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#81
mark Dash.... said:
No bodies were found at the WTC site????

From Fox news

NEW YORK — More than five years after the World Trade Center came crashing down, human remains keep cropping up near the site, angering family members who lost loved ones in the terrorist attack.

WTC Families for Proper Burial say the discovery of the bones on the northern edge of the site is another reminder that city and state authorities need to systematically comb the area.

“We can no longer rely on accidental discoveries,” the group said in a statement. “This must be a deliberate search. May this awful news be the catalyst needed to go back and do the job well.”

bones don’t burn folks!


And they were positively identified as being passengers on the 2 airliners?

What I do is look outside the box and believe neither the media, the government nor conspiracy-theorists.

You watch too many Micheal Moore movies…:wink:

#82

We have just entered the Twilight Zone.

#83

On Tuesday, 35 “potential” human remains were recovered, said Borakove, explaining that the term “potential” is used until DNA experts verify the exact nature of the remains. The human fragments are from a half inch to 4 inches long.

Of the 2,750 people who died at the World Trade Center, the remains of more than 1,100 have yet to be found.

A total of more than 20,000 human fragments recovered around the site have been entered into a database of DNA profiles of the victims, in hopes some may yet be identified.

end of fox report

so

when 2750 people become 20,000+ parts it takes time to determine whos who i guess. not going to waste my time, but i doubt that one can say that no people have been identified that were on the plane itself.

remember even in cremation - bones don’t burn

#84

“Kool-aid drinkers”

#85

this is about the pa crash site

Searchers recovered only about 8 percent of the potential human remains but were able to identify everyone from the fragments they did find, said Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller.

#86

I believe we can officially move this post to the “off topic” area w/o question…

#87

Ken, I have yet, and have no desire to see a movie by Michael Moore, OR Al Gore

you made a generalization - no bodies - when in fact there are, thats fact, no politics/viewpoints/whatever.
and just because they haven’t found the body of (insert name) doesn’t mean they wern’t on the plane, just means they haven’t looked under the right rock looking for their parts! If you think about it any firefighter, police officer, truck, car, could have stepped and carried off the last pieces of remians of a person from any of he sites. if your thinking outside the box then you realize this is PLAUSIBLE

no media circus needed, no politics, just facts of science and resonable thinking

#88

Hey Mark

mark said:
Du hast mich gefragt und ich hab nichts gesagt
, ich hatte leider wieder keine treffende Antwort.
#89

ahhh so we meet at Rammstein

#90

I don’t think so, it’s just a matter of me completing what could/should have been complete in the first place.

“Du hast mich gefragt und ich hab’ nichts gesagt, ich hatte leider wieder keine treffende Antwort.” :wink: :slight_smile:

(“You asked me and I kept silent, regrettably I lacked a telling reply … again”)

BTW I arrived at the conclusion after reading your original signature line. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

#91

When Corporal Andy Harvey’s search dog triggered the roadside bomb that killed them both, the dog was thrown intact, about 100m away, with only minor burns evident.

All that was found of Cpl Harvey was part of a belt buckle and the end of a toe.

We buried all the remains together.

Blast and explosions are strange phenomena.

Let’s now move on to trains.

tac

#92

In my line of work (commercial building construction) their is no recession. We have over a years worth of work on the books with more prints/bids to make with buildings that are in the 1-2 year building slot away.

We need more cranes that the manufacturers can’t supply…all North American crane builders have machines sold 1-2 years in advance. Order a new Manitowoc Model 2250 crawler crane rated at 250 ton with a 3.5 million dollar price tag and you might see it in the last qtr. of 2010.

The only economy slowdown that I see is that the housing market got all caught up in itself…which btw is no big suprise. Why folks figured that if they could afford a 250k home from bank A but bank B has the same deal on a 800K loan is beyond me…but liberal thinking says that if we hollar loud enough the govt. will bail us out.

Dejavu of the Clinton era loan scandals??

#93
Tim Brien said:
Ken, the only report of human remains removed from the Pentagon were around nine Pentagon employees, from memory. If you read further you will see that I stated that the fires were still raging in the rubble of the tower collapse several months later and yet human remains were still being recovered from the site up to two years later. 
  Yes,  there have been numerous airliner crashes that the aircraft contained heavy fuel loads.  Not one accident was the aircraft totally consumed as in the Pentagon crash.  The only wreckage visible in 'official' photographs is a small piece of cowling/fuselage sheetmetal mysteriously located outside the building and yet if one believes 'official' comments the entire aircraft, including the torn off wings was consumed in the building.   If one looks at the recovered 'wreckage'  then one wonders exactly what part of the aircraft itm actually is as it does not look to to be a part from a Boeing 757 airliner.


  An aircraft crash site is always littered with debris,  regardless of the supposed internal temperatures expected.  Aviation fuel burns at a temperature of around 800 degrees C.  This temperature is insufficient to cremate human remains let alone an entire aircraft.   Look outside the square and do not believe everything the man in the oval office tells you.</blockquote>

Tim,
I ask again. If the commerical airliner did not hit the Pentagon what did hit it? Where is the airliner? Where are the missing crew and passengers? I am sure the relatives of the missing people would want to know that there is another place they can look for the remains of their loved ones. What about the witnesses who said that an airliner passed over their head at low level heading to the area of the Pentagon? Maybe they were having hallucinations, eh.

LAO

#94
Chuck Hanson said:
In my line of work (commercial building construction) their is no recession. We have over a years worth of work on the books with more prints/bids to make with buildings that are in the 1-2 year building slot away.

We need more cranes that the manufacturers can’t supply…all North American crane builders have machines sold 1-2 years in advance. Order a new Manitowoc Model 2250 crawler crane rated at 250 ton with a 3.5 million dollar price tag and you might see it in the last qtr. of 2010.

The only economy slowdown that I see is that the housing market got all caught up in itself…which btw is no big suprise. Why folks figured that if they could afford a 250k home from bank A but bank B has the same deal on a 800K loan is beyond me…but liberal thinking says that if we hollar loud enough the govt. will bail us out.

Dejavu of the Clinton era loan scandals??


I’m not sure how this thread went from an announcement of Marklin’s price increase to 911 conspiracy theories, and now to the economy and politics, but I have to comment on your statement.

I work for a real estate developer / property manager / general contractor in New England. Our last project, a 5 story 115 unit apartment complex was completed last summer and partially due to skyrocketing costs of steel, copper and oil, went almost 50% over budget. We had two other projects in the queue to start immediately after the apartment building was finished - one was much larger (500 units) and the other significantly smaller. In August 2007 the banks began to pull back on construction financing, even paying huge penalties to cancel loans that had been committed, but not disbursed. This was a direct result of the sub-prime fiasco. Because of the skyrocketing costs, uncertainty in the resale Real Estate market and uncertainty in the banking world, we decided to stand down on all construction projects. Our sites now stand empty burning cash in taxes while we wait for signs that the trends are bottoming out. We are beginning to see a little light, but we’re still not ready to ramp-up construction.

I don’t disagree on your take on the mortgage industry. I’ve thought for years that banks were irresponsible in offering ARM and balloon mortgages to unsophisticated borrowers. The current administration allowed it, and now we pay.

The construction industry might be good in your area, but it is not necessarily representative of the entire country.

BTW - ultra conservatives Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh are nearly ready to throw in the towel and support Clinton. Newt said this morning on GMA that he was considering donating to the Clinton campaign and Rush said yesterday ‘at least with Hillary we know what we are going to get’.

Oh crap - I wasn’t going to get into this political stuff. Now I’ve stepped in it :smiley:

Jon

#95

I’m not sure how it got from here to there, either. However, in the boating world it is very much a buyer’s market. There is a lot of product around and people that have the money are comfortably spending it to upgrade or get what they want. The used boat market of recent models is being moved as people upgrade to newer models and it works down the pyramid. Marine Surveyors and others are quite busy trying to satisfy the demands. Some people talk doom and gloom and others sympathise as they change the subject to the latest boat, train or house they just got a hell of a deal on. Welcome to Capitalism, buyer beware.

#96

30-some odd years ago, I had variable rate mortgage…didn’t take me long to see the hand-writing on the wall. And I certainly didn’t buy a lot more house than I could afford.

Quote:
Ken, I have yet, and have no desire to see a movie by Michael Moore, OR Al Gore

you made a generalization - no bodies - when in fact there are, thats fact, no politics/viewpoints/whatever.
and just because they haven’t found the body of (insert name) doesn’t mean they wern’t on the plane, just means they haven’t looked under the right rock looking for their parts! If you think about it any firefighter, police officer, truck, car, could have stepped and carried off the last pieces of remians of a person from any of he sites. if your thinking outside the box then you realize this is PLAUSIBLE

no media circus needed, no politics, just facts of science and resonable thinking


Ever seen a body after a bangalore torpedo goes off? Not much left to identify. Found a boot with foot in it, and some internal organs hanging from the trees, but not much else. And this was from 2 people. Guess we could have stuck around the village and looked for more, but I don’t think the el-tee was interested in that…

(segue here to Twilight Zone theme music…)

So, if no bodies were found around the Pentagon but employees, who was flying the plane? And if it wasn’t a plane, where did the 4th plane that took off and went missing get too? And what were the air controllers tracking on their radar?

#97

Ken,

It all happened in the 6th dimension, that’s the one “they” keep under wraps.

#98

Jon, it is said of the 3 front runners, McCain, Obama and Queen Hilary that she is the most conservative of the lot.

And Jon, you look pretty good with BS on your boots. :smiley:

#99

Oh, getting back to price increases, will be interesting to see what make of track people buy for Spring construction.

#100

I’m buying none. I’m going up into the attic and withdrawing a box from stock that I wisely bought 4 years ago before prices went nuts :smiley: