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Name change

Gentlemen;
I was quite relieved to see at least one person finally got it straight, when talking about who we should be trying to reach. By putting the layout high, we undoubtably will reach “Kids”, that usually reach at least 4 feet at the head, as “Goats”

The persons we should be “Reaching out to” are “Children”, and they should be called CHILDREN, not goats.

Any way you try to reach out to children is only successful when you give their parents some reason to bring them out to a show, as they are unlikely to attend by themselves.
We have to stress the value of aquiring a hobby, early in their lives, besides the stupidity of constant competition, in their play time. Life is full enough of competitition, without driving it into them during their play time.

The so called "Old fashioned Hobbies" of the past are more important today than ever, in order to help educate the children of today, to be the successful adults tomorrow.

Gaming, and sports seem to compete with television as the most promoted activities in the lives of children today.
Yes; to learn to compete, and have healthy activities, is important, but a good CONSTRUCTIVE HOBBY, such as MODEL RAILROADING, is more important than ever.
We just have to convince the mass media of this, and then try to educate parents of the importance. Then we might just reach some of the adults of the future…the CHILDREN OF TODAY.

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kid
n.

    1. A young goat.
    2. The young of a similar animal, such as an antelope.
    3. The flesh of a young goat.
    4. Leather made from the skin of a young goat; kidskin.
    5. An article made from this leather.
    6. A child.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    7. A young person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    1. The flesh of a young goat.
    2. Leather made from the skin of a young goat; kidskin.
    3. An article made from this leather.
    4. A child.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    5. A young person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
  1. Informal
    1. A child.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    2. A young person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
  2. Slang Pal. Used as a term of familiar address, especially for a young person: Hi, kid! What’s up?<<<<<<

adj.

  1. Made of kid.
  2. Informal Younger than oneself: my kid brother.

v. kid·ded, kid·ding, kids

v. tr. Informal

  1. To mock playfully; tease. See Synonyms at banter.
  2. To deceive in fun; fool.

v. intr.

  1. Informal To engage in teasing or good-humored fooling.
  2. To bear young. Used of a goat or an antelope.
Wendell Hanks said:
...Go to any garden show, and you will see vendors with PHOTOS, that's G-I-A-N-T photo spreads showing their products in the setting in which they are intended. Clearly, in the displays and photos there is also an effort to reach those who have small yards, patios, condos, and trac homes with limited space.... .

Wendell


Maybe why my little portable got so much interest, I heard several people say things like, “Oh thats something I could do in my apartment!”

As one of MLS members told me, "They go by and see the Del Oro layout and say ‘I cant do that’, then go by the Sundance Central and say ‘I cant do that’ then they come by by the booth and see that pizza and say “Hey’ I can do that!” :wink:

Fred Mills said:
.... The so called "Old fashioned Hobbies" of the past are more important today than ever, in order to help educate the children of today, to be the successful adults tomorrow.... .... but a good CONSTRUCTIVE HOBBY, such as MODEL RAILROADING, is more important than ever. We just have to convince the mass media of this, and then try to educate parents of the importance. Then we might just reach some of the adults of the future......the CHILDREN OF TODAY.
Well spoken Friar Fred!

(but I do come from a part of the country where they are called “kids”)

…aw gosh…by-golly…I’ll bet you are all “Kidding” me…!!!

Hi Ken.

For us illiterates can you explain what the row of <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< signifies when used as in:

  1. A child.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Serious question. I really don’t know.

Wendell,
back almost two years ago, a certain marketting manager for a now, non-operating distributor for a well known brandname, made a comment on MLS, in response to a statement from me, as to the future of the caricature F7. I believed that the the loco was history. The response from the individual was, watch this space and in regards to the Forney loco, then get them now while you still can.

        My conclusion to this was that LGBoA had made a decision to rerun the F7 (in China.  Remember the Genesis drive trucks are based on the F7 drive blocks) and a decision to stop production of the Forney loco.  To me,  the decision, at that time,  was continued direct competition with the other two standard gauge manufacturers.  Remember also that Marklin sales were never very comfortable with their Gauge 1 American outline range.  Even heavy promotion on the last Superman movie did not boost sales.  Is it any wonder that Marklin might leave the American prototype outline sales to Aristo and USA Trains and concentrate on the insatiable European market that they know best.  With the current limited production available,  it is foolish to split production when there is a healthy existing market for Euro prototype.  For Marklin,  it is back to core production,  with possible expansion once production is up to speed. 


        I,  personally, do not see much enthusiasm from Germany in satisfying the American appetite for the product.  Like Hitler destroyed bridges over the Rhine to halt the movement of allied troops into Germany,  so bridges have been destroyed across the Atlantic,  severing the America marketplace from its supply base. Who destroyed those bridges is dependant on what camp you are in,  but the result is exemplified by the empty shelves in stores.  LGB, as a brandname,  will not survive the cessation in production and loss of consumer confidence/sales in the United States.  It is a godsend for Aristo-Craft and USA Trains,  as unavailability of product has caused consumers to switch allegiance and the absence of the once famous marque has taken the name out of the marketplace and so new consumers to the hobby do not experience the awe that we once all felt when seeing rows of big red boxes on shelves.  LGBoA saw this coming and switched allegiance to Piko.  Piko,  no doubt took exception to the connotations that their distributor in the States represented the name of their competition.  No wonder LGBoA was put out to pasture,  not to be fattened up for market,  but to be forgotten about.   I also do not believe that Piko sales in the United States will be 'healthy' as the American market is as parochial as the European market is and sales of American outline in Europe would mimic European prototype sales in the United States.  The growth of Accucraft, Bachmann,  Aristo-Craft and USA Trains shows what the American consumers want and Piko is not going to deliver on that.


       Further to above,  I do not believe that Piko will see healthy sales in the States,  as many remember the well-made,  but crude East German product from many years ago.   Piko sales in the States are dependant on overcoming consumer resistance, 'innapropriate' prototype and distributor enthusiasm.   Piko will,  unfortunately,  always be a niche player in the U.S. market,  relying on European sales to support it.  Maybe Marklin also sees itself in this market position,  as well and is not prepared to sacrifice its domestic consumer market base in the short term.

Fr.Fred,

I leave in SouthWest Kansas, any person under 18 is a “kid”… Goats are goats… You EAT BEEF here!! We also produce Wheat, bread basket of the USA…

Okay- how do you get Newbies involved? Children and adults need to start somewhere and that’s usually with a “starter set”. Haven’t seen anything in that department announced by Märklin/LGB. The latest from PIKO is that starter sets are coming soon. Who knows- we may even see some -dare I say it- North American style 0-6-0 locos and sets.
I don’t think I would count PIKO out yet. Probably see reasonably priced PIKO switches pretty soon- has anyone seen a switch from Märklin/LGB yet?

Fred Mills said:
The persons we should be "Reaching out to" are "Children", and they should be called CHILDREN, not goats.
Fred, you seem to have a pet peeve about the use of the term "kids" to describe children, but the fact is, it's use is widely accepted and has been since before I was born, and I'm no spring chicken. As Ken has pointed out, it's in the dictionary.

Perhaps in some long forgotten time and place it may have been considered improper to call children “kids”, but times have changed. Seems to me there are far more important things to rail against, than a bit of harmless slang.

That’s my two cents, for what it’s worth. :slight_smile:

I do agree with your other points regarding the need for constructive hobbies as opposed to mere games and competitive sports.

Tim-
Your analysis of Marklin’s and PIKO’s role makes sense and shows thought.

My suspicion is the U.S. marketplace will be absorbed by the “big three” and PIKO may or may not bring out any American prototypes. As to that occuring, I have no guesses.

Thanks for your efforts – a good read and I’m not “kidding.”

Wendell

John Joseph Sauer said:
Okay- how do you get Newbies involved? Children and adults need to start somewhere and that’s usually with a “starter set”. Haven’t seen anything in that department announced by Märklin/LGB. The latest from PIKO is that starter sets are coming soon. Who knows- we may even see some -dare I say it- North American style 0-6-0 locos and sets. I don’t think I would count PIKO out yet. Probably see reasonably priced PIKO switches pretty soon- has anyone seen a switch from Märklin/LGB yet?

Funny Funny Funny! I seem to remember writing precisely that in this thread. In the meantime we have seen some “renditions” of the mentioned “stuff” show up.

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37800.jpg)

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37801.jpg)

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37100.jpg)

© Copyright modellbahnecke.de Well, what do you think? Remember I said “rendition”! As one of my friends said: “Perfect for the American market just as long as they letter that steamer for the B&O or the Santa Fé and the cars to match.” :confused: :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile: :wink: :wink:

Adolescents these days have too many distractions to maintain an interest in a single hobby like modelrailroading and even less so in largescale. These days the hobby has to battle with television, computers, electronic games and worst of all, peer pressure that generally links model trains with playing with kids’ toys.

Also largescale is dependent on parental consent as regards available space to operate a large set. In essence, the baby boom era is coming to a close and there are considerably less willing to take on a hands-on hobby like trains. I feel that many families go to train shows, more for the nostalgic benefit of the father, rather than the possible appeal to the child.

In general, the hobby is a solitary pursuit. Of course there are visiting days and railroad layout home tours and so, but in general, the typical railroader has himself for company. The hobby needs to be sold as a family pursuit as it is the family budget that provides those meager few leftover dollars in the kitty to future expenditure on the road. The husband has to justify the expenditure. By involving the family then the expense is entertainment and not simply spending money on trains. There are not many of us, even today at our advanced years, who can innocently introduce the wife to a new purchase. We resort to skuldudgerry - “Is that new?” “Oh, no that has been there for months, you simply did not notice it.” Believe me, the wife misses nothing!

Starter sets in all scales has been the principal introduction. LGB’s policy has always been that the initial starter set purchase had to be both cost saving and that the starter set items were a crucial part in any railroad expansion. How many today have bought starter sets, only to dispose of the power unit because it is no longer useful? Get rid of the track because the diameter is too small. Dispose of the loco because it is too small and relegate the rolling stock for the children to play with. In the future, every dollar spent has to be justified to the household financial management committee (SWMBO).

Involving children begins with parental participation in the hobby. I read a recent quote on a forum. A railroader was showing a young person a new expensive live steam locomotive in operation, steaming around the track. The youngster looked at the loco travel a few circuits of the railroad and then uttered “What else does it do?”. How is the hobby able to compete with the electronics age? If one were to treat the hobby as an electronic game with DCC and full computer control, then other than the computer/electronics geeks and children, what interest is there for the typical model railroader?

TonyWalsham said:
Hi Ken.

For us illiterates can you explain what the row of <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< signifies when used as in:

  1. A child.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Serious question. I really don’t know.


Just making a point with Fred. He seems to have some kind of problem with the term kids when it’s refering to children. Just pointing out that it’s a widely accepted phrase and is even listed in the dictionary…nothing mysterious…:wink:

Since he’s never had any children of his own, using the term kids is entirely appropriate as sometimes they have as much sense as goats…that’s speaking from experience…hehe

Besides, I like to rattle his cage on occasion…:wink:

Thanks Ken.

What I wanted to know is what the <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< bit signifies.

Left? Right? Up? Down?

I was emphasizing the Kids = Children. Pointing to the definition.

I could have underlined it…but the <<<<<<< was easier.

Guys,

Go here & see what Bob Grosh did…

http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/4/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/29115/Default.aspx#29115

Hey that fits right in with “Name change”, Bob Grosh is now “St.Bob”. :slight_smile: :wink: :smiley:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

John Joseph Sauer said:
Okay- how do you get Newbies involved? Children and adults need to start somewhere and that’s usually with a “starter set”. Haven’t seen anything in that department announced by Märklin/LGB. The latest from PIKO is that starter sets are coming soon. Who knows- we may even see some -dare I say it- North American style 0-6-0 locos and sets. I don’t think I would count PIKO out yet. Probably see reasonably priced PIKO switches pretty soon- has anyone seen a switch from Märklin/LGB yet?

Funny Funny Funny! I seem to remember writing precisely that in this thread. In the meantime we have seen some “renditions” of the mentioned “stuff” show up.

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37800.jpg)

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37801.jpg)

(http://www.modellbahnecke.de/bilder/piko/37100.jpg)

© Copyright modellbahnecke.de Well, what do you think? Remember I said “rendition”! As one of my friends said: “Perfect for the American market just as long as they letter that steamer for the B&O or the Santa Fé and the cars to match.” :confused: :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile: :wink: :wink:

That ore car sure looks like the old Lionel large scale offering to me…interesting. As for the lokie, it wouldnt be too hard to produce a US profile tanker on top of that chassis. I could do it myself but that all depends on what the lttle beasty ends up costing on this side of the pond, if it ever happens. I saw the asking prices for the latest Piko engine offerings, forget it, waaay to rich for my po’self.

Vic,

Apparently that engine will only be sold as part of the starter set.