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Greetings!

Hello Everyone,

I’ve joined this site after a suggestion from Barry Olsen who just sent me a new gear box for my Bachmann Consolidation. I’ve been a member of MLS for a few years now and have thoroughly learning from the many that are much more experienced than I.

After quickly reading the instructions Barry sent, I sent an email letting him know of my worry about not being very mechanical. Barry’s reply suggested coming to this site to inquire from some of you about this project. He specifically mentioned Kevin Strong and Tony Walsham, both of whom I’ve enjoyed Garden Railways articles and being the owner of some RCS equipment.

I would appreciate any direction you can give where I might find detailed instruction on the installation of this gear into my Consolidation. Although I’m not from Rio Linda, pictures are also much appreciated (sorry for the humor :))

Thanks a bunch!!
Richard

Hmm…I wrote it up for Barry long ago, I thought.
You have the loco apart yet?
This will get you apart, ignore the motor screw part, as that’s going away.
I’m looking for the instructions now, if I cannot find them, I’ll walk you through it.
Here:

January 09, 2002 at 12:15:10:

While doing some conversion work on one of the new Bachmann 1:20 scale
2-8-0’s, I found the motor to be loose on the gearbox.
This is a new design gearbox mount from Bachmann, and bugs may have
inadvertently crept in to the assembly process.
The following is the procedure I used to adjust this and subsequent units.
First is the boiler removal, which is about the easiest Bachmann Large-Scale

to disassemble to date.

Disassembly procedure:

  1. Roll engine over on fireman’s side, locate forward end of reverse actuating rod under running board where it attaches to the valve gear.
    Remove slot-head screw. NOT MAGNETIC! Don’t lose it!
  2. Roll engine onto its wheels. Remove all 4 screws and both smokebox supports (if you try to flex them out of the way, it will scratch the paint).
  3. Roll engine over on it’s back.
  4. Remove ashpan (4 small screws).
  5. Remove 4 screws about in the corners of inside of firebox under ashpan.
  6. Remove one screw between cylinders under front truck.
  7. Separate boiler from chassis. Pull motor wires down from boiler to reveal in-line plug. You may unplug for complete separation of boiler from chassis.

Check motor for tightness to gearbox as outlined below:

Pull the lower gear cover, 4 screws, and front support bracket on top of frame to gearbox, 2 screws, lift the motor/gearbox off, removed 4 screws on one side and 2 on the other of the gearbox, separate the gearbox halves. The motor screws are located inside the gearbox. I removed the screws, locktited (222) and lubed before re-assembly.

When re-assembling, make sure the sander pipes from the sandbox on top of boiler fit into holes provided in frame just forward of valve gear support bracket. They may spring backwards and rub on lead driver.

TOC

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Howdy Do

:slight_smile:

Here it is:

Unplug the motor from the wiring harness……in-line plug.

Remove front frame bracket (2 screws) holding gearbox to frame.

Invert chassis.

Remove 4 screws securing gearbox cover to bottom of gearbox, remove cover.

Remove gearbox/motor assembly from chassis.

Remove crankpin bolts from siderod/counterweights.

Rotate drivers as necessary to access bolts.

Remove siderods, noting how they mounted and which direction the lube cups on the siderods faced.

Block chassis, with wheels up.

Remove bottom journal retaining plates, down both sides of frame (8 machine screws per side).

Lift off retaining plates.

Lift out complete brake rigging and shoes, noting how they were mounted.

Lift out ONLY #3 (geared) driver, being careful to retain the springs in the journal recess and the plunger for pickups.

Sometimes grease will cause these to adhere to the parts as you lift them

At this point, do NOT turn the chassis over until the driver and plates are completely re-installed.

Remove counterweights on #3 driver with small Phillips screwdriver, through the retainer ring in the center of the counterweights.

Remove counterweights from axle and set aside.

Slide journals off axle, noting orientation of journals and any washers.

Slide drivers off axle.

Remove oillite bearings from axle.

If your gear is cracked, it will at this point slide off the axle by hand.

If not, I use a deep ¼” drive socket that just fits over the axle.

Place in a vise, compress the axle into the socket, and the gear will come off the axle.

At this point we have found there are at least two different axle diameters in use on Bachmann 2-8-0’s.

The gearbox was designed for the smaller axle, and you can tell by trying to fit the new gear onto either end of the axle.

If it will not go on at all, axle diameter reduction needs to be performed. There were some 2-8-0’s with slightly larger diameter axles…no idea why.

With a small flat file, remove all serrations on the axle that originally held the factory gear in place.

Hold new axle gear next to axle, note location of setscrew, and file a flat in the axle to retain the setscrew at the location determined.

Press gear onto axle to the location specified, using the deep socket if necessary that was used to press old gear off.

Locktite setscrew and install tightly, insuring the “sweet spot” is located.

Install new bearings on axle, with retaining lip in specified direction.

Install drivers onto axle.

Install journals onto axle.

Install counterweights into axles after applying a drop of 222 Locktite to tip of screw.

Compare orientation of quartering on #3 axle to that of other axles in chassis.

Install #3 axle set into chassis.

Re-install brake rigging.

Re-install journal retainers and screws.

Test-fit gearbox to chassis.

Insure gearbox is centered properly on gear and not impacting driver stubs.

You will note there is a pad for gearbox alignment in the chassis at the rear of the original and new gearbox.

Note location of said pad in relationship to new gearbox while test-fit.

We have found, so far, that a shim of # seems to be ideal, but you won’t know until the boiler is re-installed, as the forward gearbox alignment pad is the forward boiler weight.

Glue this pad to the back of the gearbox (chassis portion is curved, and difficult to get good adhesion) with something removable, like clear Silicone, Goo, or another type of contact cement.

Mount gearbox to axle.

Re-assemble siderods to drivers.

Now, we need to trim the firebox to fit the new motor.

First, remove the boiler backhead (two little bitty Phillips head screws at 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock).

Temporarily remove the firebox flicker board.

Next, remove the two screws holding the weight to the floor that were hidden by the flicker board.

Re-install the flicker board.

Remove the 4 screws holding the floor to the cab (4 corners of the floor).

Release the catches at the front of the cab wall, sticking through the floor, and separate the floor from the cab enough to remove the weight completely.

Re-assemble the floor to cab.

Using the template and measurements provided, cut the bottom of the firebox out as shown.

This is a MINIMUM cutout, and your particular installation may require minor adjustments to the edges of the cutout area.

Test fit the chassis to the boiler.

Check the movement of the motor/gearbox fore and aft with chassis fully down on boiler.

This can be done by reaching into the open backhead area and moving the end of the motor up and down, while observing the movement in the chassis.

If the shims are too thick, the motor will not “rattle”, and will not float up and down freely.

If too thin, the motor will rattle excessively.

Adjust shims to suit.

When you are certain the chassis will fully drop down onto the boiler, remove chassis, set on the wheels.

Cut the plug and wires off the old motor at the noise suppressor board.

Strip back the ends, and solder the wires to the new motor.

Plug motor into the boiler plug.

Block chassis off the workbench enough so the drivers can rotate.

Plug tender into at least the 4-wire harness from locomotive.

Lay tender on its side, apply power to the tender wheels, left and right sides.

Observe direction of drivers and headlamp/backup light.

If drivers turn in direction of lights, it is wired correctly.

If drivers rotate reverse of lights, reverse wires at motor.

Chassis will be somewhat noisy, as with no weight on drivers, flanges rub on brake rigging.

If operation is satisfactory other than the noise of the flanges, re-assemble chassis to boiler.

Once complete, fabricate new weights for firebox area.

This can be done with old lead weights from other locomotives, stacked stick-on tire weights, or any other weight of your choice.

Ideally, the locomotive should balance between #2 and #3 drivers.

We have found this unit as delivered is VERY light in the nose, and we stack several layers of stick-on tire weights in the bottom of the smokebox to help.

Silicone or double-back tape weights down both sides of the motor through the backhead, keeping weights clear of motor.

Re-install backhead.

Track test.

Note: Barry cuts the cast weight in the firebox with a bandsaw. I do not have a bandsaw, nor do most hobbysist, and I like to be able to adjust, hence the use of stick-on tyre weights.
TOC

Richard, it looks like you’ve come to the right place.

Welcome.

You don’t have to be crazy to be here, but it sure helps a lot.

:slight_smile:

That was quick!! Thanks TOC…I’ll copy and paste your instructions for a thorough read!

Vic and Steve; thanks for the welcome! I really appreciate all the helpful suggestions from those who love this hobby. I look forward to many more visits gleaning what I can from the pros. And perhaps I might offer some thoughts too.

Richard

Welcome aboard.

Welcome aboard

Welcome, you are going to like it here!

Hi Rich,

Welcome to LSC

Chuck

Welcome aboard Richard

All aboard Richard!

Welcome.

Be careful, don’t step on the track!

Lou Luczu said:

Welcome.

Be careful, don’t step on the track!

Especially if it’s Brody’s Aluminium track…oh, my…the horror…the humanity…

TOC

Welcome Richard,

Another tip - probably get heck for this :slight_smile: :stuck_out_tongue: - have a cup of salt ready, for the many times you need a grain of the stuff.

welcome!

how rare… nobody mentioned the main condition for you to be really welcome…

guys are gettin’ old.

so, here comes: it is nearly mandatory, that you post pics from your layout!

and coming, from where you wrote you come from, the good news is - posting pics here is really easy!
if you got your pic somewhere/anywhere in the net, just write or copy the addres into the text.
the software does the rest!

here is a site with some pics. that may help with what TOC says http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/gear.html
Tony Walsham did a nice wright up with pics but can not find it now.

more tips http://www.largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/17049

Great to have you join us. Love to see photos of what you are up to.

Stan

Richard,

Welcome!

I transferred a BBT drive from one ten wheeler to another using Dave’s instructions.

You can do it and there are a lot of people here, that will guide you through any tough parts.

Start with laying it over on a bath towel. Then its righty tighty lefty loosey.