Jack Barton said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Finally! HJ gets it! I enjoy my TOY trains whenever handle them, run them or even look at them in the catalog. I always thought that "BLISS" was what this hobby was all about.
it's called the Bliss Factor.I guess for some it’s about the “dis” and “bitch” and that’s a shame.
The whole scale issue has been out of hand for so long, I used to belong to a rivet couting club, runs an HO layout to a timetable, full switch lists, car forwarding system ect. I got tired of it. Felt more like a job than having fun with trains. I am sure for many, that is fun, to operate a miniture railroad as close to the prototype as possible. These days to escape the stress of life, I would rather retreat into the garden with my live steam 0-4-0 locomotive, while not a model of any particular prototype, it is a model of a locomotive on my railway. So it is its own prototype, quite cheeky and able to make an ample steam plume. My curves are to tight, checkrailed and ballested with pea gravel. But its my railroad as i see fit. As my friends in the UK say, “Rule 8 applies!” Back to playing with trains, toys, whatever as long as its fun and relaxing!
I don’t know.
Seems I can’t beat them off with a stick around here for ops sessions.
There’s a half-dozen or so who were never into model railroads at all, some who were fringe dwellers, some nmra members.
Yet, they all come and run ops, sometimes for 7 hours straight!
Curmudgeon said:And in the end that is all that matters!
I don't know. Seems I can't beat them off with a stick around here for ops sessions. There's a half-dozen or so who were never into model railroads at all, some who were fringe dwellers, some nmra members. Yet, they all come and run ops, sometimes for 7 hours straight!
Part of what is behind my father’s thinking. The man that handlaid dual gauge HO/n3 track and scratchbuilt brass steam just ordered the Lionel GG1 heritage set with the Madison cars. Why? He has one on the shelf from 1948, his dad got it as he was recovering from polio at age 10. A toy, yes…his models…same enjoyment!
Tim Brien said:
Steve, just for you -(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/zzzzzzzzzDSCa.jpg)
(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/zzzzzzzzzDSCb.jpg)
Thanks, Tim, I knew I had seen it somewhere. That’s really cool.
Jack Barton said:Jack, why would you be opposed to LGB, or any other manufacturer, stating what scale they're using, and sticking with it?Curmudgeon said:And you'll never fully know how happy that makes me and the rest of us LGB buyers! We never want you on our side. Bachmann taught us that lesson.
You tell me you are making a model of something, I want to know the prototype and the scale. You mis-represent either, I don't buy that product.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Why must a person be considered ignorant simply because he enjoys trains that are not perfectly to scale?
Well Jack, I have some News for you The Bliss Factor is directly proportional to the "IgQ" as in 1:1 full size (IgQ stands for Ignorance Quotient). Since your Bliss Factor is - according to your statement - at the very upper limit ..... well I guess your IgQ is in the same rarefied region. That's what one would surmise from your statements, but it is always nice to have a firm acknowledgement. ;) :/
Ray, the answer is longer than I have time for tonight. I’ll attempt to explain it tomorrow.
Translation:
He’ll spend a sleepless night trying to concoct a plausible story…and fail miserably.
Ray Dunakin said:Ray,Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Why must a person be considered ignorant simply because he enjoys trains that are not perfectly to scale?
Well Jack, I have some News for you The Bliss Factor is directly proportional to the "IgQ" as in 1:1 full size (IgQ stands for Ignorance Quotient). Since your Bliss Factor is - according to your statement - at the very upper limit ..... well I guess your IgQ is in the same rarefied region. That's what one would surmise from your statements, but it is always nice to have a firm acknowledgement. ;) :/
Ever heard the expression: “Ignorance is Bliss”? Applies to pretty well everything in life, not just trains.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Ray Dunakin said:Ray,Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Why must a person be considered ignorant simply because he enjoys trains that are not perfectly to scale?
Well Jack, I have some News for you The Bliss Factor is directly proportional to the "IgQ" as in 1:1 full size (IgQ stands for Ignorance Quotient). Since your Bliss Factor is - according to your statement - at the very upper limit ..... well I guess your IgQ is in the same rarefied region. That's what one would surmise from your statements, but it is always nice to have a firm acknowledgement. ;) :/Ever heard the expression: “Ignorance is Bliss”? Applies to pretty well everything in life, not just trains.
Ralph
Ralph,
How do you know which side of the line you are on? :lol:
Ralph Berg said:
HJ, I can take a 4 inch long 2x4 piece of wood,a 2 inch long 2x4,nail the short piece on top of the long piece.Paint it to look like a car and I have a model of a car. It is not a scale model, but a model none the less. There is a fine line between idiot and genius. Unfortunately all geniuses cross back and forth. Stay on the wrong side of the line for too long.....they lock you up. Myself........I'd much rather be happy than obsessive.Ralph
Absolutely, you could then also call it minimalist modern art, big money in that. But I’d advise against offering it to Dave Goodson as a “model car”, apparently he has seen a few cars in his life and knows what the model should look like.
How about happily obsessive or obsessively happy, but most of all, not purposely ignorant? 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Ralph Berg said:
HJ, I can take a 4 inch long 2x4 piece of wood,a 2 inch long 2x4,nail the short piece on top of the long piece.Paint it to look like a car and I have a model of a car. It is not a scale model, but a model none the less. There is a fine line between idiot and genius. Unfortunately all geniuses cross back and forth. Stay on the wrong side of the line for too long.....they lock you up. Myself........I'd much rather be happy than obsessive.Ralph
Ralph,Absolutely, you could then also call it minimalist modern art, big money in that. But I’d advise against offering it to Dave Goodson as a “model car”, apparently he has seen a few cars in his life and knows what the model should look like.
How about happily obsessive or obsessively happy, but most of all, not purposely ignorant?
Steve Featherkile said:
Ralph,How do you know which side of the line you are on? :lol:
Brian Donovan said:
You better run HJ! The villagers are angry!(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/altterrain/forums/villagers-HJ.jpg)
-Brian
Priceless :lol: Ralph
Basically, everything that LGB manufactured has been compromised by strict adherence to the ‘R1’ rule, even down to the handbuilt masterpieces contracted to specialist builders. Even Botchmann saw the light and made products suited to larger diameters. One would shudder years ago if one was told “One day, son, Bachmann products will be more scale accurate and detailed than Lehmann products.”
The R1 rule set the perceived ‘scale’ (or lack there of), as compromising length required other dimensions be compromised to make the model more aesthetic and less of a caricature.
Is there some reason why you can’t have it both ways?
John Joseph Sauer said:No. Consumers have hollered long and loud (and been repeated by dealers) to make the equipment more "to-scale". IF it's "to-scale", the "toy" crowd could care less, but the "scalies" will buy it, too.
Is there some reason why you can't have it both ways?
That’s YOUR opinion and you are welcomed to it- on the other hand there have been quite a number of posters to this thread who view things differently.
You guys in the “scalies” seem to be threatened by anything that doesn’t please you- give me a break!
