Large Scale Central

Garden Railroads and Children

Dan Padova said:

Pretty much what everyone has said I find to be true. Those who mentioned parents being the ones who should be corrected are spot on. I have found, throughout life, that if you paid for it, built it yourself, or worked hard to just be able to purchase it, you are the only one who will respect it. And you will be the type of person that respects other’s property. I’ve also found that those with artistic talent are more likely to have respect for things made by hand than those who are more academic…

I agree. The shame is that all to often if someone is just given something they do not respect it and take care of it. There are exceptions of course.

I’m the odd man out here. I hate it when kids come over. I built my railroad for me and could care less if anyone comes to see it. I have some friends that come over but they respect my layout and understand what is going on. For the most part train time is my time. I am a poor large scale ambassador.

Terry

Terry Burr said:

I’m the odd man out here. I hate it when kids come over. I built my railroad for me and could care less if anyone comes to see it. I have some friends that come over but they respect my layout and understand what is going on. For the most part train time is my time. I am a poor large scale ambassador.

Terry

Bah! Humbug! …you play the Grinch at Christmas too?..:wink:

It’s clearly different when you have kids over, their focus is shorter term, run the train a bit, add some cars, change the locos, etc. But I expect that when I have them over. They love the trains and respect the trains and controls or they don’t run them, simple. They act up and they are spectators.

I do not have people over with children that are bad parents though, and that does wonders for crowd control, and reinforcing the rules of the railroad.

The youngest engineer was 2 and he could run and stop and start. Older kids like 4-5 are able to throw switches and route trains.

Many of the kids learn faster than the adults… their minds are open…

Greg

“Many of the kids learn faster than the adults… their minds are open…”

Too much of an open mind and your brains fall out! :wink:

That might also be called a “reboot”… which is sometimes a good thing :slight_smile:

I live so far out in the country (end of the world-2 miles), that the only kids that ever come over are my grandchildren.

“Here’s how the throttle works, and these are the rules.”. So far, so good. I start them when they show interest, usually about two, or so.

This being the UK, where just about nobody talks to anybody else, I’ve never had ANY of the problems/situations that some of you seem to have had. The only child EVER to ‘play trains’ here was/is our granddaughter, who started off with her own Eggliner, and now has run of the LGB stuff, as and when she wants. For the last two years she has shown no interest whatsoever.

Our little layout cannot be seen from the street unless the side gate is open, and you have to know that you are looking at a raised ralroad track to know that you are actually seeing a little railroad.

In spite of all the noises of trains over the years, and, as you all know, US/Canuckian railroads can be pretty noisy environments - especially if you are deef like me and like to hear them dismals gundering away with horns and bells, and steamers doing all their steam things - but nobody has ever knocked on our door to ask about the train noises that they can plainly hear.

I’ve checked a few times, to see what CAN be heard, too, and it’s pretty impressive.

But the locals remain totally uninterested, even when they all had kids of a suitably train-oriented age.

So why don’t we have thr track out the front of the house, so they can all see it?

  1. It would be either stolen or destroyed with a couple of hours.

  2. The front of our house, laffably called the front garden here in UK, measures just over eleven feet by six, and is completely gravelled so that the neighbouring cats and dogs can use it as a crapper - it seems.

  3. If the local scumbags didn’t steal it, then the passing ‘travellers’ would suck it up in seconds…

I’m happy to relate that it’s a whole different ballgame when we take one or other of our portable tracks to a venue - we are practically fighting kids off on those occasions.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

Naw Ken, I’m not a Grinch. My train set is my unwinding time. I work on it alone and enjoy it. My wife will wander out and give me a cold one and chat for a bit but then she heads back in. When non train friends/company come over I put them away.

Terry

Terry Burr said:

Naw Ken, I’m not a Grinch. My train set is my unwinding time. I work on it alone and enjoy it. My wife will wander out and give me a cold one and chat for a bit but then she heads back in. When non train friends/company come over I put them away.

Terry

Terry,

I so badly want to criticize and lambast you but I just can’t bring myself to do it. The reason is that to each of us our railroads are our release for the stress of the world whatever that might be. I don’t have a railroad but when I am building it is my time to relax and think of nothing else. Some of us get that release in sharing what we have with kids, some with other enthusiasts and some of us are the loner types. Your railroad is yours to bring freedom from reality and you do that in your particular way and you are not wrong for doing it your way.I am this way about fishing. . . by favorite fishing partner is silence and solitude.

As much as I love kids and hope to share what I have created with them I certanly respect you fro not wanting too.

Devon

Joe Zullo said:

“Many of the kids learn faster than the adults… their minds are open…”

Too much of an open mind and your brains fall out! :wink:

I think I lost mine some time ago. Please, if anyone finds it please return it to …Believe me, there’s nothing in it worth keeping :slight_smile:

Dan Padova said:

Joe Zullo said:

“Many of the kids learn faster than the adults… their minds are open…”

Too much of an open mind and your brains fall out! :wink:

I think I lost mine some time ago. Please, if anyone finds it please return it to …Believe me, there’s nothing in it worth keeping :slight_smile:

Shucks! It’s been a great door stop.

Well, I didn’t like to write this, but I bleeve that we live in two entirely disparate cultures. When I first set out my track, around Fall of 2002, there were four or five youngsters living in house adjacent to ours - we live on a kind of a corner of a dead-end street, and we are overlooked in back by four other houses, all of whom had children of a suitable train age…

For the first few times I ran during that late Fall, I’d put up a ‘trains today’ sign, in the hope of getting some interest going, the way one does, knowing that there are at least TWO other live-steam railway modellers in the village.

Zero interest.

I was out washing the cars one morning and one of the locals came across the street and asked me what I meant by putting up the ‘trains today’ sign. I explone that it was because I was running trains in my backyard and was keen to foster interest in the neighbourhood.

Well, said the person, I guess that’s a different approach than offering sweeties, and off he walked. I was so totally dumbstruck that I couldn’t think of any reply, more with anger than anything else.

Since then, TBH, I’ve never bothered asking anybody around, except people I know who also have trains that are part of our model railway group.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

PS - both other live-steamers in the village are in the same 16mm Association as I am, and I know them both by sight. Neither have ever had an open house get-together, and I found out about them at another meet near Cambridge a few years back when we got talking about how far we’d come to the meet. They both run 32mm track, rather than the 45mm that I run on, and although all my narrow gauge locos have adjustable gauge axles, no invitations have ever been forthcoming. Seems that they don’t talk to each other, either.

Sign of the times. Was watching a video of “Baby It’s Cold Outside” from the '40s. Comments section was peppered with ignorant, politically correct tripe instead of an appreciation for a time that was better than today and only getting worse.

I’m in the “loner” camp. My trains and my yard are my stress reliever. I don’t want kids or adults around when I destress. If I want to be around people I’ll head down to the nearest pub.

TAC,

Having just completed another year of a Thanksgiving Weekend Train Show, I understand the attitude of not wanting to share. We are always amazed with participants at trains shows that don’t talk to the people looking at the layouts.

Whatever, we go to have fun.

I believe the attitude of the “sticks in the mud” participants is their loss. We live amongst them or around them. We’ll give them a little time and then they become like a stain on the floor, you walk around it or over it and realize it is unimportant and only distracts from the overall experience.

Ric and all - don’t get the idea that I’m a grinch - nothing could be further from the truth. We have around 8 - 10 public train shows a year, and I’m right up there with those who want to get hands-on, which is why I’m having another two of my bigger locos converted to r/c and battery. If trusting a stranger with a $4000 loco and another $1000-worth of cars is suspicious, well, I dunno what to say…

It’s jst that all my efforts to get neighbours interested in ‘playing trains’ met with suspicion. Dunno why, I’m not exactly a creepy kind of person, as anyone who knows me would tell you.

Here in UK though, I have noticed an increasing awareness of the existence of Youfacetwitch, and I’ve often been asked, when making movies for my Youtube channel - tac’s trains - to make sure that ‘my child’ is not in frame.

Sad, eh?

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

TAC,

Having spent time with you in Canada, I know you like everyone or almost everyone. :wink:

Its true your stuffed buddy is a little different.

Hey, I’ll tell him you said that.

tac

He knows my feelings from when I sat him on the ground and took his chair.

I’ve spent a summer as Sully’s chief operator, and we’ve hosted kids 3 times.

This little girl’s parents have a garden railroad and visited on a breezy Saturday afternoon. Mrs. Sully spent some time with her and showed her the fish.

Sully’s twin 9-year-old ADHD grandsons Noah and Austin were here for several days. They were a bit of a handfull. I found railroading works best if you keep the train sorter than your attention span. I had to level that switch again, I hadn’t engineered it to withstand a 9-year-old falling on it

One afternoon, Austin went to town with most of the grown-ups and Noah helped me make a video that Sully wanted:

(You can’t embed a ewetewb any more?)

http://youtu.be/C1AprO8PWko

But when the ADHD kicks in, you get a shot like this:

http://youtu.be/QF9KqrSww-4

This boy saw us at a weekend show and was invited out to see the railroad. He was so careful with the trains and operated them very well.