Mik said:
Neither politics nor religion. Just a simple fundamental question. Do you believe that the rule of law as set forth in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights applies equally to all citizens, or don’t you?
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, though. OK I’ll go to my room. Remember the good old days?
The devil made me do it!
Woof woof!
BTW, yes I’m a Marxist - the Groucho kind… or maybe Chico… I used to have stuff by Louis too! (there, now it’s train related)
Mik, Like you I am a confirmed Marxist, Groucho that is… :lol:
Welcome to the Party Comrade 
Okay now Chico and Harpo have been heard from…where’s Groucho? 
Is that supposed to be William Wallace or is it a statue of Mel Gibson that had to be barracaded to prevent vandalism by enraged womens groups? :lol:
Man, that hurts! Talk about thread jacking!
Oh boy now we are going to pick on poor Mel, me thinks he has enough problems as it is!! LOL Regal
Steve Featherkile said:
Man, that hurts! Talk about thread jacking!
HAHAHAHAHA! thats so cruel, but very funny :lol:
Oh boy Steve, now I’m gonna have nightmares about Lorena Bobbit
Mike Morgan said:Kinda sorta on related theme, this in Yahoo news was interesting yesterday:
...so does the leader of most Muslim countries .
A Muslim Questions the Mosque
Asra Q. Nomani – Tue Aug 10, 1:52 am ET said:
The Tea Party activists actually express the sentiments of Muslims such as myself who believe we have a serious problem inside our Muslim communities.There is a war raging in the world today, not just between America and radical Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, but within Islam itself. The two mosques—one a dream, the other a reality—belong, on paper at least, in the same neighborhood—blocks apart, and just blocks from where the World Trade Center once stood. Yet, the worlds represented by these two mosques could not be further apart.
We’re not being honest in our Muslim community about the violent ideology inside of our Muslim world that needs to be defeated, and so the war has spread beyond our community to include the Tea Party activists. In the name of political correctness, too many inside our Muslim community have been apologists for Islam, feeling defensive, but not being as brutally honest as the world needs us to be about this problem.
I may not share their political language but I believe their fears are legitimate. And for those who disagree, I have just two words: Faisal Shahzad, the alleged would-be Times Square bomber.
Liberal and progressive Americans and their organizations have dropped the ball in having a nuanced, intelligent critique of extremist Islamic ideology, currying pluralism points instead in the name of interfaith relations.
In their PR campaign to defend the name of Islam, mainstream American Muslim organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations have failed to acknowledge there is an interpretation of Islam that preaches violent jihad against the West. Their mantra has become this: “Islam is a religion of peace,” and they try to explain away men such as the alleged Fort Hood gunman, Major Nidal Hassan, by saying, “He isn’t Muslim.” Now they are jumping onto the Ground Zero bandwagon in the name of religious freedom.
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I was born into a conservative Muslim family from India, where my mother grew up wearing the full-on black shroud and face veil, called the niqab, and emigrated to the U.S. with my family when I was 4. I remain a Muslim, and I wish I had had a mosque that welcomed people like me, without the prohibitions and edicts of the “the Salafi mosque,” which declares on its website that celebrating “non-Muslim festivities” such as Christmas is “forbidden,” and that among the “seven conditions for a women’s dress” the fourth item is: “The female clothing must not resemble the man’s clothing.” “The Salafi mosque” relegates women to the shadows and preaches isolation rather than assimilation.
We need an expression of institutional Islam that is moderate, progressive and liberal. We don’t have it yet. There is only one mosque in America where women can pray in the front row. It’s in Toledo, Ohio.