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Give me solid evidence they are safe by showing me

I’m from Missouri, “The Show Me State”, Give me solid evidence they are safe by showing me ten thousand people who have been eating GM foods for seven decades.

Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press said:
"Many of these opponents acknowledge that there isn't much solid evidence showing genetically modified foods are somehow dangerous or unhealthy."
[i]You can't show me those people can you: they do not exist.[/i]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_re_us/us_food_and_farm_biotech_crops/print

Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press said:
[b][size=18]Shoppers wary of GM foods find they're everywhere[/size][/b] By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press Fri Feb 25, 11:25 am ET

WASHINGTON – You may not want to eat genetically engineered foods. Chances are, you are eating them anyway.

Genetically modified plants grown from seeds engineered in labs now provide much of the food we eat. Most corn, soybean and cotton crops grown in the United States have been genetically modified to resist pesticides or insects, and corn and soy are common food ingredients.

The Agriculture Department has approved three more genetically engineered crops in the past month, and the Food and Drug Administration could approve fast-growing genetically modified salmon for human consumption this year.

Agribusiness and the seed companies say their products help boost crop production, lower prices at the grocery store and feed the world, particularly in developing countries. The FDA and USDA say the engineered foods they’ve approved are safe — so safe, they don’t even need to be labeled as such — and can’t be significantly distinguished from conventional varieties.

Organic food companies, chefs and consumer groups have stepped up their efforts — so far, unsuccessfully — to get the government to exercise more oversight of engineered foods, arguing the seeds are floating from field to field and contaminating pure crops. The groups have been bolstered by a growing network of consumers who are wary of processed and modified foods.

Many of these opponents acknowledge that there isn’t much solid evidence showing genetically modified foods are somehow dangerous or unhealthy. It just doesn’t seem right, they say. It’s an ethical issue.

“If you mess with nature there’s a side effect somewhere,” says George Siemon, CEO of Organic Valley, the nation’s largest organic farming cooperative, which had more than $600 million in sales last year. “There is a growing awareness that our system makes us all guinea pigs of sorts.”

The U.S. government has insisted there’s not enough difference between the genetically modified seeds its agencies have approved and natural seeds to cause concern. But Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, more so than his predecessors in previous administrations, has acknowledged the debate over the issue and a growing chorus of consumers concerned about what they are eating.

“The rapid adoption of GE crops has clashed with the rapid expansion of demand for organic and other non-GE products,” Vilsack said in December as he considered whether to approve genetically modified alfalfa. “This clash led to litigation and uncertainty . . . Surely, there is a better way, a solution that acknowledges agriculture’s complexity, while celebrating and promoting its diversity.”

Vilsack later approved the engineered alfalfa for use — along with sugar beets and a type of corn used in ethanol — to the disappointment of the organic industry, but he said the department would do additional research on ways to prevent contamination of natural seeds and improve detection of contamination.

Organic companies have praised Vilsack for even acknowledging the issue, as large seed companies like Monsanto and the substantial chunk of agribusiness that use their seeds have long held sway at USDA.

The organic industry has a lot to lose. USDA regulations do not allow genetically modified seeds to be used in organic production, and organic farmers say that as engineered crops become more common, it will be harder to prevent contamination. The industry also is concerned fears of contamination could hurt its sales, especially in Europe, where consumers have been extremely hesitant about biotech foods.

While opponents of engineered foods haven’t found federal agencies overly receptive to their concerns, they’ve been able to delay some USDA approvals with lawsuits. The alfalfa decision followed a lengthy court battle that was closely watched not only by the organic industry, but by consumers — a development that opponents believe will help their cause.

“We’re seeing a level of reaction that is unprecedented,” says Jeffrey Smith, an activist who has fought the expansion of genetically engineered foods since they were first introduced 15 years ago and written two books on the subject. “I personally think we are going to hit the tipping point of consumer rejection very soon.”

Many consumers also have followed the Food and Drug Administration’s consideration of an engineered salmon that grows twice as fast as the conventional variety. If the FDA approves the fish for sale, it will be the first time the government has allowed genetically modified animals to be marketed for humans to eat.

Consumer interest in the issue has magnified in the past five years, along with interest in eating locally grown and organic foods, said Organic Valley’s Siemon. Young, educated consumers who are driving much of the organic market have no interest in eating crops derived from a laboratory, he said. With as much as 80 percent of the foods in grocery stores containing some sort of engineered ingredient, according to the food industry, some companies have started labeling foods as non-modified to grab onto that share of the market.

Genetically modified crops were introduced to the market in 1996. That year, engineered corn accounted for less than 5 percent of the total crop. Last year, the USDA estimated that 70 percent of the nation’s corn acreage was planted with corn engineered to resist herbicides and 63 percent had been planted with insect-resistant seeds. Rates for soybeans and cotton are even higher.

The federal government approves genetically modified plants and animals on a case by case basis, with the FDA and USDA looking at the potential effects on food safety, agriculture and the environment. Critics say the process needs to be more thorough and more research should be done with an eye on potential dangers. Agencies often rely on companies’ own data to make their decisions.

The genetic engineering industry says its products already receive far more scrutiny than most of the food people put in their mouths. It also says 15 years of consumption with no widely recognized health problems shows much of the concern is overhyped.

David B. Schmidt, who heads the International Food Information Council Foundation, a food-industry funded group that has polled consumers on genetically modified foods, said their responses depend on how the issue is framed. When pollsters tell consumers that some foods can be engineered to have health benefits — such as biotech soybeans designed to reduce trans fats in soybean oil — they become more open to them. Most consumers are more open to modifications in fruits and vegetables than in animals, he added.

Still, many people don’t know what to think. About half of the consumers the foundation has polled recently have either been neutral on the subject or didn’t know enough to have an opinion.

Dan Barber, a well-known New York chef who grows his own food and sits on President Barack Obama’s Council on Physical Fitness, Sports and Nutrition, said the growing popularity of organic foods has given an “economic legitimacy” to the criticism.

He believes messing with nature will always have collateral damage. And, the more genetically modified crops are used, he said, the more pure crops will become compromised.

“Once you head down that road you don’t turn back,” Barber said.


Online:

USDA Agricultural Biotechnology: http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/Biotechnology/chapter1.htm

Big Business said DDT was safe too.

I think ALL foods should be so marked if they have any GM component whatsoever. Let the consumer decide for themselves whether or not they want GM foods.
Here manufacturers are not obliged to do so.
Those manufacturers who claim to be GM free are taking advantage of the consumers innate caution with new “stuff”.
I read the labels of what I eat. Many contain some amazing “stuff” so I avoid them if I can.

DDT was. The eggshell thing was unrelated

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Pass the popcorn. This could be entertaining. :lol:

We are ALL eating genetically-modified crops. All cereal crops were originally simple grasses - we’ve been modifying them for the last ten thousand years.

tac

Life is a fatal disease… enjoy it…you’ll be dead soon enough.

tac Foley said:
We are ALL eating genetically-modified crops. All cereal crops were originally simple grasses - we've been modifying them for the last ten thousand years.
But not by splicing in genes from an entirely different life form till just now.

Apples are bad, no wait they are good, but coffee is bad, errrrr maybe it’s okay, wine is no good for you,except… chocolate is baaaad, but not anymore, eggs? red meat? tuna fish? lettuce?

Grandpa lived to be 93, had he not smoked a pipe, had a drink of brandy every night, eaten red meat and ice cream he may have lived to 94. I dunno?

larry mosher said:
Life is a fatal disease... enjoy it....you'll be dead soon enough.
That was my dad's outlook on life. He enjoyed it to the fullest and lived into his late 80's - happy and healthy for all but the last 6 months.

All those health nuts are going to feel really silly dying of nothing. :smiley:

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There are a number of research stations in the Mississippi delta that help in the research of genetically-modified foods. Tac is correct, a huge part of what we eat is modified in some way. Unless it is purchased at a farmers market. It may be modified to last longer, grow bigger, be bug resistent or as in cotton, be different colors.
Ron

Tom Ruby said:
DDT was. The eggshell thing was unrelated

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Tom, You need to read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT There is no mention of egg shells in the article that I could see.

I try to consume only natural things like barley,hops,wheat,water and tobacco.
Anybody got any hemp? (I need to make some rope)
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Check with Shawn…:slight_smile:

Bob McCown said:

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enought said. thank you Bob.

not so fast…, you’ll die, that is promised, but Forrest is dead-on.

All it takes is a little “what if” time spent thinking outside the box/bubble and less than a few hours researching food and what has happened to it over the last 50 years to determine that something is not right. Obesity, Autism, Cancer, Alzheimer’s etc… have all exponentially exploded over the last 1/2 Century. I believe the food we intake is one of the, if not the main factor in that happening

Farmers have lost the farms to big business and those that fight to stay on the Land have bowed to the Big AG pressure like Monsanto who not only own the seed patent but claim they own the patent on “life” and reproduction. The farmers now grow what they are told to grow…or Go. Big Ag, like Monsanto produce GMO seed and need to sell that seed, the farmer is left with little choice.

GMO foods contain all sorts of things that they weren’t created to have in them. As mentioned above: to grow bigger, stay ‘fresh’ longer, be more cosmetically appealing, etc…

This is a real-serious problem in the US and throughout the Westernized world. My family and I decided a years or so ago to move away from GMO foods. One of the smarter things we did. A while back I published a thread on weight loss. Soon after we had to move our business, and I was away for 18+ hours a day for weeks. During that time I physically exerted myself to the limit on many occasions while trying to get a remodel complete in a very short amount of time (exercise). Along with pretty severe exertion, I went away from our home diet and ate ‘to go’ almost every meal-for weeks. In the midst of working my tail off, I gained 15+ pounds. I credit that wholly to the ‘fast food’ and Soda I took in. When the job had passed and things got back to normal. The weight almost fell off. And here at home I’m much more sedentary than while tearing out walls and ripping up floor covering. Most all ‘fast food’ is GMO from top to bottom.

So without coming out and calling you out, I’d just like to encourage each of you to look into the whole food dilemma, especially when it comes to GMO or Genetically Modified Foods. From what we’ve gathered here in our family, it’s bad news for our bodies and our future. Yeah, we’re all gonna die, but why speed up the process?

We stumbled over this film a ways through our journey into a new lifestyle:

http://www.foodincmovie.com/

It helped solidify what we were thinking and researching on our own.

This isn’t a right/left…eco/neo-con issue. It’s a life issue. Thanks for reading this far!

Cale

Shop only the outside isles of the super market to avoid the vast majority of process food will help you a lot more than worrying about GMO.

I turned 60 yesterday…Yea for me :wink: and only weigh 20 pounds more than I did in basic training 40 years ago when I think I peaked…I ought to lose 10 pounds but frig it. I did an hour on the elliptical this morning too. Sumtin’ is going to kill me. I was lucky it wasn’t Vietnam and so far all the crazies on the highway…those going slower than me and the lunatics passing me. We kill a lot more people with cars booze, cigs and processed food than we could probably count. GMO…not anywhere near my radar. I’m hoping I’ll get hit by something from space doing mach20 :slight_smile:

Exercise and eat well and you will live an additional 3 years, in a nursing home, waiting for the nurse to change your diaper. ;-D

Life’s journey is not to
arrive at the grave safely
in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
“…holy sh*t …what a ride!”

Humans have been modified food from the time they could. Look at corn/maze. It did not start out looking like it does. over thousands of years of selected breeding it has become what we call and now know as corn. Man kind has always and will always do selective breading to make things work better for are needs. The only thing that has changed is we dont have to wait a 100 years for that perfect apple any more.

I eat fast food all the time. cheeper and easyer then cooking for one. I weigh 10 lbs more today then I did in 1984 when I got out of high school. I dont blame fast food. I’m 45 (soon to be 46) its going to happen that your going to put on some weight. I have cut back on how much I eat. not because of the weight but because I am just not as hungery as when I was in my 20’s and 30’s. My motabilism has changed.

As for all the things like altimes and such…Well how long ago was it that you were only going to live to be in your 40’s? not that long ago. now 70’s 80’s even 90’s is not uncommon.

Its not Monsanto or GMO fault. Its we the people. We want food that looks better, taest better last long and cost less. They are answeering a need and demand. I’m happy for them and for me. If you dont wont it then shop the farmers market or grow your own but dont preach to me how bad you think it is cus I DONT CARE.

Now back to trains please.