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High speed rail in this country

General Discussion
#101

David Maynard said:

Stacy, actually the foreign car market improved American cars. They become more reliable and dependable because of the competition they suddenly had. And I need my car for my job, as so many others also do. Oh sure I could take the T into town, but I couldn’t carry all I need to do my job on the T. The T is our local light rail transit system.

For trips that I take, a train would be a real hassle. I like to be able to leave when I want, and come home when I want. I don’t see me taking a day trip to the other end of the state by train. It just wouldn’t happen. The convenience of having my own transportation and running it on my schedule just cannot be replaced.

Stacy, for someone who gets offended as easy as you have in the past, I wouldn’t be posting that someone is “truly lost” and saying that we are greedy and selfish because we consider our car a necessity. For many of us it is. Mine is so vital to the job I do that my company is starting to invest in company cars. And for someone who lives miles away from the nearest bus stop, they wouldn’t survive without a car. Just because someone doesn’t share your opinion, doesn’t mean they are “lost”, or otherwise deficient.

Ok, I will go back into my little corner now.

David. Stop blustering.

Thanks

PS Also, why is this so personal. Where did I say or infer we should all give up our vehicles for the sake of a HSR system?

Well???

BTW. Lost is a term that I choose to use which describes many people that either won’t evolve or are afraid of the future. Sorry if that word doesn’t fit into your mantra.

#102

nope, I’m not lost…I know exactly where I’m at…Right Smack in the Middle of Rural SC.

For some in higher population density areas-HSR may make sense. But out here in the Country–we ain’t interested. HSR would never help to transport my Hogs to the Butcher 8 miles away. Can you imagine the horror of trying to take my 5 (almost 6) kids to Costco to buy groceries on a train. What about traveling with 5+ children…and God-forbid one or more get sick along the way…

nah, y’all can have it up there…I’ll keep pouring Diesel in the tank down here…

Edit to add:

HSR? We can’t even get High Speed Internet!

#103

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#104

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

#105

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

Hans, unless you have something to contribute to this thread, please stay on topic or don’t post.

I won’t ask twice.

#106

Cale Nelson said:

nope, I’m not lost…I know exactly where I’m at…Right Smack in the Middle of Rural SC.

For some in higher population density areas-HSR may make sense. But out here in the Country–we ain’t interested. HSR would never help to transport my Hogs to the Butcher 8 miles away. Can you imagine the horror of trying to take my 5 (almost 6) kids to Costco to buy groceries on a train. What about traveling with 5+ children…and God-forbid one or more get sick along the way…

nah, y’all can have it up there…I’ll keep pouring Diesel in the tank down here…

Edit to add:

Cale, no one is trying to take your farm from you. Or your precious hogs and truck. Yes, you are lost. Lost upon the idea that this country needs HSR to advance our infrastructure.

You would never have survived back in the 1800’s when trains and stage coaches as well as buck boards and wagons did all the transporting and in those days…people actually had to deal with life far more harsher then you pretend yours is.

HSR will eventually happen. With or without your efforts to denigrate it.

Happy Trails.

#107

wow. done.

#108

Stacy Krausmann said:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

Hans, unless you have something to contribute to this thread, please stay on topic or don’t post.

I won’t ask twice.

That’s OK, Stacy. I freely offer my opinion on a variety of subjects, including getting you up to speed since you seem to have plenty of misconceptions along with faulty facts on all manner of stuff.

Now other than that, the beauty of LSC is the free flow of opinions. You may agree or ignore, your choice, but don’t try to play the heavy, it’s neither impressive nor warranted.

#109

I’ve missed all the drama on this thread - oh well; I’m not going back 6 pages to catch up. Stacy; if you think you can control HJ’s posts you need a history lesson.

My reason for stopping here; Just thought I’d mention that until this country can afford to replace hundreds of moving bridges that are nearing or over 100 years old, you will never have reliable rail travel at any speed. You’ve probably heard the news of the 118 year old WALK swing bridge over the Norwalk River in Connecticut. Got stuck open twice in 10 days stopping Acella, all of Amtrak’s Northeast Corridor Service and the busiest commuter rail system in the nation. The bridge opens many times each day to allow luxury boats and yachts up the river to moorings, or down to Long Island Sound.

#110

Jon Radder said:

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My reason for stopping here; Just thought I’d mention that until this country can afford to replace hundreds of moving bridges that are nearing or over 100 years old, you will never have reliable rail travel at any speed. You’ve probably heard the news of the 118 year old WALK swing bridge over the Norwalk River in Connecticut. Got stuck open twice in 10 days stopping Acella, all of Amtrak’s Northeast Corridor Service and the busiest commuter rail system in the nation. The bridge opens many times each day to allow luxury boats and yachts up the river to moorings, or down to Long Island Sound.

There was a big write-up about that situation in one of the recent issues of TRAINS. BTW until the day I was filming at the Sicamous swing bridge (on CP’s transcon main) I wasn’t aware that waterborne traffic had priority. At Sicamous it’s the flotilla of house boats and other high priority pleasure craft.

What got my attention was the call from RTC to one of the engineers stuck at the bridge “where are you???”. Right after that call a rookie operator of a very large house boat didn’t dare traverse the gap. It took a pilot to get the boat through, arrival of pilot was slightly delayed. Total delay of rail traffic at least 30 minutes - how long the circus was turning before I got there I don’t know - with trains stacked up in either direction.

#111

Stacy Krausmann said:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

Hans, unless you have something to contribute to this thread, please stay on topic or don’t post.

I won’t ask twice.

Stacy,put a sock in it. How did you get through boot camp, much less four years active duty with the Marines with that thin skin? What are you planning to do, punch HJ out? Ha!

I asked you nicely, and privately, to stop this nonsense, now I’m telling you, as Marine to Marine, knock it off! It is unbecoming and brings discredit on my Marine Corps! STFU!

#112

Tea and fancy sandwiches are now being served down the hall gentleman

#113

Alan Lott said:

Especially for HJ - but he probably already knows about it.

http://www.globalrailnews.com/2014/06/02/new-high-speed-trains-to-operate-on-gotthard-route-from-december/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Railco+(rail.co)

The Swiss HSR is a bit different from what one considers HSR in general. Due to topography the old rail lines had a lot of curves. The new tilt trains are replacement for the Pendolinos which the Swiss shared with the Italians. All units had a lot of problems, the Swiss will scrap theirs (4 sets) and the Italians intend on keeping theirs running on the some line: Zürich to Milano. Just as soon as they finish the major overhaul.

Major problems? Notoriously late due to breakdowns, non-functioning toilets and some people thought they would buy Gravol for the return trip.

#114

Steve Featherkile said:

Stacy Krausmann said:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

Hans, unless you have something to contribute to this thread, please stay on topic or don’t post.

I won’t ask twice.

Stacy,put a sock in it. How did you get through boot camp, much less four years active duty with the Marines with that thin skin? What are you planning to do, punch HJ out? Ha!

I asked you nicely, and privately, to stop this nonsense, now I’m telling you, as Marine to Marine, knock it off! It is unbecoming and brings discredit on my Marine Corps! STFU!

I never stated I had 4 years active duty in the Marine Corps. Making stuff up about a fellow poster is a new low for you Steve.

Further, Hans made some rather asinine remarks, (once again), and I reminded him to stay on topic. If that happens to interfere with your interpretations of what happened, then I suggest you cop a chill and rethink what you are saying.

Also, telling a fellow poster to " STFU " is rude and unnecessary.

I might add that the Marine Corps is not “yours”. It belongs to the people of the United States. I won’t question your record as you did mine. I will not lower myself to that level.

BACK ON TOPIC.

#115

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Stacy Krausmann said:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster.

Hans, unless you have something to contribute to this thread, please stay on topic or don’t post.

I won’t ask twice.

That’s OK, Stacy. I freely offer my opinion on a variety of subjects, including getting you up to speed since you seem to have plenty of misconceptions along with faulty facts on all manner of stuff.

Now other than that, the beauty of LSC is the free flow of opinions. You may agree or ignore, your choice, but don’t try to play the heavy, it’s neither impressive nor warranted.

I once read that, intelligence is something that escapes the arrogant man. In your case, Hans, arrogance is in great abundance.

You did not offer an opinion about HSR. You made odious remarks about myself. That does not qualify as an opinion, but rather a personal attack. Now if you cannot see that, then I suggest you keep your comments about me to yourself.

I’m not here to impress you or anyone else. As for my return comments to you…yes, they were warranted and necessary.

"Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Sheesh Steve, here I thought we were contributing to Stacy’s pool of knowledge in all things trains and general transportation. In other words get him up to speed - no, no, by no means high speed, that would be too taxing. Besides high speed and toy trains is a recipe for disaster. "

^^^^^This had nothing at all to do with my topic Hans^^^^^

#116

HSR can work and it does so here on the East Coast. For those that live in the rural areas of the country, obviously one must have other means of transportation. Such as a POV. However, no one, least of all me, is suggesting we all turn over our vehicles and hop on the 4:15. All I am saying is that we need a better way of traveling to and fro.

Yes, cars and airplanes do well in most instances. However, trains can move allot of people in greater comfort and with less of a headache as far as traffic, gas mileage and risk taking. Ever been on the 5 into LA? Trains, HSR, can eliminate that nightmare.

The truth is: People are selfish about their cars and cannot get past why they are not the best source of transport in many areas across this country. HSR, placed in keys areas across this country would help people move better and more freely.

#117

Stacy,

Let me put it succinctly: if you would stick to subjects that would correspond to your knowledge you would have a lot fewer posts.

So far you entertained us with a lack of basic knowledge of electrics, a spotty understanding of transportation in general and how certain trends developed in particular. Add to that a bit of a jumble as far as geography is concerned and how that geography shaped certain transportation systems.

Nah, I won’t even start on the model trains topics. Suffice to say they match or surpass the above mentioned.

#118

Stacy;

Stop what you are doing…take a good look at what has transpired on this thread…

Take a break…you are digging a hole, that Bobby is about to push you into, and cap it with concrete.

Start again, with a clear mind, and realize that there are a great number of people on this forum, that have more knowledge about HSR, than you do, and me too for that matter.

The forum is a place to share information, thoughts and questions. It is not a place to create insults, discontent, and hatred…in other words, young fellow…I know that you mean well, but you have lost all respect due to your attitude…COOL IT.

Settle down and start to allow yourself to listen, after asking a question. and start to learn.

I have often made the mistakes you are making. And now I am passing suggestions on to you.

Speak softly. Listen more than you speak. Ask intelligent questions, and do a whole lot of research. We all can learn more from others, than we can try to force into their minds.

Now…let’s all get together and smile…start again to discuss whatever the topic was, and accept the fact that we all have a lot to learn…and this is Bob’s living room, and his wife has a shotgun loaded with rock salt…need I say more…

Fr.Fred

#119

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Stacy,

Let me put it succinctly: if you would stick to subjects that would correspond to your knowledge you would have a lot fewer posts.

So far you entertained us with a lack of basic knowledge of electrics, a spotty understanding of transportation in general and how certain trends developed in particular. Add to that a bit of a jumble as far as geography is concerned and how that geography shaped certain transportation systems.

Nah, I won’t even start on the model trains topics. Suffice to say they match or surpass the above mentioned.

Hans, you’re incapable of intelligent thought. Let alone staying within the topic lines. Now I am not asking you, I am TELLING you to stay out of my thread.

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#120

Fred Mills, BSc, BS, SD said:

Stacy;

Stop what you are doing…take a good look at what has transpired on this thread…

Take a break…you are digging a hole, that Bobby is about to push you into, and cap it with concrete.

Start again, with a clear mind, and realize that there are a great number of people on this forum, that have more knowledge about HSR, than you do, and me too for that matter.

The forum is a place to share information, thoughts and questions. It is not a place to create insults, discontent, and hatred…in other words, young fellow…I know that you mean well, but you have lost all respect due to your attitude…COOL IT.

Settle down and start to allow yourself to listen, after asking a question. and start to learn.

I have often made the mistakes you are making. And now I am passing suggestions on to you.

Speak softly. Listen more than you speak. Ask intelligent questions, and do a whole lot of research. We all can learn more from others, than we can try to force into their minds.

Now…let’s all get together and smile…start again to discuss whatever the topic was, and accept the fact that we all have a lot to learn…and this is Bob’s living room, and his wife has a shotgun loaded with rock salt…need I say more…

Fr.Fred

Fred, I have a much better idea. Why not post a response that relates directly to my topic. Or, is that too difficult a task for you.

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