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LGB Repair time!

General Discussion
#61
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
It's a bitch when ERNST PAUL LEHMANN PATENTWERK provides the warranty, mind you the full name was/is ERNST PAUL LEHMANN PATENTWERK oHG which means Rolf and Johannes Richter are fully, personally liable. As I said it's a bitch! :lol: :lol: Those are the subtle differences in law, but I realize that is of little interest to "Ventilators"!
Let's see now, Swiss Canadian machinery repairman, part time ski slope clown, self styled chef and now International Lawyer. We all remain in awe of your talents, wait maybe that was just a yawn.

My farther always advises " Wish in one hand and evacuate your bowels in the other and see which one gets full first." (His version is shorter.)

Are you implying that if one owns a web address, pays for it’s hosting and then links it to another of their web addresses they are incurring a legal obligation to a defunct company? Now that’s a Gummi stretch even for an Internet Lawyer! So many hats.

#62
Jack Barton said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
It's a bitch when ERNST PAUL LEHMANN PATENTWERK provides the warranty, mind you the full name was/is ERNST PAUL LEHMANN PATENTWERK oHG which means Rolf and Johannes Richter are fully, personally liable. As I said it's a bitch! :lol: :lol: Those are the subtle differences in law, but I realize that is of little interest to "Ventilators"!
Let's see now, Swiss Canadian machinery repairman, part time ski slope clown, self styled chef and now International Lawyer. We all remain in awe of your talents, wait maybe that was just a yawn.

My farther always advises " Wish in one hand and evacuate your bowels in the other and see which one gets full first." (His version is shorter.)

Are you implying that if one owns a web address, pays for it’s hosting and then links it to another of their web addresses they are incurring a legal obligation to a defunct company? Now that’s a Gummi stretch even for an Internet Lawyer! So many hats.


Jack nothing to do with how much I read up on that particular section of German law (obligations under oHG). As for the rest, that link is just one more indication of how things can go a bit “fuzzy”. OTOH if you read the LGB Warranty carefully even you should be able to get the FACTS. :wink: :slight_smile: Nothing to do with Märklin!

PS You forgot a few of my other hobbies. Not for me to be a dullard who kollekts things. :stuck_out_tongue: :confused:

#63

Yes, watching these threads is more fun than watching three monkeys try to copulate with a football!

#64

Steve,

Have you noticed that the “Ventilator” traffic increases every time we get closer to an announcement that is “not very favourable”? That name change has been very long in coming and it is finally in print. :smiley: :smiley:

#65

Eye of the beholder!

I consider it to be a very favorable announcement. But my glasses are not near as dark as some and the “boogie man” hasn’t worried me since age eleven.

#66

Jack,

How favourable it is the market will decide. However an interesting wrinkle is the fact that these announcements come in little drips and drabs. A little bit at the GRNC, a bit more now, then a little bit when the website goes on line. Has been the same since July 26th 2007, drips and drabs. They must have some genius of a marketing/sales/PR manager on staff, eh?

I can hardly wait for that website to go on line, first thing to look for is that USRA 0-6-0 and delivery info for the Hillman clamps!

#67

Does this mean you’re “waiting for next week”?

#68
Steve Featherkile said:
Yes, watching these threads is more fun than watching three monkeys try to copulate with a football!
Steve, When I read The 3 monkeys part I laughed so hard that I went into coughing fit from my Bronchitis. Was still laughing (and coughing) 20 minutes later.

LAO

#69

Steve,
when I heard the story it was …" as funny as a monkey ******* a football." No doubt this one was a very ‘friendly’ football with three suitors.

#70
Tim Brien said:
Steve, when I heard the story it was ......." as funny as a monkey ******* a football." No doubt this one was a very 'friendly' football with three suitors.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Big question: Who gets kissed? :smiley: :smiley:

#71

The “three monkeys” was reference to the number of personas Marvin had on-line at that particular time.

#72

Well I called today after 10 weeks and was told. They are no longer doing repairs for LGB. I said thanks for the 10 week hold and the great service.
Just Great ,two POS engines I can’t run. I think there a Dam bunch of Liars holding it for that long ASSHOLES !

#73

Ok ,i feel a little better now. I had to let it out.

#74
Bryan Johnson said:
Well I called today after 10 weeks and was told. They are no longer doing repairs for LGB. I said thanks for the 10 week hold and the great service. Just Great ,two POS engines I can't run. I think there a Dam bunch of Liars holding it for that long ASSHOLES !
Bryan,
HJ said:
Don't be surprised if your item is returned without being repaired, that can easily happen if they don't have the required parts.
Of course the Ventilators will tell you that the repair ball is in LGB® Märklin's court, which still leaves the question: Why jerk the customer around for ten weeks. I hope you don't have to pay shipping to get your engines back. Would you like me to inquire with the guys in Nürnberg what they suggest?
#75

I’ll take any suggestions Hanz !
I guess it’s a good thing I figured out how to glue the drive shaft on the Mikado so I run it. I’m SOL on the Stainz gears for now.
Maybe I’ll have a Red Box burning in the yard this weekend while I run the Aristo stuff !

#76
Bryan Johnson said:
Well I called today after 10 weeks and was told. They are no longer doing repairs for LGB. I said thanks for the 10 week hold and the great service. Just Great ,two POS engines I can't run. I think there a Dam bunch of Liars holding it for that long ASSHOLES !
Wait until next week!
#77
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
John Joseph Sauer said:
As I said- I'll believe it when I see it!
Marvin,

What’s the problem? It will be “Next week”, no sweat! :smiley: That’s like “Domani, Domani” to the Italians.


Or Manana, to the Mexicans, but without the urgency. :smiley:

#78

I really know nothing about these matters. But I am curious.
Distributors sometimes accept warranty responsibilities to get the best possible deal from the manufacturer.
Any chance LGB and lgbOA had this type of contract?
Ralph

#79
Ralph Berg said:
I really know nothing about these matters. But I am curious. Distributors sometimes accept warranty responsibilities to get the best possible deal from the manufacturer. Any chance LGB and lgbOA had this type of contract? Ralph
We'll never know, but my guess is: absolutely!
#80

Ralph,
LGBoA was specifically set up to handle distribution and warranty/servicing related problems with the product, in the late 80’s?. Until the failure to establish a workable distribution arrangement with Marklin, LGBoA were carrying out their responsibilities, seemingly to the satisfaction of all customers. Remember that until the 2006 wink and a nod handshake deal, LGBoA was part of EP Lehmann. Once no ‘deal’ could be met, then now being a separate entity from EP Lehmann (since 2006), I do not believe that LGBoA had a contractual arrangement to still service the product. For almost two years, LGBoA were carrying out servicing on LGB products. It seems that the work carried out was not fully renumerated by the customer, as numerous reports of customers being charged a ‘service’ fee and yet numerous detail parts being replaced on the item. Specifically who was ‘picking up the tab’ for the unpaid for work is open to speculation. I believe that as LGBoA had access to a numerous LGB spares inventory, that they fitted for a nominal cost to the consumer, after 2006. After the failure to achieve a 2008 distribution deal then all bets were off. Sounds like a sensible arrangement to me as there was no mention of a servicing arrangement being agreed to between Marklin and LGBoA for 2008.

     I see LGBoA as a festering wound in the original 2006 debacle and it has now become a cast off casualty of that famous handshake agreement, two years ago.