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Not LS, but LS - my 4" scale steamroller project

Yes, I know it’s the ‘wrong’ scale (1:3), but I thought maybe you guys might be interested anyway. I’ve probably mentioned this thing from time to time, but hadn’t actually accomplished much on it since before the big D… Well, we FINALLY went to get the boiler last month from where it had been stored for about 6 or 7 years, rescued the wheels from my ex’s basement, and scrounged the engine and governor parts from out of my van… So, what I have is all in the same place for the first time EVER! I still don’t have a 220v circuit run for the welder, or gas for the torches, but at least it is a start. Anyway, rather than have the neighbors upset over a bunch of scattered rusty junque in the yard, Kim and I threw a coat of paint at it this afternoon. ----- It may still be scattered junque, but at least it isn’t rusty anymore! Kim and my daughter Sara picked the paint scheme. The rolls and gearing will be a dark blue, the engine and bunkers Case ‘LC’ Grey. – of course just as we almost finished the sky opened up and it POURED for half an hour… Boiler, smokebox and flywheel all looking rather snazzy. The boiler is 10-3/4" in diameter and 4’ long. I’d love a curved spoke flywheel instead, but haven’t found the right one yet.

A 1/2" injector, and a 2" bronze hand pump will have to do for my 2 means of adding water. The firebox door is smallish 5" x 6" – I’ve thought about firing it on kerosene. The grates seem to have gone missing, so I might have to look more into that.

Rear rolls are a pair of threshing machine pulleys. Not what I really wanted, but they were affordable. I may need to bolt sheet rubber or old bald tire treads to them to keep them from jarring and breaking.

Front rolls are from a 3-ton or so gas roller. A little large, but for $25 I couldn’t resist! I’ll be cutting down the frame so the boiler will sit about 4" above the rolls.

A face only a mother could love? Kim and Sara have both laid claim to it!

Half a Mason steam car engine will provide power. It’s the ‘wrong’ half, so either the flywheel will be on the left, or the cylinder will be towards the rear… all depends upon what gearing I scrounge up, yet.

This 3/4" Gardner governor is really too large, but it’s here. Yes, I need to get new weights for it. Luckily they are still available.

Still needed: gearing, bunkers, lubricator, canopy, and a money tree… But I hope to at least have the boiler mounted on the wheels before Fall so we can move it around without an engine hoist! So, just what will it look like when it’s finished? Something like a mirror image of this:

I’ve always loved the old steam threshing machines and other steam engines. when I lived in Iowa, would go to the old threshers reunion in southern Iowa.

So, Mik, is it battery/RC operated? :stuck_out_tongue:

I used to sell live steam stuff… I sold this young couple a Wilesco steam tractor at a show… They came back about 10 minutes later to ask me to show them how to put the batteries in. I’m still not sure they believed me.

Too cool!

Cool. Do you need to get the boiler certified, or is it exempt because of size?

At one time I thought of building a vertical boiler to power some whistles, but then whistle collecting met the internet, prices went out of my reach.

Jon,
You should come in for Williams Grove steam gathering sometime…pretty cool stuff just outside of the Mechanicsburg hood!
:wink:

In Pa it needs inspected… aaaaaand, the local inspector doesn’t want ‘to be the first guy to sign off on it’… he’ll inspect it after that, but not the first time (classic bureaucratic CYA)… In Ohio, under 16" is exempt. I also have an Ohio operator’s license, we’re only about 20 miles or so from the state line, and there are plenty of shows over there. Soooooo… Pi$$ on the Communewealth for now.

Bring it over here - we have five certified boiler engineer/inspectors in the Fenland Light Railway Society - www.fenlandlightrailway.co.uk

The blue and yellow dismal is mine, BTW. Well, HALF mine, ig owns the other half.

tac
www.ovgrs.org
Supporter of the Cape Meares Lighthouse Restoration Fund

TAC, thanks, but bringing it over wouldn’t solve the problem. The ghost of John Payton still haunts the Pa Dept of Labor and Industry. Hobbyists are just children playing with bombs, doncha know. And that bloody Always, Sometimes, Maybe, Except cloverleaf stamp is more important than any amount of good engineering and workmanship… because it shifts the burden of proof from the state to THEIR inspector and the risk to Hartford Insurance… and more than quadruples the build cost, so there are fewer children with bombs… nice how that works – for them.

We had a guy at our show who use to run a Case roller, was always last in the parade to smooth out the route for the next day. That was 20 years ago, don’t know what ever happened to it, but it was a sight to see. Looks like your off to a good start with yours.

Mik said:
In Pa it needs inspected.... aaaaaand, the local inspector doesn't want 'to be the first guy to sign off on it'... he'll inspect it after that, but not the first time (classic bureaucratic CYA)... In Ohio, under 16" is exempt. I also have an Ohio operator's license, we're only about 20 miles or so from the state line, and there are plenty of shows over there. Soooooo..... Pi$$ on the Communewealth for now.
I understand Mik....but was only stating too Jon that he should check out the Grove....Great history there and a neat gathering. That's all ;)

David, I was talking to Jon as well. BTW, I’ve been to Wms Grove - twice. For me, Rough & Tumble is more fun.

…winking…

Thanks for the replies. We used to see a few live steam tractors run at the annual CT Antique Machinery Assoc. fall show in Kent, CT, but the last 3 years or so, nothing other than infernal combustion running. I think the regulations got them after that big splosion at a show 4-5 years ago.

There were a lot of places that got panicky after that, and it was more like 10 years… That engine was improperly repaired by a guy with more money than brains… MOST guys with engines aren’t that way, but unfortunately, it sometimes only take one to screw things up for everybody else. Anyway, Kim was having trouble visualizing how it would look (She has an artist’s eye for taking photos and drawing, but I guess she can’t quite do it in 3 dimensions…), so I did a temporary mock-up last night. I need to make a minor change to the upper water column valve piping, so the engine can go down another inch and back about two…

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp52/steamnut1917/steam%20car%20engine/P6290001.jpg)

I’m hoping to find some needed bits at the Ashtabula show (Wayne Center, Oh) this weekend.

Nice. Maybe I’m confusing the time-line with the incident at the Gettysburg RR. That one wasn’t as bad, but got FRA more involved in tourist railroads with stricter rules for inspections. Perhaps the lack of self-propelled steam stuff at the CT show is just a lack of operational equipment. They have numerous tractors on static display. They run several large stationary engines in their powerhouse, but they are driven off a modern gas fired boiler. They make a mean Engineer’s Soup in a huge kettle heated with a vertical wood fired boiler :smiley:

Anyway, I’m glad you have a place you can fire it without jumping through too many hoops. I look forward to seeing your progress.

Went to Jamestown, Pa today to get some old manure spreader wheels to use for the rear rolls instead of the fragile pulleys. Anybody recognize the manufacture on this thing?

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp52/steamnut1917/steam%20car%20engine/P7060001.jpg)

One wheel was stuck fast to the axle, so we decided the expedient thing was to just take axle, pillow blocks and all. Then soak it all down with Kroil at our leisure. It cost us gas, plus $10 and a couple zucchinis for the parts…

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp52/steamnut1917/steam%20car%20engine/P7060011.jpg)

The front axle, and one from a husker shredder, will be rescued as well to make a wagon to mount a couple steam pumps on. The rest of it is pretty rough, so the scrap man will probably get it unless somebody has a parts request.

Terry A de C Foley said:
Bring it over here - we have five certified boiler engineer/inspectors in the Fenland Light Railway Society - www.fenlandlightrailway.co.uk The blue and yellow dismal is mine, BTW. Well, HALF mine, ig owns the other half. tac www.ovgrs.org Supporter of the Cape Meares Lighthouse Restoration Fund

You mean this dismal? Very nice. Hope you don’t mind me posting the photo.

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Mik, You have some interesting and expensive hobbies :wink: I bet you are the talk of the “hood” :smiley: Ralph

Expensive? On MY income? Trust me, they are MUCH less expensive than motocross, car cruises or bass fishing. Especially when you spread the investment out over 10 years like this one. The most expensive hobby I have (as far as constant $$ drain) is LS… or perhaps sleeping indoors and eating regular. If the boiler hadn’t gotten built as my welding school ‘senior’ project, this project wouldn’t exist at all.

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp52/steamnut1917/steam%20car%20engine/P8080001.jpg)

If I had a decent lathe (and someplace to put it), I’d also have built some parts instead of buying them. Which would have reduced the costs on this about 50% (time I have, cash is scarce) But thanks for the kind words.