And another thing I don’t understand is every quick stop within 25 miles of my house is run by an Indian/Pakistani/Oriental. I can’t figure it out.
Are the native born off to bigger and better things, or living on the guvmint?
I don’t get it at all.
Growing up in Wenatchee, WA, I used to work my way through the orchards in the summers, picking tree fruit, starting with cherries in June. I made pretty good money, too.
Ten years earlier, schools used to close for two weeks in late September to allow the high school kids to pick apples.
I think today’s kids would be willing to do the same thing, if only they could get hired. I know my kids would have, and they are only a few years out of high school.
John Bouck said:They are buying out all the convenience stores. Just like everything else in the US. Being bought by foreigners. They will work for one of the big chains long enough to learn the business, then buy their own store. Ralph
And another thing I don't understand is every quick stop within 25 miles of my house is run by an Indian/Pakistani/Oriental. I can't figure it out. Are the native born off to bigger and better things, or living on the guvmint? I don't get it at all.
Ralph Berg said:Sooo .... what's wrong with that? They got the money, they acquire the necessary skills and then they become enterpreneurs. And since "Convenience" is a huge consideration in NA, they do just fine, thank you very much!John Bouck said:They are buying out all the convenience stores. Just like everything else in the US. Being bought by foreigners. They will work for one of the big chains long enough to learn the business, then buy their own store. Ralph
And another thing I don't understand is every quick stop within 25 miles of my house is run by an Indian/Pakistani/Oriental. I can't figure it out. Are the native born off to bigger and better things, or living on the guvmint? I don't get it at all.
BTW you didn’t expect them to show the big chains some great undying loyalty, did you? 
Some of the foreigners learn a lot quicker than other people. 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Ralph Berg said:Sooo .... what's wrong with that? They got the money, they acquire the necessary skills and then they become enterpreneurs. And since "Convenience" is a huge consideration in NA, they do just fine, thank you very much!John Bouck said:They are buying out all the convenience stores. Just like everything else in the US. Being bought by foreigners. They will work for one of the big chains long enough to learn the business, then buy their own store. Ralph
And another thing I don't understand is every quick stop within 25 miles of my house is run by an Indian/Pakistani/Oriental. I can't figure it out. Are the native born off to bigger and better things, or living on the guvmint? I don't get it at all.BTW you didn’t expect them to show the big chains some great undying loyalty, did you?
I just explained what was taking place.
Learn quicker than what people?
The word is entrepreneurs. I guess some do learn quicker.
Ralph
Many, many liquor and convenience stores here in California are (or have been) owned and operated by Southeast Asian immigrants. During the 1980s and into the 90s there was a state sponsored program that gave preference to Cambodian and Vietnam ‘refugees’ in securing liquor licenses and also guaranteed the business loans that allowed them to purchase these enterprises.
Liquor stores were the favorite enterprise of these folks, as they are typically open long hours (legal liquor hours in California are 6:00am to 2:00am: 20 hours / day) with low (typically one clerk) manning levels. Many families bought existing stores and simply moved their family into the store room, with mom and pop, grandma and grandpa along with all the kids manning the store on a round the clock basis. Compared to conditions where they came from, life was wonderful and most really prospered.
My acquaintance who sold his liquor store to a SE Asian immigrant family in the 1980s said he was glad to find some folks that were prepared to work the hours necessary to have the store open at all hours. He was tired of hiring staff who didn’t show up, would steal or worse, then demand more money on a regular basis. The Asian families don’t have any of those problems and the wage rate for family members could be as little as a bowl of rice / day.
In general, these immigrants are successful because of their hard work and the dedication of the entire family to making the business operate. Most of our American born kids do not have the same dedication to the family enterprise and in fact, the younger Asian kids often follow the example of American-born young folks as time passes.
More recently, there has been a move away from the Asian owned stores and a general takeover by immigrants from India, Pakistan and the middle east. From my observation, these folks have the same high energy work ethic and dedication to the family enterprise.
BTW, no one is stopping any of us from starting a liquor or convenience store. Just convince your wife and kids to take the early and late shifts, drop around in mid-day to count the money and pay the bills, and life will be good.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
p.s. I am not aware of any significant problem with illegal immigration by any of the above mentioned ethnic groups.
Jerry
“During the 1980s and into the 90s there was a state sponsored program that gave preference to Cambodian and Vietnam ‘refugees’ in securing liquor licenses and also guaranteed the business loans that allowed them to purchase these enterprises.”
This is what I have a problem with. I might buy my own store if somebody gave me preference in licensing and guaranteed the loan.
I seriously doubt I could emigrate to any country in the world and get this kind of deal.
I know I can’t get it here where I was born.
Ralph
Ralph:
I strongly agree with your comments on preferences, but I still would not want to own and operate a 20+ hour / day enterprise where the is always a significant possibility of robbery and murder.
I didn’t want to get into the negative aspects of the takeover of the stores by a single ethnic group, but in addition to complaints about the favored status in licensing and financing, there were many cases of children selling liquor as well as building code and zoning violations where these large, extended families were living in the back of the store. I remember lots of complaints and aggravation over those issues, with the authorities taking little action. My friend who sold the liquor store groused that he wouldn’t be allowed to do what the folks who bought his establishment were doing!
The favored status programs have disappeared as these immigrants to some significant degree have assimilated into the general population. Lots of the SE Asian immigrants and their descendants in the S.F. bay area now live in houses that are much better than mine and their kids are competing with each other to get into the limited state university slots, so from some standpoints, the preference programs were successful.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
“I strongly agree with your comments on preferences, but I still would not want to own and operate a 20+ hour / day enterprise where the is always a significant possibility of robbery and murder.”
Jerry,
Truth be known I would be bored to death stuck in a store for any length of time, dangerous or not.
I wonder if incentives for refugees have ended on the Federal level. I hear all kinds of stories…no Fed. income tax for 7 years…guaranteed loans…and all kinds of other stuff.
I hear the same kind of things about Mexicans.
Even with the internet, these kind of things are hard to prove, one way or the other.
Ralph
Here is the Snopes.com article covering this subject - seemed to not disclaim or deny most of the stats. But says some sources are unavailable because of political correctness in Government statistics.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp
Victor seems to be to busy cussing and raising his blood pressure to look this up or have a discussion.
The Snopes just confirms to me what I said, namely that the “facts” are questionable at best and that the e-mail is more about throwing stones at a straw man and avoiding that if big companies like Tyson and smaller companies looking to cut corners didnt make it easy for illegals to get jobs, there simply wouldnt be as many illegals coming up looking for those jobs.
All I’m saying is to blame the symptom (illegals in your neighborhood) while ignoring the cause (easy jobs and a system that looks the other way regarding employers) is bad medicine. Crack down on the employers and the flow will stop, or at least slow, but its bad politics to go after big companies that have given lots of campaign contributions to both parties.
There will ALWAYS be some illegals, especially here in the southwest, this area was Mexico longer than its been the US so there are far too many family and cultural ties to expect a metal fence to somehow isolate each from the other, and it shouldnt be that way anyhow. My “anger” is that the true root causes always seems to get lost in the rush to throw stones at anyone who looks like they could wear a sombrero.
How can Californians afford model trains?
That’s really easy–illegal immigrant labor has brought down the price of basic staples, like food, and services, like construction, gardening, and domestic work. There’s nothing complicated about it. You want cheap lettuce? A cheap jumbo size chicken sandwich? You want an addition on your house? If you can afford it, thank an illegal immigrant.
Our area has huge numbers of illegal immigrants and the outlying suburbs are among the most anti-immigrant in the country.
If you want to stop illegal immigration–assuming you can which I doubt–then be prepared to pay a lot more for basic stuff. Speaking for myself, I’d be willing to do it. I’d rather pay more and know that the person who made the thing is getting a living wage. But I don’t actually have that option very often.
The way to stop it is not to build ridiculous walls, or have citizen patrols of texas ranger wannabes, the way to stop it is to fine employers who hire illegals. Then they would have to pay higher wages, which means we would have to pay higher costs
Put it’s really tough to go after, say, a construction contractor who rounds up five laborers every morning. Fine him, and he’ll just say his margins are tight, you’re putting him out of business.
It’s not really that big a problem–it’s a problem, but not a crisis. Illegals pay sales tax, they pay gas tax, and they pay property tax if they own property. Who wants to argue against someone who comes here willing to work hard for low wages, so he can make a better life for himself and his family? Yikes! We don’t want people like THAT around!
I can’t disagree with anything Mike or Victor has said in their last posts right above this. I sometimes feel that certain parts of our government want to ignore illegal immigration because it is propping up a failing welfare and social security program. Earlier in this post, I’ve stated that people that do not follow the rules of hiring should be fined or fired, I know I would.
I don’t care for my tax dollar (that would be the Federal part of the welfare) to support the illegal activity in other states and I guess I’m getting old enough to resist the changes and want to ask - don’t you guys see what is going on?
Had to include this - this is what we get from California.
Windfall Tax on Retirement Income
Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you’re so darnned stupid that we’re going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That’s what the Speaker of the House is saying.
Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren’t going to believe this.
Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi& nbsp;wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!
This woman is frightening.
She quotes…’ We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn’t Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.’ ( I am not rich, are you)
When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
‘We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigr ants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.’ (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. ‘Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it’.
This lady is out of her mind and she is the speaker of the house and from California.
It’s not true–Snopes again
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp
She never said anything like this.
mike omalley said:
It's not true--Snopes againhttp://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp
She never said anything like this.
Does not surprise me. We seem to get bombarded with much misinformation. The truth is inconsequential as long as it furthers the cause.
Ralph
Ralph Berg said:mike omalley said:
It's not true--Snopes againhttp://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp
She never said anything like this.
Does not surprise me. We seem to get bombarded with much misinformation. The truth is inconsequential as long as it furthers the cause.
Ralph
Ralph
should that be “The truth is inconsequential as long as the BS furthers the cause.” ???
Never allow the truth to interfere with a good story.
It sure sounds like something she would say though, doesn’t it?
Shields up!
Cap’n, the shields are down to 20%! :lol:
…grinning…