Laphroaig, two fingers, neat.
Send one of those down this way Richard. We loves BBC on the CVSRy 
got you covered Jon
Richard
Boomer K. said:
I for one am going to follow my buddy Rooster’s example (check the banner on the Rolling Stock forum). Bob I want to member sponsor the figure forum for 2014.
I saw that. It’s lacking a little something 
If Rooster is sponsoring a forum, I want one too
Ralph
Ralph I don’t think there’s enough forums to go around for all of us to sponsor…but I think a few of us should sponsor the Rooster.
Kevin Strong said:
From the horse’s mouth:
“You own your content, by posting content on this site you have granted us the right to publish it the content you posted here. Meaning we are allowed to keep it on the site.”
“To be clear, if the content is created by there is no reason you should not be allowed to publish it anywhere else.”
(Apologies for the duplicate to Shawn’s post; we were posting near the same time.)
Bottom line, though, our content is still ours, to do with as we please. They cannot keep us from publishing it elsewhere.
Later,
K
Fascinating. When I was doing Real Estate photography to earn beer/train money, the Multiple Listing Service to which we uploaded photos (to market the properties,) had a statement upfront and in-your-face that they owned the photos now, and you were granted a license to use them yourself.
The problem is that these are digital photos - the copy I uploaded doesn’t alter the original I have at home.
I doubt the courts would side with the real estate situation, and VS is clearly aware that our photos are an asset they have to protect.
Boomer K. said:
Wow…that is a lot to digest. My thought is that if VS makes waves here I will be forced to take out my displeasure on their advertisers and make sure they know the reasons why. Nothing gets the attention of media owners faster then having to explain their stupidity to their sponsors.
In converse I will make sure the advertisers here know that I am buying from them because they support this forum. That’s you Silver State Trains, RLD Hobbies and Phil’s Narrow Gauge. Thank you for supporting LSC. I may not be a big spending customer but I am a regular one.
I want to say thank you to Shad and Bob. What the two of you have provided to me in your respective forums over the last few years has been invaluable. I started at MLS and very much appreciated the information and inspiration I found from Shad and the many talented modelers over there. I ultimately decided that LSC is the place for me, pretty much for the reasons Bob Cope outlined above. Certainly not because of any hard feelings toward MLS or its moderators.
That means Bob is the last man standing as the owner of the only hobbyist run forum in GR. Sounds like most of us would like to keep Large Scale Central that way. We can all help out by using that little “Donate” box in the upper right hand corner of the home page. Even a few dollars helps, so it shouldn’t break anyone’s budget. I for one am going to follow my buddy Rooster’s example (check the banner on the Rolling Stock forum). Bob I want to member sponsor the figure forum for 2014. Please send me a message with the amount and whether you want to be paid by check or Pay-pal.
For those of you joining us from MLS, “Welcome Aboard”.
Now lets put the coal to this iron horse and see if we can make the pass before the snow flys!
Boomer
Well said.
Bob McCown said:
Laphroaig, two fingers, neat.
[Cheers.]
A sociologist would have a field day with the folks reacting to this kind of news. Yes, things change [“there is nothing so constant as change” as someone said.] We don’t own these forums - we use them for $0 (most of us.) Of course we’ll get ads thrown at us - hopefully Bob has a low-budget operation and doesn’t try to make too much of a profit. VS obviously spotted the opportunity to make money from user forums - they aren’t philanthropists. So MLS users can look forward to lots more ads - whatever Shad says now, he has no control over what happens next year.
I’m really curious why he bothered to become a member here and to join in this discussion. He’s already withdrawn from MLS and isn’t playing with trains.
Pete Thornton said:
I’m really curious why he bothered to become a member here and to join in this discussion. He’s already withdrawn from MLS and isn’t playing with trains.
Pre-cisely. Something is afoot, possibly VS’s next acquisition (not yet announced) requires some softening up by the last acquisition?
This actually stinks…badly.
Couldn’t get him involved before, but now that he’s sold MLS down the river, he’s here.
I don’t have any issue with him BEING here…free country (so far) and all that rot.
The question really is why.
Expect some response that casts aspersions on your lineage for daring to ask the question.
I think Shad is only trying to shed some light on his reasons for getting out of MLS and I think that’s great. As far as VS coming after Bob, I think Bob can look out for himself quite well.
It’s not all doom and gloom.
Pete Thornton said:
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I’m really curious why he bothered to become a member here and to join in this discussion. He’s already withdrawn from MLS and isn’t playing with trains.
He probably needed to correct some “great misconceptions, misinterpretations and misunderstandings”. Some people do that, others don’t sweat the small stuff and just ignore all the “mis”.
BTW there have been others who only registered to “correct the record”; for some peculiar reason they often seem to suffer from a short and/or selective memory.
Just hope this , Bob"s website, does not get corrupted from the fallout. Been here a long time and have enjoyed being a member and will continue to be till the ride is over.
Bob has and is keeping this site up an running like it should of which I do appreciate very much.
Other site, most of you know, was open then closed and on again but then finally folded.
The other site was run kind of hap-hazard like running slow and other issues that were never fixed.
So in my opinion, only the best did survive. Aint that the truth?
TOF in Oregon
I am very naive when it comes to commercialism of forums but if a really large car related forum with obviously much larger exposure than a niche garden railroad forum, is only worth a low six figure sum to VS, then how much would they offer for MLS??? $20k maximum possibly.
With no disrespect to Bob and most likely for our benefit, LSC has much less exposure in the railroad crowd and thus would be worth considerably less to VS.
Idler is here to present his own defence and correct any misgivings that those naughty expelled members from MLS might spread. He is not here as an agent for VS. If anything it is in their interests to shutdown LSC, thus leaving MLS as the only site to post on. It saves spreading their advertising dollars around. One forum with massive exposure is more attractive to a client than multiple fora with far fewer members.
Idler did not make a fortune out of this deal. I feel that he was at the end of his tether with personal issues and forum matters and wanted to make a clean break. Obviously, part of the acquisition would have been helpful assistance to the admin personnel of VS for a defined period, then he will be off to the wide blue yonder, far , far away from anything train related.
Shad has done the hobby a definate service against many odds, but maybe he should just take a bow, accept the adulation and then leave the stage while he is on top.
One thing to come out of this is how BENEVOLENT our benevolent dictator is.
Hey Tim…actually just shut up 雄鸡 !
Bob McCown said:
- Member Submissions Representations. In connection with Member Submissions, you further agree that you will not: …(ii) publish falsehoods or misrepresentations that could damage [redacted] or any third party; (iii) submit material that is … libelous, threatening… harassing, hateful…
Number 4 (now number 1 with the edit) caught my eye. “publish falsehoods or misrepresentations that damage or any third party.” So if manufacturer X goes to VS and says user Y is publishing “falsehoods” (because they deny that a problem exists in the first place) than VS has the ‘right’ to edit/modify/delete user Y’s post because it “publishing falsehoods” according to the third party?
David Russell said:
Hey Tim…actually just shut up 雄鸡 !
David,
it is David is it not or are you just a cock that likes to crow a lot? Could you be a little more explicit as I am a little in doubt as to what you really mean?
I think he’s having a McColgan moment…just a guess…
David Russell said:
Hey Tim…actually just shut up 雄鸡 !
Wow, That was a little hard wasn’t it… Your the Sponsor of a forum now, you can ease up
and spread the Luv.
I have given money by buying a freight shed some months ago to support the site as it cost money and time to run it.
Tim Brien said:
I am very naive when it comes to commercialism of forums but if a really large car related forum with obviously much larger exposure than a niche garden railroad forum, is only worth a low six figure sum to VS, then how much would they offer for MLS??? $20k maximum possibly.
With no disrespect to Bob and most likely for our benefit, LSC has much less exposure in the railroad crowd and thus would be worth considerably less to VS.
Idler is here to present his own defence and correct any misgivings that those naughty expelled members from MLS might spread. He is not here as an agent for VS. If anything it is in their interests to shutdown LSC, thus leaving MLS as the only site to post on. It saves spreading their advertising dollars around. One forum with massive exposure is more attractive to a client than multiple fora with far fewer members.
Idler did not make a fortune out of this deal. I feel that he was at the end of his tether with personal issues and forum matters and wanted to make a clean break. Obviously, part of the acquisition would have been helpful assistance to the admin personnel of VS for a defined period, then he will be off to the wide blue yonder, far , far away from anything train related.
Shad has done the hobby a definate service against many odds, but maybe he should just take a bow, accept the adulation and then leave the stage while he is on top.
One thing to come out of this is how BENEVOLENT our benevolent dictator is.
I’m not sure why you can’t just use my name instead of calling me names and referring to me negatively. To be honest Tim, I don’t even know why you have an axe to grind with me. To my recollection, I’ve done you no harm.
I can’t comment on the terms of the deal, but I was happy with it. Not thrilled, but happy. I really did just need something off my plate. MLS ended up being it. I’ll never be far away from trains, they’re in my blood. I’m the first in several generations to NOT have worked for the railroad in some fashion. Admittedly, it’ll most likely be in smaller scales. Time and space are at a premium and HO fits a little more into my lifestyle at the moment.
If you think about it, it really defeats the purpose of VS’s acquisition to make drastic changes to the status quo and drive all their traffic away. That’s like buying an ice cream truck and then putting mostly hamburgers on the menu. Eventually people looking for ice cream will stop coming your way. (OK that was a poor example but you get my drift.) Time and time again, the VS team expressed to me that they intend to keep things “as is”. They bought MLS because it works financially the way it is. They were actually impressed with the revenue the site brought in and told me flat out that they didn’t think they could squeeze much more out of it. So I’ll be surprised if there are more crazy intrusive ads. My hope is that they are able to build relationships with the existing advertisers and also gain new ones.
Bob, I commend for what you’ve built here. It’s a great site, even if it does harbor a few troublemakers. I regret not ever getting to meet you in person. I think I had the chance once at ECLSTS, but I chickened out. I got so brow beaten by another forum owner for a long time that I got really gun shy about reaching out to anyone else in the business side of the hobby. I’d been meaning to register here for a long time, just to make appearances etc, but never did for fear of retribution from well, you can see from this thread.
For some strange bizarre reason, I felt the need to defend my honor. That need has passed. I’ll bow out here as it’s obvious that the vocal few don’t want me around. As my signature on MLS reads, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” - Abraham Lincoln
Shad don’t let some of the &%#&& chase you out.