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Holy Crap. LGB files for German bankruptcy protection-hostile ta

Back to the topic of the thread:

Nürnberger Zeitung said:
Unterstützung war da

Ließ Familie LGB entgleisen?

NÜRNBERG — Die Pleite des Modellbahn-Herstellers LGB war gestern auch Thema bei der Sitzung des Nürnberger Stadtrates.

OB Ulrich Maly widersprach Vorwürfen, das Wirtschaftsreferat der Stadt hätte nicht beizeiten eingegriffen. Schon vor Monaten habe Wirtschaftsreferent Roland Fleck in Gesprächen zu vermitteln versucht. Die Gesellschafter - Wolfgang Richter, sein Sohn Rolf sowie sein Neffe Johannes - hatte vor allem die Banken für die Schieflage von LGB verantwortlich gemacht. Bei der Stadtratssitzung wurde aber deutlich, dass die Kredit gebenden Banken im Frühjahr 2005 einer Tilgungsstundung zugestimmt hatten, die bis 31. August dieses Jahres verlängert worden war. Die Geduld der Banken war offenbar zu Ende, als die Richters ihre US-Vertriebstochter ohne Rücksprache verkauft hatten. Die Kreditinstitute hatten dem Vernehmen nach den Einstieg eines US-Investors präferiert. Die Produktion für die nächsten drei Monate sei gesichert, um das Weihnachtsgeschäft mitzunehmen.

HJ translation said:
The support was available

Did the Family let LGB go off the rails?

The insolvency of model railway producer LGB was yesterday on the agenda of city council.

Mayor Ulrich Maly contradicted the accusations the city’s economic development department had wasted time to intervene. Roland Fleck, an industrial management consultant, had been in mediation talks with the parties months ago. The owners - Wolfgang Richter, his son Rolf Richter as well as nephew Johannes Richter - put the blame for the difficult position on the banks. But statements during the council meeting clearly indicated that the banks agreed in the Spring of 2005 to a credit repayment stop, which was extended to August 31, 2006. The patience of the banks apparently reached an end, when the Richters sold their American distribution arm without informing the creditors. The understanding is that the banks would instead have preferred the addition of a US investor. The production for the next three months - the Christmas sales - is assured.


I have a feeling the information that surfaced at the Nürnberg city council meeting is very unlikely to appear in a LGB press release and most certainly not in the English version. :wink: :slight_smile: :wink:

I have read a few statements by the president of G45 on the various fora; while I appreciate that this is a difficult situation I am still astounded by the continuing spin that this receives. I would have hoped that past experience would have been a lesson. Today’s world is a small place, communications have never been better and it isn’t like the “good old days”! As the president of “G45” one can’t afford the luxury of a “time out” when the questions get more precise, the “good old days” of the G-Scale Group or for that matter the “benign” atmosphere of the “LGB Club” forum just don’t apply elsewhere. There are plenty of people who are looking forward to getting the straight facts, instead of a sob story.

Of course this is, as always, strictly my opinion!

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
There are plenty of people who are looking forward to getting the straight facts, instead of a sob story.
It seems, Mueller is working for the LGB public relation Fog Machine now. An incredible low level of offending and discussion in this thread. Maybe he better should return to his workbench. That looked promising for a few days.

Simply wait a few days and new names will appear in the context of LGB/EPL. Simply check at MLS every one in a while. Speculation or washerwomen´s chitty chatty is not really entertaining.

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner

Well, looks like I missed a good cat fight, yesterday. T’was too busy running trains with our local and international friends. Yes folks, some of us do run trains - LGB and other brands. From where we sit, it is a great time to be in the hobby and people shouldn’t be allowed to have this much fun. In the Midwest, the weather is beautiful and I wish you all were here. LGB will survive and we will buy their products or they won’t and we will buy other company’s products.

http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?id=6421

Time , I think , to reveal the plan .
For some time now I have had this reference under my belt . Some of you on the forum know about it . Now between us , we have produced sufficient flame , perhaps you can all enjoy the identifying of others and even yourself from the following .
My thanks to those who kept it quiet .
Heavens , I may even apologise for pushing too hard .

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

Mike.

I do hope that you all enjoy it .

pps Hans , remember Big Dog and Me Too ?

@ Zirner

@Mike M

Hi,

seems washerwoman Mueller´s powder got wet. He starts throwing with pictures again.

So let´s give him some time, to read the German online papers today and quote from them.

Financial Times is the better choice today.

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner

Victor Smith said:

Funny thing… I thought I started this thread to discuss LGBs implosion…? Its only the biggest thing news wise going on in large scale right now… I didnt start this so it could be hijacked for personal “discussion” by a few. …

Vic, It appears the two “distractors” are upset. :wink: In one case because of lack of info, in the other case because of also missing the boat. That’s t-o-o bad, better luck next time! Add to that the inability to stick with the topic - well, admittedly that is a problem if you don’t have the info! Generally that is regarded as a deficency (ADD = attention deficit disorder) which could have its origins a long way back. Of course there are aggravating factors during an individual’s life time, but I haven’t seen forum participation listed as a factor…not yet. :wink: :slight_smile:

Oh , dear .

DING!

This is my (seemingly) weekly “Knock it off” post.

DING!

Thanks ! We needed that !

Thanks for the link, I was confused at first, but “Duelists” was certainly appropriate.

DING

Regards, Greg

Greg Elmassian said:
Thanks for the link, I was confused at first, but "Duelists" was certainly appropriate.

DING

Regards, Greg


Hi Greg,

Correct!

Two dates come to mind: 2006-09-05 and 2006-01-13

DING

:wink: :slight_smile:

I don’t care who owns LGB or what financial/political machinations are involved. Nor do I care about who hates LGB, who loves them, and who is or isn’t a PITA. All I want to know is, what does all this mean to the end user? Will LGB and all its products go kaput, or simply change hands? How will the product line be affected? Availability? Price? And what will these changes do to the hobby?

I don’t care who owns LGB or what financial/political machinations are involved. Nor do I care about who hates LGB, who loves them, and who is or isn’t a PITA. All I want to know is, what does all this mean to the end user?

At this point, unclear.

Will LGB and all its products go kaput, or simply change hands?

Probably change hands. The line has too much value to simply go “poof”.

How will the product line be affected?

Most likely most if not all will end up being built in PRC, with issues of quality control other manufacturers in PRC have experienced.

Availability?

That’s going to be hard to guess.
With the courts and the bank involved, and what was a listed asset of the parent company, and therefore owned by the bank as collateral, or what was not a listed asset, anything can happen.

Price?

Once the actual costings are calculated, my guess is a whole lot cheaper than they have been.

And what will these changes do to the hobby?

Crap Shoot.
Will it affect consumer confidence?
Maybe.
Will that affect last long?
Nobody knows.
My crystal ball is in the shop right now.
Folks keep saying to “stay tuned”, as when actual, factual information comes out, that is PUBLIC information, someone will post it.

There is a LOT more out there, that is not “public”, and anybody who discusses it in print is not being smart.

Curmudgeon said:
. There is a LOT more out there, that is not “public”, and anybody who discusses it in print is not being smart.

Of course we all try hard to find out what it all means. It´s all in the cards, they say.:

If in doubt, ask the Swiss washerwomen from LSC. Have Fun Juergen Zirner

Ya know, Zipper, you certainly seem to have a full grasp of reality:

"Regarding the commercial decisions of some local modelling firms, I simply read the official press releases which were announced today in business circles, due within the next two weeks.

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner."

So, which ones were YOU reading?

"Hi,

where are the news, united washerwomen? LGB will get a new owner. So what? Who cares?
What´s the difference?

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner"

I thought you did.

"It seems, Mueller is working for the LGB public relation Fog Machine now. An incredible low level of offending and discussion in this thread. Maybe he better should return to his workbench. That looked promising for a few days.

Simply wait a few days and new names will appear in the context of LGB/EPL. Simply check at MLS every one in a while. Speculation or washerwomen´s chitty chatty is not really entertaining.

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner"

So far, zipper, he’s been 100%.

You on the other hand, seem to be 90 proof.

The rules of the board are such that I cannot call you a moron.
Even if you try to get me to call you a moron, I simply cannot call you a moron.
Calling one a moron on this forum is not in good form.
So, I shall not call you a moron.

Just for the record…what actual, factual information on this have you posted?

Oh, wait…I did it for you.

Curmudgeon said:
Ya know, Zipper, you certainly seem to have a full grasp of reality:

YOU SHOULD WORK ON YOUR SPELLING

So, which ones were YOU reading?
READ THE OFFICIAL BILLS, THE BANKS INVOLVED RELEASED,

So far, zipper, he’s been 100%.
You on the other hand, seem to be 90 proof.
HOW DO YOU KNOW ? ACCORDING TO YOUR QUOTES, I DID NOT POST ANY ACTUAL INFORMATION:

The rules of the board are such that I cannot call you a moron.
ARE THERE ANY RULES ?

Just for the record…what actual, factual information on this have you posted?
Oh, wait…I did it for you. THANK YOU SO MUCH: I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT BETTER


Have Fun

Juergen Zirner

Ahhhhhhhh the difficulties of the English language and the usage as it applies to North America.

90 proof = The alcoholic strength of a liquor, expressed by a number that is twice the percentage by volume of alcohol present.

Very apt, very apt in this case!

I know.
And, one would have hoped with the reference to “Zipper”, he’d have zipped his lip, but alas, 'twas not to be.

He was probably over the limit, didn’t catch the impact of “90 proof”.

At least he’s admitted he’s added nothing actual factual.

Yeah, there are rules, like the one that doesn’t allow me to call you a moron.

Gotta get that changed.

Of course, if you’d read all the stuff you claim to have read, you would have known…