize “Illegals” as supporting my point of view, then yes, I do rely on it. It doesn’t matter to me who publishes it, a lot of what I read I take with a few grains of salt as possible, but if more than one source confirms it, then I usually believe it. And none of what I hear on the news media do I take seriously!

The differences between the Irish and the WASP’s was purely a discrimination issue as Irish immigrants were in this country “legally” and chose to escape the repression they confronted at home. The Germans, Italians, and other ethnic groups encountered the same problems on their arrival. They banded together to protect themselves and eventually assimilated themselves into the American culture. Asians on the west coast went through the same thing as lately as 1942. What I see with the southern border problem is that some of their off-spring, which activist judges have ruled as native born american citizens contrary to what’s stated in the U.S. Constitution, are creating all kinds of mischief in their high schools by raising Mexican flags, and claiming to take back parts of the US and put it under Mexican rule again. If Mexico was such a great place live, why on earth did they leave it to begin with? And since when is Cinque de Mayo a big deal in this country? All this taken together is what most people find galling to say the least. Granted, it’s only a few causing the mischief, but if deporting the “illegals” solves the problem, then I’m all for it.

If you were anywhere familiar with the U.S Constitution, you’d more than likely find all of it makes sense. It was written for a purpose and over the last one hundred years or so that purpose has been so corrupted by politicians and un-elected judges as to be unrecognizable, as has our system of government. That’s where the heart of my beef about all this lays.

#27
Dave Healy said:
When Senators Hegel and Biden both returned from Pakistan speaking favorably(sic) about Pervez Musharraf, it caused me to reconsider my attitude towards him.
When Hegel and Biden both speak favorably about anyone, it is good reason to think unfavorably of that individual. :D
Dave Healy said:
From the URLs you posted, I gather you rely on folks who support your point of view for information. I prefer informed debate, irrespective of political affiliation. That's why I read what you and Golding have to say, and accept that pieces of it make sense (small pieces).
Dave, you pick and choose from folks who support your point of view for your information, so what is the difference? That is like the pot calling the kettle black. Try not to be "holier than thou," it does not become you.

I am enjoying the debate. At least this one is not “over.”

#28
Steve Featherkile said:
Dave Healy said:
When Senators Hegel and Biden both returned from Pakistan speaking favorably(sic) about Pervez Musharraf, it caused me to reconsider my attitude towards him.
When Hegel and Biden both speak favorably about anyone, it is good reason to think unfavorably of that individual. :D
Dave Healy said:
From the URLs you posted, I gather you rely on folks who support your point of view for information. I prefer informed debate, irrespective of political affiliation. That's why I read what you and Golding have to say, and accept that pieces of it make sense (small pieces).
Dave, you pick and choose from folks who support your point of view for your information, so what is the difference? That is like the pot calling the kettle black. Try not to be "holier than thou," it does not become you.

I am enjoying the debate. At least this one is not “over.”


I have a lot of respect for the viewpoints of Senators Hegel, Biden and many other US (and Australian) politicians, and I’m prepared to listen to what they have to say. I’ll take the smiley to mean “tongue in cheek”, in which case may your toes freeze and the tip of your nose drop off before a single flake of your already inordinate amount of snow melts.

Steve, you cannot even begin to comprehend how guilty I have been over the years of “holier than thou”, blatant hypocrisy and pot-kettle-black-calling. I just laugh, shake my head and then, in the words of the Steely Dan classic, “do it again”. However, you are wrong on two counts:

  1. This behaviour does become me. I know this because my wife has told me, many times, that I am a holier-than-thou, hypocritcal, pot-kettle-black-calling person (actually, she doesn’t often say “person”). Since she has stuck with me for over 30 years, I figure I must be doing something right.

  2. Sometimes, watching “The News Hour” or one of our Australian news shows, I grit my teeth when some speaker expresses a view I strongly disagree with. Normally, though, I’ll sit through it. Very occasionally (as happened with the guy supporting the surge in Iraq) I’ll reflect on what’s been said and change my point of view. As far as the surge is concerned, there’s evidence that the speaker was right and I was wrong. Why wouldn’t I adjust my thinking on the issue?

It’s untrue that I “pick and choose from folks who support [my] point of view for [my] information”. I’ll listen to anyone who’s prepared to make a rational case the logic of which I can follow, especially if I disagree with it. That is why I like “The News Hour” - it provides exactly that. It’s also why I like this forum.

#29

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, do you get “The O’reilly Factor,” down there? If you were to watch that, I might believe your “fairness” argument.

The “New Hour,” is, without a doubt, the most looney left news program on the air, with the possible exception of anything NBC puts out.

#30

Hey those Irish peices of crap can and should be sent back too damn it, friggin widebacks put all the narrow back italians outta construction work in these parts

lol

happy st. patricks day to all you italians and scottish

#31
Mark Dash said:
Hey those Irish peices of crap can and should be sent back too damn it, friggin widebacks put all the narrow back italians outta construction work in these parts

lol

happy st. patricks day to all you italians and scottish


Ireland wouldn’t want us back, nor could they properly handle it. :wink:

#32

Ric,

Now that sounds like a case of Super Blarney! :lol:

#33
Ken Brunt said:
If you were anywhere familiar with the U.S Constitution, you'd more than likely find all of it makes sense. It was written for a purpose and over the last one hundred years or so that purpose has been so corrupted by politicians and un-elected judges as to be unrecognizable, as has our system of government. That's where the heart of my beef about all this lays.
I probably know more than the average bear about the US Constitution because I insisted on majoring in History, with a specialisation in US history and a particular interest in the post-Revolution period. My main paper was on the Whiskey Rebellion, which I mention only out of kindness, to give all of the jokers on this forum a free kick.

I went with what I loved, without much thought about the career implications (or lack of them), and I’ve never regretted the decision.

One of the many strokes of genius of the Founding Fathers lay in the flexibility they built into the system. The Bill of Rights wouldn’t have been possible without it. No freedom of speech, no right to bear arms - shall I go on?

I propose we rebuild Mt. Rushmore, leaving Washington and Lincoln only. Remember when February 12th and 22nd were public holidays? There was a reason for that!