Large Scale Central

Operating on the "TimeSaver" at Train Shows

When we have the Timesaver set up at train shows like the ECLSTS, we use Dice to decide what cars will be chosen in our local and switched at “J Allen”. Cars only go to certain locations and like cars are exchanged for like cars. That is a box car for a box car and a coal hopper for a coal hopper, each at its own designated spot. I use an Aristo Craft Crossing Shanty as our Dice Cup. The Aristo Craft small buildings are used as Flag Stops through out the KVRwy. I carefully pried the top off the building and added a floor to make the cup. Hopefully with these pictures, I can explain how we “roll the bones”. First, we decided how many cars will be in our train. In this case it is 3.

The 3 dice go in the Flag Stop cup, give it a shake and produce your manifest.

Each type of car is assigned a number, 1 through 6. So our manifest is going to be a flat car, a reefer and a box car. With this we make up our train from the cars in the “Inglenook Yard”. We head for the “Timesaver” to deliver our cars, with each type of car having an assigned location. If you do not have a car of the proper type in the Inglenook yard. Say a flat car. You still bring a flat car back on your return trip. A legend is kept on the bottom of the building for easy reference.

1’s used to be box cars, but long ago I was reminded that 6’s are “box cars”, so that adjustment was made. That was suggest by a guy named Miller back on January 19, 2003 and is still called the “Miller Mod”. And the fun continues. PICTURES RESTORED - Ric 2/14/12 (if you ever notice my pictures missing, please let me know. Sometimes I have them.)

Looks a lot like a game in Vages ric. How much do we have to pay to play?

Thanks for this info Ric. I look forward to getting to try it sometime soon I hope.

Ric,
Hope to meet you and see the Timesaver one day.
Maybe next year.
Ralph

Ralph,

It sure would be fun. The best part of this hobby are the people you meet. :wink: There are people we shouldn’t tell that we plan to be rolling some dice.

Ralph Berg said:
Ric, Hope to meet you and see the Timesaver one day. Maybe next year. Ralph

I posted this on another thread about scoring these puzzles, but I think it’d be easier for folks to find if I post it here too. Thus yar’s a pic I believe to be of one of John Allen’s Timesavers in a museum setting, and just what kind of uncoupling ramps those are I do not know… But all reports say they used ramps… With acknowledgements to the G&D Yahoo group, and I’m afraid I don’t know where the pic was taken in the first place either. Now you know as much as I do!

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/choochoo_chaboogie/_forumfiles/timesaver.jpg)

Now John, I don’t know if you do know as much as I do. Do you know that our leader here called me “EVIL” for my interest in the “Timesaver”? That I have led young children and old men down a path of destruction for introducing them to a fun part of the hobby?

Evil, just plain evil.

"The seed of evil has now bloomed into a poisonous plant.

So all these folks have these Timesavers of all shapes and sizes built into their layouts all across the country. And eventually, some of them get bored with watching the trains chase their tails, and want to do something else with their layouts. They start to do some sort of basic operations, which is working great until they get to the Timesaver. And after an hour or so trying to move a boxcar in and out of the mess that is the Timesaver, they get frustrated and decide to go fishing or watch TV instead. I wonder if this isn’t one of those things that has given operation as bad name for so many years."

For the full story that Bob used to hide the malicious attack, you need to read all of this.

http://www.housatonicrr.com/yard_des.html

Of course, unless you read all of it and the attachments, you may not find the source of his diatribe against the finer points of a fun involvement in the hobby for many people and even little kids that just want to hold a throttle. But NO we have to slander the source of their fun. Do you think those “roundy-round” guys will let the kids touch their toy trains? "You can bet your corroded epoxy plastic dissolving into slime barrel, they won’t.

http://www.housatonicrr.com/timesaver.htm

Will I hold it against him? I’m not that type of person.

The Timesaver ala John Allen used HO Scale Baker Couplers and ramps…

As long as we realize that the Timesaver is a puzzle or a game, and is not intended to represent an operational yard, we’ll get along fine. It is a fun game.

Ducking and running for cover. Shields up! Evasive maneuvers!

Steve Featherkile said:
As long as we realize that the Timesaver is a puzzle or a game, and is not intended to represent an operational yard, we'll get along fine. It is a fun game.

Ducking and running for cover. Shields up! Evasive maneuvers!


Steve, I agree, but EVIL? I’m hurt, truly hurt. You try to get people to quit running in circles and you get called EVIL. :wink:

Here’s a couple of old guys fiddling around with a Timesaver.
http://www.largescalecentral.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=2741

Rats. Found this on the homepage, but it is not a .jpg.

It’s “evil” only because some folks think it is how a yard should be designed, then they wonder why it is so hard to operate and soon loose interest.

It is not “evil” if it is used as a game, like you use it.

Alright, if some one actually has a picture of me encouraging Rooster, maybe I am a little evil, but just a little. I know that guy in the background that AndyC has conspired with many times and done many corrupt things. Oh the stories we could tell. Old pictures, should be locked in drawers.

Steve Featherkile said:
It’s “evil” only because some folks think it is how a yard should be designed, then they wonder why it is so hard to operate and soon loose interest. It is not “evil” if it is used as a game, like you use it.

Steve, yes we use it standalone at York

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/rgolding/090331%20004.jpg)

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/rgolding/090331%20006.jpg)

and its part of our layout in the basement

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/rgolding/011605%20040.jpg)

but , we also hook it up to the end of the Gateway Club’s modular layout.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/rgolding/081005%20003.jpg)

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/rgolding/081005%20004.jpg)

But its purely for medicinal purposes, just like that “evil rum”.

Ric Golding said:
Alright, if some one actually has a picture of me encouraging Rooster
I do!...... Your great great Grandmother would have kicked your butt if she new you were playing dice! ;) It's all good Ric and LSC RULES! :)
Bart Salmons said:
The Timesaver ala John Allen used HO Scale Baker Couplers and ramps....
Well Bart, I did know that too, and I've even seen a real live Baker coupler, but I've never seen a Baker ramp.

I don’t recognize the ramps in the picture either. To my eye they look as if they might even be sawn-off Kadee magnets, so I thought, “OK, this is a later Timesaver; it’s not the original.” I know John Allen & his pals made more than one Timesaver, and I know the first one was a stand-alone - it didn’t have the switch and the track to connect to a second timesaver.

For those of you new to all this, that’s the track going off the top of the baseboard in the photo. It was added to the design at a later point so two Timesavers could be worked together, swapping cars at the midpoint.

So, if this Timesaver is second or third generation, was this Timesaver made for magnetically operated couplers instead of the Bakers? That seems unlikely, if John was involved with it.

My question is: “Are those little rectangles Baker uncoupling ramps??” Maybe John made his own ramps; I wouldn’t put it past him, and those is these. Here I am 'way above my paygrade.

Anyone out there familiar with Baker ramps… anyone?

Ric Golding said:
Now John, I don't know if you do know as much as I do..
I doubt it. I don't know... But thanks for your attempt to bring me up to speed. It may be futile, you know....
John Le Forestier said:
Ric Golding said:
Now John, I don't know if you do know as much as I do..
I doubt it. I don't know... But thanks for your attempt to bring me up to speed. It may be futile, you know....
Now you do understand, this is on one very small subject and after that I'm lost.

Hey guys this conversation is moving to fast. I added some pictures, (supporting documents) to an earlier post on page 1. For your info if you choose to look. But its probably just more of that “Evil-Timesaver” stuff. :wink:

I’d try it and I’m sure I’d enjoy it, no matter what Yo’mama might say. I like it.
It looks like good, clean, wholesome fun to me, Ric.
Evil, yes. But evil in a good way.
Likely to lead our nation’s youth astray?
I’m afraid so, yes.

John Le Forestier said:
Likely to lead our nation's youth astray? I'm afraid so, yes.
Not me! ;)