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#21

What is wrong with you people ?
The model railway industry as a whole will suffer if any company fails . If support is shown , then it is possible that the LGB overseers in all respects will be more inclined to give it a chance .
This runs counter to what certain vested interests short sightedly want , so they immediately hijack the thread , and ridicule anyone who dares show support for the company .
Hans has been known in LGB circles for some time as a detractor of LGB . In answer to this he will produce his well worn picture of a pile of LGB boxes to show he is “interested”, notwithstanding that the pile of boxes is in his shop --thus not at home where most of us keep things of interest .
All he has shown so far for LGB is how to destroy a LGB carriage , and risk your neck doing it . Some engineer .
The lack of support for LGB on this site is shameful , LGB started the large scale stuff as toys , and continued to do so . It gives many people a lot of pleasure . Why knock it ?
I do not like some of the products shown on this site , but I keep my trap shut . Why should I spoil others’ fun ? I would get no enjoyment from that , unlike some of the LGB knockers .
Does it really upset you so much that the stuff is not American ? So much that you cannot offer words of support on this site ?>
Are you really willing to be led by someone , who , on his own admission , dislikes LGB ?
Saying nothing is not an option .
Snidely suggesting that I am suffering from reaction to medical treatment is so gross as to be beneath comtempt . Especially coming from a person who delights in bragging that he wangled his way out of military service on medical grounds , then fled the country before it backfired on him . Malingerers do not a good example set .
No , those of you who would be misled by such a creature should take a long hard look at what happens when you join the lynch mob .

Support the model rail industry ; just because LGB is not your cup of tea , don’t let the spoilers win .

OK , now we get the reminder of 30 March that Hans blackmails me with , and some additional support for him from someone who should know better .

Personally , I gave up bothering about what people think of me when I realised most of the world is in it for what they can get .
So break the mould and give LGB and thus our hobby some support .

, Mike

#22

Mike

Bravo…Well said.

#23
Mike Morgan said:
What is wrong with you people ? The model railway industry as a whole will suffer if any company fails . If support is shown , then it is possible that the LGB overseers in all respects will be more inclined to give it a chance . This runs counter to what certain vested interests short sightedly want , so they immediately hijack the thread , and ridicule anyone who dares show support for the company . Hans has been known in LGB circles for some time as a detractor of LGB . In answer to this he will produce his well worn picture of a pile of LGB boxes to show he is "interested", notwithstanding that the pile of boxes is in his shop --thus not at home where most of us keep things of interest . All he has shown so far for LGB is how to destroy a LGB carriage , and risk your neck doing it . Some engineer . The lack of support for LGB on this site is shameful , LGB started the large scale stuff as toys , and continued to do so . It gives many people a lot of pleasure . Why knock it ? I do not like some of the products shown on this site , but I keep my trap shut . Why should I spoil others' fun ? I would get no enjoyment from that , unlike some of the LGB knockers . Does it really upset you so much that the stuff is not American ? So much that you cannot offer words of support on this site ?> Are you really willing to be led by someone , who , on his own admission , dislikes LGB ? Saying nothing is not an option . Snidely suggesting that I am suffering from reaction to medical treatment is so gross as to be beneath comtempt . Especially coming from a person who delights in bragging that he wangled his way out of military service on medical grounds , then fled the country before it backfired on him . Malingerers do not a good example set . No , those of you who would be misled by such a creature should take a long hard look at what happens when you join the lynch mob .

Support the model rail industry ; just because LGB is not your cup of tea , don’t let the spoilers win .

OK , now we get the reminder of 30 March that Hans blackmails me with , and some additional support for him from someone who should know better .

Personally , I gave up bothering about what people think of me when I realised most of the world is in it for what they can get .
So break the mould and give LGB and thus our hobby some support .

, Mike


Mike,

Don’t you think that you should at least get the date straight? It isn’t March 30th, it is March 20th 2005. There was and is no blackmail, just the occasional reminder. :wink: :slight_smile:

Back to work for me. :slight_smile:

#24
Curmudgeon said:
Not exactly sure why. Another "Made in PRC" product? [i][/i]
Couldn't agree more.
Mike Morgan said:
[i][/i] LGB knockers [i][/i]
Now that's something I didn't know than LGB produced. I might be interested :) 'Lotsa Great Big' perhaps?

JR

#25
TonyWalsham said:
A few questions

Does Jack Barton work for LGBofA?

Have any association with LGBofA? Financial or otherwise?

Have any vested interest in pushing the LGBofA line?


Fair question Tony. I have never been on the payroll of LGBoA, although I do have many friends there. I authored The LGB Kollector column for LGB Telegram for (I think) 11 years and continued writting the same column for two years with the new two language Depesche. I did receive a stipend for the words and photos. I can assure I didn’t do it for the money. However, I did get to meet a lot of people at Lehmann, all the way down to the shop floor. My fondness for LGB and the people that make it is genuine.

What I don’t do is sell any of my LGB. I don’t want to appear to be profiting from my Kollector advice. I also do not make and/or sell any products associated with the large scale hobby. I have always tried to give back to the hobby that I have enjoyed so much!

Jack

#26

Jon,

You said - “Now that’s something I didn’t know than LGB produced. I might be interested ‘Lotsa Great Big’ perhaps?”

I’m pretty certain a search on “LGB” will give you lots more info than you ever wanted. :wink:

#27

Jon Radder said:
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Mike Morgan said:
[i]

Now that’s something I didn’t know than LGB produced. I might be interested :slight_smile: ‘Lotsa Great Big’ perhaps? JR

Jon, Really good one! :lol: :lol: Along the same line, there’s only a “w” that separates “tits” from “twits”. :wink: :slight_smile:

#28
Mike Morgan said:
What is wrong with you people ? The model railway industry as a whole will suffer if any company fails . If support is shown , then it is possible that the LGB overseers in all respects will be more inclined to give it a chance . This runs counter to what certain vested interests short sightedly want , so they immediately hijack the thread , and ridicule anyone who dares show support for the company . (big, necessary snip)

, Mike


The model railway industry will suffer.
Really?
What makes Gauge One special?
Has 3-rail “0” suffered because Dorfan, Ives, American Flyer (yes, 3-rail “0”), Marx, and all the johnny-come-lately’s went away?
Oh, maybe “Half Zero”, because Megow, John English, Penn Line, Varney, Mantua, and all the others failed?

In point of fact, Mantua is a GOOD example.
When John Tyler started Mantua Metal Products, quality, workmanship, reliability. Those are still visible today in products of the 40’s and early 50’s.
Cost of product and what folks were willing to spend (can you say “make it in China”?) forced a sale and move to the Far East, where the quality went down the crapper.

I am afraid we are seeing a modern day parallel to that.
If the stuff was still made skilled craftsmen, with high quality standards, we might have a case.
But to ship production to the Far Eat and expect folks to still come banging on your door because they “think” the product is the same quality is pure rubbish.

Like Mantua became TYCO (pages can be written there), the Far East connection made TYCO literally a swear word in the model railroading community.

The hobby is none worse off with the Far East TYCO gone, just as it’s no better or worse off with all the changes in the world since the dawn of time.

Other manufacturers have decided SOME scale fidelity is better than the utterly stoopid “suitable for large scale” response, and with that adherence, are taking on more and more of the available market.

Would it hurt the hobby if it went?
Nah.
It might shut up some of the folks who continuously chide us with their pro-company lines, but, hey, who knows.

I am so glad your crystal ball is functioning again, so you KNOW we’d be better off…

#29

Well , no surprise there then , hans cannot resist hijacking . And blackmail is blackmail , no matter what you dress it up as .

The others who lead him on are just as guilty , now stop being silly and give Jack some support .

LGB ,whether you like it or not , goes to the wall as our loss . Snide jokes about it will not help . If you wish to make jokes at the expense of someone’s posts , then expect to get the same --but just remember where it started .

LGB has done some very creditable models , and will no doubt do the same , given half the chance . Though I have never had to use it , their service backup is second to none .

They started by making railway stuff for kids and adults , if it is such crap as some of you make out , how come it sold so well ?

Those big red boxes that are such a source of fun , gathering dust on shop shelves —use your brain and get them off to a place that knows how to sell . Don’t leave it on the top shelf where customers can’t get at it . And , above all , if the big box is costing room , reduce the price . People like me with a genuine fondness for the stuff would be happy to hear of any being offered —here in the UK anyway ,though I have got bargains from the big US stores .

Come on , show your support for our hobby , get the knockers out .

Mike

#30

Curmudgeon said:
The model railway industry will suffer. Really? SNIP … Other manufacturers have decided SOME scale fidelity is better than the utterly stoopid “suitable for large scale” response, and with that adherence, are taking on more and more of the available market. Would it hurt the hobby if it went? Nah. It might shut up some of the folks who continuously chide us with their pro-company lines, but, hey, who knows. I am so glad your crystal ball is functioning again, so you KNOW we’d be better off…

The model railway industry as a whole? Hardly! That’s why I have the Alfred Neumann attitude, even when the “experts” tell me that I should be worried because we produce model railway accessories. That advice is in the same bin as the “never finishes anything” comments. :wink: :slight_smile: LS? Yes, for some time, until other mfgs start to fill the niche. As for shutting up the RBB, very little chance. That record will run until completely worn out. Crystal balls? They have been polished, but are still too murky. Goes with the territory! Just how desperate is the situation? Have a look at this! OK, OK that is quite enough! :wink: :wink:

#31

Mike, I too find it puzzling that some folks seem to take a great deal of glee in LGB’s predicament. Reporting (and translating) news of the situation is one thing, and indeed is appreciated. I just don’t understand the sniggering attitudes apparent in some of the posts.

#32
Ray Dunakin said:
Mike, I too find it puzzling that some folks seem to take a great deal of glee in LGB's predicament. Reporting (and translating) news of the situation is one thing, and indeed is appreciated. I just don't understand the sniggering attitudes apparent in some of the posts.
Ray, you hit it on the head. There is absolutely nothing wrong with reporting news. But I *REALLY* dont like all the 'tee-hee'ing that goes along with it. It shows a childish delight in someone's misery, which I would hope adults dont harbor, but apparently they do.
#33

Dave (toc)
your parochialism is admirable in some respects , but shows you up as the “little american” in its attitude .
Your mention of only American companies shows a total disregard for the world wide application of the hobby .
That is where you sadly go wrong . You personally don’t give a toss if LGB does not appear in the USA .
“My” LGB shop imports American 1/29 on the back of selling LGB . They go side by side , in the shop if not on the track .
Your selfish and short sighted view of “stuff LGB” misses the biggie , I know of other shops here who will cease trading large scale —all of it — if LGB isn’t there . So be careful of your grandiose predictions , stop trying to live up(down) to your name . You asked for it—don’t insult me and expect me to say nowt .

Mike

#34

All I know is, where can I buy any modern day tank cars and 3 bay cylintrical hoppers if LBG leaves
the market nobody I know makes them,but LGB.

Ed

#35

Bob-
I must have missed something here.
Where is the “tee-hee”-ing?
Personal opinions, generally voiced to counter-act the “save the Titanic!” posts.

Personally, I don’t care one way or the other, but to say lgb needs to survive for “the hobby” is ludicrous at best.

If the product has not met with the expectations of the consumer, or met their “needs”, if the company has walked itself into a financial morass, it would be like Heny Ford II asking for the consumer to step up and buy Edsels.

As far as comments about mentioning only US manufacturers, well, in an automotive discussion I wouldn’t mention Vauxhalls, either.
And, just because you “save” something doesn’t mean it is going to last.
Maerklin just announced 200 job cuts, didn’t I read?

Maerklin’s plan (if they are successful) is 15 employees and all the stuff made in PRC anyway, right?

I’d like to see these "tee-hee"s.

TOC

#36

Dave ,
you say that saving LGB is saving the hobby is ludicrous at best . Who are you to make such a statement ? What God given gift have you to see into the future ? You happen to trade in train models . You can supposedly tell good from bad . But , be honest , doesn’t a touch of " well , I have LGB but wouldn’t buy the crap " creep into your "sales " pitch ?

There are , I repeat , thousands of people world wide—you know there’s a world out there , I assume —who buy and enjoy LGB .

If you do not like the stuff , I would suggest that common decency would stop you from trying to put people off buying it .

Or shall we start a silly war on what the sales of other 45mm stuff is like in other countries , and the lack of backup for it ?

There are no winners in this , best stop it before real damage is done . You don’t really wish to be allied with the creep who hates LGB do you ?

Your dignity and reliability as an adviser are at risk . Do not spoil your deserved reputation .

Promote the hobby , it will benefit everyone .

Mike

#37
Mike Morgan said:
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There are no winners in this , best stop it before real damage is done . You don’t really wish to be allied with the creep who hates LGB do you ?

Your dignity and reliability as an adviser are at risk . Do not spoil your deserved reputation .

Promote the hobby , it will benefit everyone .

Mike


Mike,

Assuming for a moment that I’m supposed to be the “creep” who hates LGB - what a waste of my time that would be - what exactly are the indications of someone “hating” LGB?

#38

hans , do not be an idiot . All you are doing is hijacking again .

Support LGB , support the hobby .

Mike

#39
Mike Morgan said:
hans , do not be an idiot . All you are doing is hijacking again .

Support LGB , support the hobby .

Mike


Mike,

I fully support Schöntag, too bad his backers backed out!

From what people who know him tell me he had good intentions and got let down by “friends”. I’m sure glad I don’t have “friends” like that!

As for supporting the hobby, that’s strictly my business in more than one sense! All the way from 1:220 to 1:22.5!

#40

Mike…
The exact un-edited quote is:

“Personally, I don’t care one way or the other, but to say lgb needs to survive for “the hobby” is ludicrous at best.”

To make idiotic statements about them NEEDING to survive for the hobby is, in fact, ludicrous at best.

Maybe new glasses along with the meds?