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Garden Railroads and Children

Not sure if this has been discussed recently, but if you have children around what is your policy with regards to playing with the railroad.

My son is 8 years old and has his own Thomas engines and assorted rolling stock. He has learned to become pretty responsible with some rules I’ve laid forth with regards to handling walking on the garden during derailments etc.

He has some neighborhood friends that come over and they don’t necessarily have the same level of respect. And as the railroad becomes more developed I’m becoming more protective. I’ve found myself at times with a zero tolerance policy with them and although I don’t lose it I do immediately send them home.

So how do any of you handle this issue? Do you allow the neighbor kids to run the trains? Are you in constant supervision?

Thanks
Richard

Richard,

This is a good topic and I can’t wait to see what other do. I for one from the beginning am looking at controlled access. I have dogs and will always have dogs, but they don’t work well as scale wildlife so will have to remain outside. The first order of business for my layout will be a false store front with a door that locks that enters into my railroad. This will be my fence. Then I will have to have a policy about the railroad being a limited access endeavor.

However, I do want it to be enjoyed by all. The train shed will be a two story affair with the upper half being a bunk house for the train crew (read fort for sleep overs). My kids are older now and will likely respect the railroad but I have nieces and nephews that have youngsters and my own children will be reproducing soon enough. I want them to partake in the fun. I will have one loco that is for them. Sturdy and not to many details to get broken off. I plan to keep the landscaping simple and most importantly repairable. That way they can enjoy it with supervision and if the train gets dropped or something gets stepped on it wont be catastrophic.

Fortunately, these giants in the land won’t be permanent residents as your 8 year old and his friends are. I can supervise for a few hours at a time.

This is all academic and theoretical at this time as all I have now is a barren side yard yearning for a railroad.

I used to have the neighbor kid over quite a bit. Somehow I became his unpaid baby sitter, not really, but for a while it felt like it. Like most kids, he wanted the trains to go Mach 1 or better. Since my railroad has grades and somewhat tight turns that aint going to happen. He also liked to tell me what I should do with MY railroad. Once, when my back was turned, he decided to “help” my pacific climb the summit buy turning up the throttle. It made it to the summit, around the reverse loop, and then went for a romp in the weeds. That is when I went out and bought the TE, so the controls were always clipped to my hip.

I think any plan of action, or suggestion, has to be tailored to the individual child. There is a boy, the son of a club member, who runs trains on the club layout. He is cautions and runs at appropriate speeds. He also like to block the mainline and then wander off. Whereas my neighbor’s kid liked to highball and put stuff on the tracks to cause wrecks.

Great topic.

My railroad is on my front lawn. I’ve had many visitors both young and old. For the most

part, the kids in the neighborhood have been great. Then again they know they’re always

welcome to come over when a train(s) is/are running.

Rule # 1. They can look all they want.

2 No body is allowed inside the layout

3 Parent or guardian is present

4 NO STEPPING/STANDING ON THE TRACKS !!!

5 Most important, no raising of the voice by the railroad owner (me) The idea is to

promote interest in our hobby, if not for the present, then for the future.

I always try to get the parents involved in the operating of at least one of the trains. Maybe

pique their interest into buying a starter set.

Depends a lot on the kid. Some are respectful of other’s property, some aren’t. You can usually tell which ones are which.

Had my future grandson here last summer and he was very good with them. Kept it at a decent speed, watched where he was walking, and bugged me all day when it was raining out to run the trains…:wink:

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Then again, there aren’t any young children in the neighborhood anymore and the layouts in the back and not noticeable from the street. I’ve had a few kids here with their parents on Open House days, and haven’t had any problems (so far). Most of them either sit in the grass and watch or walk along with it to see where it’s going.

I like to say that I only “Play” with children my own age, but I do welcome parents to bring their children to the operations. Children alone…no way, unless I know them, and have invited them.

So far, over the years, we have had no problems, and have welcomed many children to come out and enjoy the hobby.

As far as “Kids” are concerned; they are hard to control and eat everything. I did hope to use them to keep the weeds and grass under control, but that was a failed experiment…!!

Thanks everyone for your thoughts as well some of the humorous approaches :).

I also want to encourage all the kids to be responsible when they are in the vicinity of the railroad. So I don’t raise my voice but rather gently suggest any contrary behavior change pretty quickly. I usually give them one chance to change. If I find that they choose to make a wrong choice then they are invited to leave. I also put more of that responsibility on my son to be the one to help teach and guide.

Early on when the railroad was just dirt I did let the kids push around some dead engines or a battery operated one. And they had good times with that. But now that scenery has been added I’m becoming more protective of things. I do let my son’s friends run his train as along as he is ok with it and they know how to use the radio gear. If they end up crashing a lot (on purpose) I pretty much put a stop to that. For derailments that are inside the layout and not easily accessible from the sides my son is the one that has permission to walk in to it to fix or retrieve. The kids never get to run my trains unless I’m right there with them.

I have 5 kids…11 and under.

They have reign over the empire…cousins Do Not! When friends are over (cousins) everyone stays out, with a derailment being the only exception. Then it’s the biggest kids job to correct.

Other children don’t understand the cost in labor or dollars (nor do their parents). They do like to ‘watch’ but the young jocks and fairy princesses don’t seem to care past the first 15 min or so. Nobody I know is willing to cough it up to build their own so I don’t even try to go down that road.

My kids love and so do I-we’ve been doing it for a while now (4th build). We don’t have ‘neighbors’ so no problems there.

I have a harder time keeping the cats out than rouge kids.

remember your yard, your rules :slight_smile:

I just wish some, and I do mean just some, parents were more responsible. At the last club display, we politely asked one set of parents, a few times, to not let their child touch the layout. The child was a toddler in the arms of the parents, so I do not blame the child for not understanding. The child fondled a tree (no big deal) and broke an operating crossing gate, even after repeated requests to the parents to not let the child touch the layout.

I went to a steam up this past spring and the big boys were running their expensive toys on the elevated deck and the kids were running/ pushing other trains like Thomas on the older electrified layout. The kids kept raiding the train shed and they were sure beating up on some what I would consider expensive rolling stock but they were having a ball.

I think diversions work well with kids, give them their own train to beat up on and they might leave yours alone.

Richard,

I have three kids working on the railroad. Its important to include your kids in the building and maintaining of the railroad. If they have ownership of the garden they will teach their friends how it should be handled. I also have clearly defined walking paths along the track to keep feet away from the track. And the only railroad/pedestrian crossing is an overpass.

I totally agree with David M. above, the behavior of the child is directly proportional to the parenting skills of said parent. Events at our club has demonstrated clearly that the children we have the largest issues with are the ones the parents are no where to be found.

I keep trying to post a sign that says “You break it, you bought it!”, bit I keep getting shot down, something about trying to get them interested …

Watch out for Grand parent … My brother in law brought 4 grand kids 4-7 yrs old. He laughed as they dropped rocks on the track and crashed my trains. There was no remorse when they succeeded in breaking an engine… As long as the kids were happy…

And now I’m the selfish great uncle that won’t share…

The caveat was finding the Z Santa Fe E unit on my bed! GrandPa said it just fit the youngest’s hand. All the small scale on display is in the dining room… high on a shelf.

Had my sister been there none of the above would have transpired. Instead I’m in perpetual change over from track to battery power… Aw gee nothing is running… maybe next time. Soothes my nerves!

John the Hermit

Post the sign John :slight_smile:

No kids of my own other than the two furkids. Neighbors have youngsters. I go out of my way to play the part of curmudgeon so people will leave me alone. :slight_smile:

Bob, unfortunately a sign won’t do much. One, folks have to read the sign, and two they have to give a darn.

John, that is the shame of it. They didn’t pay for the “toys”, so they have no concept of the replacement cost of even a Z scale locomotive. They have no idea of any “attachment” we have to the items we own, and they consider us selfish if we don’t “share”.

But to turn this thread in a slightly different direction; our club does a yearly show at the Science Center. Many kids come to see the trains. Most are in awe, and respect what we have. I enjoy the event and enjoy the looks on the kids faces. Some of the older kids ask questions and show an interest beyond “hey that’s neat”. So I would hesitate to say anyone should ban children from their set ups, just because of a few bad eggs. I agree that children should be supervised, and polity corrected if they do something wrong. I would do that with the neighbor kid. On the second “offense”, I would start doing some maintenance, that would bore him and he would usually go away.

Dwayne Weyrich said:
No kids of my own other than the two furkids. Neighbors have youngsters. I go out of my way to play the part of curmudgeon so people will leave me alone. :slight_smile:

Dwayne, I just play myself. A bit crazy with some eccentricity thrown in.

My last furry little girl didn’t care about the trains. In fact, she cared so little that she was hit at least 3 times while crossing the tracks. My present little guy has to be leashed so I don’t have to go looking for him in another zip code. I make sure and keep him clear of the railroad at all times.

Kids will be kids, and large groups of kids will be thundering herds of rhinos.

I don’t worry about my own kids and the trains. They’re old enough to know how to handle and respect them. (Both have their own they’re welcome to run at any time.) When I have visitors over, I have no trouble handing the remotes to kids. They enjoy learning how to run them. I do try to enforce the “stay on the grass” rule when kids are around, It’s not the easiest rule to enforce because my kids are used to being able to walk into the interior of the railroad when there are no other kids around, but a gentle “stay on the grass, please” seems to work.

My biggest “issue” is the kids playing with the figures and details I set out. But I set these out knowing they’re “kid magnets.” I have every expectation that my log piles are going to migrate around the railroad or be picked up and loaded onto passing flat cars. My hoppers invariably get filled with rocks and ballast.

Ya know what? I did the same thing when I was their age. I filled hopper cars with rocks. I stood over the tracks to make “tunnels” as the trains passed under my legs. I don’t discourage that behavior, because it’s how kids play with trains. I do keep my eyes open to make sure it doesn’t get out of hand (which it occasionally does.) I’ve got a fairly small railroad, and it’s easy for me to keep my eyes on the train as it’s running around the yard.

The reality is that I’ve broken far more things just running myself than the kids have, so if “having to fix stuff” was the litmus test for who got to run the railroad, I’d had to have hung my transmitter up long ago. I’ve also found most parents of kids who visit the railroad (especially the ones not involved in the hobby) are absolutely paranoid that their kids are going to break something, and keep them on very short leashes.

Public shows tend to be a different ballgame. There’s not that personal interaction between the railroad host and visitor that occurs when someone visits our back yards. The advantage there is that there’s usually some kind of physical barrier (a rope or similar) where those minding the display can politely say “please stay back.” And usually there’s a fairly safe buffer zone between the ropes and the trains, so one has to reach pretty far to do any damage. But there’s also a lot more people to watch, too. The problem is that often times, the club members are huddled in in the back corner talking among themselves instead of working the ropes, interacting with the viewers. It’s been my experience that such incursions into the display are far less frequent when there’s someone engaging the viewers at the ropeline. Maybe it’s that 1-on-1 interaction that’s akin to visitors in our back yards.

There’s no excuse for bad behavior, but there’s also a need to strike a distinction between what’s “bad” behavior and what’s “inherent” behavior in a particular situation. I’ve heard many railroad tour hosts complain about the kids running around their yards and around the trains. My question to them is often–perhaps not quite so bluntly–“what did you expect?” Kids don’t like museums where you just walk around and look at things behind glass cases. There’s nothing wrong with “don’t touch” rules for your garden railroad, but they’re not going to create an environment where kids’ imaginations are captured. Kids like to “do” far more than they like to “see.” The kids are going to look for alternative creative outlets while they’re there. And who knows what that outlet might be…

Later,

K

Pretty much what everyone has said I find to be true. Those who mentioned parents being the ones who should be corrected are spot on. I have found, throughout life, that if you paid for it, built it yourself, or worked hard to just be able to purchase it, you are the only one who will respect it. And you will be the type of person that respects other’s property. I’ve also found that those with artistic talent are more likely to have respect for things made by hand than those who are more academic. I know that statement may raise some eyebrows, but I find it is generally the case.

As far as my own garden railway goes, I once had more detail than I now have. I’ve learned a few things, during the twenty two years it’s been in existence. Now it’s more kid friendly, partly due to my two grandchildren who love it but want to play in it and partly due to my experience with garden railroading.

Absolutely “Hands On”. You can communicate in so many ways sharing something you enjoy with a younger person. Even before 2 years old, they can push a button to blow the horn or ring the bell.