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Oh, my

General Discussion
#21

For those that may have not caught the early posting of this abusive tirade, when submitting a post response, the name ‘Parkdesigner’ came up as “Joss Updike” on the posting response page. Now, I know in a previous lifetime, when I did post on another site, there was a 'Parkdesigner", who seemed a very informed, knowledgable modeller. I do not know if they are one and the same, but if so, then it is possible he learned his vocabulary liasing with a moderator on another site.

I understand the poster’s frustration at not receiving what he believed he would receive, but is it Brian’s fault or is it Bachmann’s fault or is it to be put down to experience. For the first time ever, Bachmann offers a range, albeit not very extensive, of spare parts and suddenly a major row erupts. Apology time!!!

#22

-------- “2) Look at the drawings…
a) as I said above, I did, and could not find them on the site… I did find a collection of drawings under the K-27 listing, but this apparently was not the complete set. The “boiler” dwg in this section did not indicate that the base was or was not cast in.”--------

-------- “3) Email Bachmann…
a) Did, no response before ordering
b) Still, no response after ordering”---------------

Based upon those two statements, at least from out here in the cheap seats, it appears to be more another case of customer NO-service than an un-informed assumption… therefore IMO a legitimate gripe.

As the OP was posted on Botchmann company’s own board, he WAS trying to address it with them (yet again) to get a resolution.

Jumping on the poster THERE, over HERE, was uncivil at best. I’d be royally pissed about it too.

Yust my 2c. If you want change, look in your sofa.

#23

And you see… right there - Tim made my point for me regarding names… he TWICE was able to write “Parkdesigner” correctly, but couldn’t get my “real” name Josh, not Joss, correct - just once. Furthermore, as he pointed out, I’ve been on other sites, AS Parkdesigner… so… that people would KNOW who I am… I used the name that is most known, “Parkdesigner”… again, I have no idea why a few here had to get their panties in such a twist… I can use “Josh” if you’d like, but you (and most everyone else) aren’t going to know who the hell it is…

As far as “liasing” with someone - no clue what you’re getting at. My “vocabulary” has always been there - the 8+ years on the various forums and much longer even before… it’s just that it only comes out when I’m ATTACKED… as Brian did, without provocation.

The fact here is, Mr. Brian Donovan, aka alterrain on other sites, ATTACKED me, impugned my abilities and, in my opinion, arrogantly stated matter-of-factly that I was at fault… He did so, without the facts in the case and without knowledge of the transactions between the parties at hand.

The FACT is Brian ATTACKED me before I was even on this board. Don’t believe, me, then go back to the top of the thread and count down… Brian Donovan and his “crack” about ‘operator error’ is post #4. My arrival to the boards, first post, and SELF DEFENSE against his unwarranted, unnecessary, and incorrect comment is, post #5.

Gentleman, he threw the first punch. If you don’t like that I’m better at exposing the truth, stating the facts, and fighting back than ol’ Brain is, well… I’m sorry - maybe he shouldn’t be making comments out of turn, off the cuff about people he doesn’t know.

“Apology time!!!”

Yup… totally agree Tim… and when Brian apologizes for taking a swing at me, for nothing I did to him, or that concerned him… and in fact, I actually did trying to help ALL modelers by getting the word out… well, then you’ll see one from me.

Want me to apologize for the vigor and passion I have for defending the facts, especially when they pertain to someone unwarrantedly attacking me… not gonna happen I’m afraid… and before you dismiss me on that point, I’d ask - how would you respond to someone, that you didn’t know, attacking you on a public forum when they didn’t have all the facts in the case? Would you sit idly by?

For better or worse I guess, I simply tried posting at Bachmann to get the word out, and raise awareness that some of the “parts” for sale were not as complete as their contemporaries from other suppliers, or even from Bachmann in other scales.

Clearly, regardless of the personal attacks and name calling… I’m betting that my initial purpose has been served. I’m fairly confident that most modelers/kitbashers here at LSC will well know that the K-27 domes ship without bases… too bad I had be attacked, and then attacked again for defending myself from being attacked to help get the word out… didn’t know that “sharing information” was akin to martyrdom on this site.

#24
josh Updike said:
Don't going telling me I made a mistake... you arrogant ass.
[Humor on:] Gee Bri, does he know you? [/Humor]:lol: :lol: :lol:

And to think that I missed this while watching “The Man from Laramie,” starring Major General James Stewart.

Josh, methinks thou dost protest too much.

#25

Well Steve, how do you usually like it when you try to give a heads up and you get pooh-poohed that it isn’t so?

BTW I always disliked those mfgs who would provide insufficient info to order parts and would short ship because they thought that x gizmo was not part of yz assembly, without actually telling the customer (or for that matter checking if it was required!).

Yep in some cases one needs to list every friggin’ screw, washer etc. and all this from a crummy exploded view “drawing” or better yet a picture that shows only half the items. :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

#26
Parkdesigner said:
...For the record there is a "Mik" "Curmudgeon" and "Garrett" on this thread as well... so "TAC," and "Father" as far as "not using my real name"....
Dear Mr 'Parkdesigner' - it would not have taken more that about 0.3 of a second to read my name in the signature block of my posts. Still and all, it's pretty sad that you have decided to leave us after only three posts - two of them pretty bitter and cynical, it must be admitted, but there ya go, eh? As we say over here - 'Ca roule'....

Those of us who have been here for a while, and yes, on other fora too, have gotten used to the give and take of this forum, where you give as good as you take, but with good humour - there is even a little warning notice posted, to the effect that things can get a mite fractious, in case you get the impression that this is all a kind of a 1960’s era sweetness and light, diaphanous clothing and hallucinogenic powders kind of forum.

You, Sir, seem to have arrived here kicking and screaming from the off, figuratively carrying your credentials, as well as your initial anonymity, in a large and lumpy bag, with which you then proceeded to beat us all about our collective heads - NOT the way to make friends and influence people in a ‘Hello, here I am, my name is …’ kind of post.

Truth to tell - and my friends here would tell you that I’m the last person to admit it - I’m one of the nicest, most humble and self-effacing guys on this forum [humbility is my middle name], and most know me pretty well after all this time. They can gauge when I’m funning and when I’m being serious. Naturally, that took some time to achieve, and some, bless 'em, are still working on it. It is to their credit that they continue to do so, even after having met up with me, and I applaud them for taking the trouble to bother. Sure, we have the odd rave and spat, but we are mostly friends here, not the ready-to-explode sociopaths you seem to accuse us of being. No, on THIS site we nurture the relationships, savouring the contributions that are made from time to time, like good soop [I don’t drink alcohol as it makes me murderously violent].

There may be such things as love at first sight, but for you and me, on your showing so far, there has been no moment of Bogie and Bacall.

Bye, and take care, wherever you go.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#27

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#28

You know - I’m sitting here re-reading this, and I think I’ll just go ahead and go with Tim on this one…

I’m sorry Brian. Sorry I jumped on you for attacking me, my mistake.

And I’m sorry board… sorry I incorrectly tried to identify myself by the name I was known by, rather than by the one I was given.

Truth is, I’ve all but sworn off MLS, like (what I gather) others here seem to have done as well. I’ve walked away from the “lifetime” paid membership and, in the last month or so, planned on trying to relocate here on LSC. I’ve always been a lurker here - for years and years, and many times had thought “I just need to sit down and post…” only to be distracted by something else. The friendships I’ve read here - the various “invasions” - the fact that quality modeling efforts, to scale (like Bruce’s fabulous Mikado), are not attacked for being “too rich” or “too big”… it all reminds me of my now former board’s glory days… To be honest, I’ve been looking forward to getting involved in LSC… just been waiting… believe me, I really had not planned on my first post having to be in self-defense (in truth, I had planned the first one to be of a recently completed kitbash I’ve been working on - just was waiting to get some weathering finished up)… Oh well… guess that ship has sailed.

So yeah, seeing’s as how Tim’s apparently waiting for the apology - there ya go… sorry I felt I should stand up for myself, rather than just take the beating…

#29

Josh,
in relation to getting your christian name incorrect, then your actual name was only highlighted for a short while, last night (local time), when I read your initial response. When I responded this morning, I was relying on the fleeting glimpse of your name. Last night when I re-entered the posting response page to check if your actual name was at the heading, the name had changed to ‘Parkdesigner’.

 This morning, when I responded,  I could not recall if your name was Josh, Joss, Updike or Uppike.  All feel your pain in your frustration,  but Brian is not at fault as is not anyone else on this site.  I suggest you take a coffee break and think over what has transpired.  You have over reacted to the situation.  The other site would not tolerate your abuse and neither does this site tolerate personal attacks.  

 You have a lot of positive input history to give this forum and I applaud you for your maturity in your decision making.  Welcome to this site.  As you see,  it gets a little heated occasionally.
#30

Geeze Tac… see - this is what I don’t get…

“You, Sir, seem to have arrived here kicking and screaming from the off…”

You mean, I got here after someone that doesn’t know me attacked me, without provocation? Is that what you’re saying? You mean when I showed up in self-defense?

“carrying your credentials…”

Not sure what you mean here…

“as well as your total anonymity…”

OK - this one I just have to laugh at… really? Really!!! Tac - do a google search with mls, tac and parkdesigner in it… THREE pages of results… you and I have been all over the other forum, as “TAC” and “Parkdesigner” for YEARS! We’ve addressed each other many times, by THOSE names… I just laugh at the thought of “anonymity”… if I wanted that, then I would have used “Josh”… you all would be like “who?!?” I used PD to avoid anonymity… Tim proved the point just a few posts above… from an ocean away and years ago - he still knew who I was… think he would have known if I’d used “Josh?”…

“on the end of a large pointy mallet, with which you then proceeded to beat us all about our collective heads - NOT the way to make friends and influence people.”

Right. Sorry on that one. The way to make friends is to let one of your own ATTACK me, for no reason - when I’m NOT EVEN A MEMBER HERE yet, and then to stand by and for me to take it. I see. Point is, I “arrived here” defending myself from ONE person… I didn’t attack you, or Tim, or LSC, or anyone else… I “arrived here” as I was forced to since Brian saw it fit to attack me in public over trying to help get the word out about a new product…

Like I said in my previous post - I was looking forward to joining here in the new year to talk and share with the rest of what seems like a swell bunch of people… I sure didn’t plan on my first post being the way it was - but then again, how man LSCer’s first post is in response to a personal attack from a LSC member?

#31

No worries Tim - Joss, Josh, hell I’ve been called a lot worse… in this thread alone!! LOL…

The point is, (and not yelling at you Tim) - the name I’m “known” by makes the most sense to be used, or so I thought… there was ZERO effort to hide on my part, in fact… the opposite…

That being said… I guess not everyone retained the name like you did… (or I of “tac” “mik” “Crummie” etc…)

Setting that point aside… (as there seems to be two issues here - the reason I posted, and the name I used)… to the reason - I would not expect you to stand by if you were slighted like that Tim, nor would I expect anyone to…

I would defend you from unfair attacks, especially if it came from an attempt on your part to HELP the community… as I would anyone… basically, what the above has said is, “How dare you passionately defend yourself from an attack by an uninformed, uninvolved party…” and then followed up with, “how dare you defend yourself using the wrong name…” can you see where, if it were you, you might be a bit miffed?)

At any rate… tell me Tim, since you seem more keen on moving on, then defending the original attacker like some here, what should I do… I’m “Parkdesigner” on no less than 4 major forums, and 2-3 smaller ones… the only name I have on a forum related to trains other than that is/was on Bachmann and that was because (oddly) Parkdesigner was taken when I tried to register… So, do I keep the name people know, or do I change out the name for one people do not?

#32

LET’S END THIS NOW.

ROGER

#33

Happy New Year thats why I dont trust Bachmann. The few things I buy from them I always expect the worst case. LOL I think I will stick with my Hartland stuff. Much better service and never had a problem with their stuff. Plus their flats can be made into anything.

When it comes to using real names I could understand in certain cases why one would not… Like in my case: Im in Law Enforcement. Its probably not wise to use a real name in this field. I have to be very careful at what I say and post because it can very easily be googled and used against me in things such as court cases etc… I do use my real name but I try to be careful at what I post I do go on other forums where I dont use my real name.

#34

Josh -

I don’t give a flying fig about what has transpired on the previous pages. My comment is to address only your latest question with my opinion on your posting name.

I’d use both. Leave you sign-in name as Parkdesigner [and tell us the origin of that handle some day] and include your first name in your signature. That should appease most of the name police, except Fred. I don’t think it’s necessary for you to include your last name if you would rather not. Mik doesn’t, and we’ve learned to tolerate him :smiley:

You’ve noticed from lurking that a lot of us tend to get together in person to share our hobby. In these face-to-face situations it’s a lot more comfortable on a first meeting if your given name is already known. I also find it a lot simpler to type Josh than Parkdesigner when addressing you in a post.

In any case, welcome. I hope we can all get beyond the previous two pages and get to know you. I for one look forward to seeing your modeling and possibly meeting you at ECLSTS or one of the gatherings if you can make it.

BTW, I too am an MLS refugee. I don’t recall your handle from there, but it’s been years since I posted there and months since I’ve lurked.

#35

I’m thinkin’ boobs
:wink:

#36
Brian Donovan said:
Yeah, there's a pic of the part and the dome bases are usually integrated into the boiler casting. I dunno. Seems like operator error to me.

-Brian


I’ve read 3 pages and one particular word keeps coming up over and over…attack
If anyone thinks anything in the two lines above constitutes an attack…they’ve led a very sheltered life.
It’s a friggin opinion, and not even a firm opinion at that.
Ralph

#37

Question.

Just who is Lisa???
That thread seems to have disappeared in a hurry.

Josh. You hang around and contribute. Just ignore the barbs.
You know you are right. TOC knows you are right, and if he says it is so. IT IS SO. :wink:
That is good enough for me.
If the base is a screw on part, and TOC says it is - see above), then the part should have been sold COMPLETE if that is how it was advertised. Not just a part of it unless it was clearly advertised as being an incomplete part.
Ours is a culture of misleading advertising, and is the bane of our society.
SPIN, SPIN, SPIN is all they seem to know how to do.
Never mind the quality, feel the width.

#38

Josh,
put all this behind you and start with a clean slate. No problem with a pseudonym, but a suggestion for a few months until others acquaint themselves with you, I would end a post with your first (christian) name. After a short while drop the personal name and stick with the login name.

   If one does not make controversial statements,  then a login name is not a problem.  When the line is crossed then other members suspect that one is hiding behind the name.

   Sit back, take a deep breath and continue posting.  99.9% of the characters on this site,  you would welcome into your home with open arms.
#39

John! you have flyin figs??? Do you have any for sale!! Regal LOL

#40
TonyWalsham said:
Just ignore the barbs.
Sorry...

Can we thread jack for info on an RCS product (#EVO-3f) since were on page 3?
Yes or No?

I’ll go back to my end of the bar now…
:wink: