I guess I need to read the newsletter. Now, if I can find the dumb thing. 
I re-uped and canceled last year after just 1 issueā¦sadly, I canāt let my kids read a mag that directly conflicts with the ethics I adhere to and strive to teach themā¦
oh wellā¦looks like they will have to do their own thing in the backyard and enjoy the content here you guys produce!
I re-read the newsletter and still didnāt find it. Checked all the links, too.
I did not see it either Steve.
Steve Featherkile said:
I re-read the newsletter and still didnāt find it. Checked all the links, too.
I just check my trash of the old e-mail form Garden R.R. and on the newsletter they sent me.
Garden Railroad Maz. was $19.95 for one year. That was a 52% off and expired 11/29/2014.
Should of reading the fine print at the bottom of the add.
I didnāt get in on the offer either. Bummerā¦ I waited to longā¦
My problem with GR hasnāt been the predictable ads and articles, but with a certain editorial in April of this year, where Mr. Horovitz took a major dump on any of us who are trying to design and build with rapid-prototyping methods. Sure, it would be nice to have a lathe and mill, and have time and ability to learn to be a craftsman. And I donāt mean to take anything away from such folks, I stand in awe of them. But for we who are sometimes new to the hobby, have 3d design skills, and are trying make a contribution with the time and means and experience at our disposal, Marcās words seemed to me haughty, uninformed, and short sighted. Ever since, Iāve been thinking I should perhaps put my money into a different subscription.
Cliff
For a few days I thought about taking the discounted subscription rate and decided the $19.95 was better spent on supplies!
Cliff Jennings said:
My problem with GR hasnāt been the predictable ads and articles, but with a certain editorial in April of this year, where Mr. Horovitz took a major dump on any of us who are trying to design and build with rapid-prototyping methods. Sure, it would be nice to have a lathe and mill, and have time and ability to learn to be a craftsman. And I donāt mean to take anything away from such folks, I stand in awe of them. But for we who are sometimes new to the hobby, have 3d design skills, and are trying make a contribution with the time and means and experience at our disposal, Marcās words seemed to me haughty, uninformed, and short sighted. Ever since, Iāve been thinking I should perhaps put my money into a different subscription.
Cliff
Amen, Cliff. I thought that editorial was very strange.
I think that the ability to have 3D design skills is just that - itās a real ability and one that I admire. Itās not trivial at all.
For me, it was that attitude that caused me not to renew my subscription. My money is much better spent being a supporting member here at LSC where all sorts of contributions are more than welcome.
Cliff Jennings said:
My problem with GR hasnāt been the predictable ads and articles, but with a certain editorial in April of this year, where Mr. Horovitz took a major dump on any of us who are trying to design and build with rapid-prototyping methods. Sure, it would be nice to have a lathe and mill, and have time and ability to learn to be a craftsman. And I donāt mean to take anything away from such folks, I stand in awe of them. But for we who are sometimes new to the hobby, have 3d design skills, and are trying make a contribution with the time and means and experience at our disposal, Marcās words seemed to me haughty, uninformed, and short sighted. Ever since, Iāve been thinking I should perhaps put my money into a different subscription.
Cliff
When I read Marcās comments I just went , Huh this is a guy that has no clue of what it takes to get equipment to do what it designed to do. I bought a used Epilog laser that a lady had, had for 4 years. She was so intrigued by work that had been done on a laser, so she bought one. Then she found out that putting a piece into a laser and wishing it to produce what she wanted, JUST DID NOTHING. I have had people comment if I had a laser I could make those parts for my railroad, I would look over the top of my glasses at them and kind of snicker and say sure, you bet.
People for the most part has no clue of the HOURS it takes to plan and prepare and cutting trial parts over and over to get everything just right.
The massive years of experience and hours of designing and planning and preperation to get a machine to do what your idea is.
I can assure you of one thing if it was not for all this modernized cnc equippment no one could afford this hobby.
I thought this just shows his area of expertise is nowhere near cnc machining, and the fact is this man has NO CLUE, of the present or the future.
Dennis
Dennis Rayon said:
Cliff Jennings said:
My problem with GR hasnāt been the predictable ads and articles, but with a certain editorial in April of this year, where Mr. Horovitz took a major dump on any of us who are trying to design and build with rapid-prototyping methods. Sure, it would be nice to have a lathe and mill, and have time and ability to learn to be a craftsman. And I donāt mean to take anything away from such folks, I stand in awe of them. But for we who are sometimes new to the hobby, have 3d design skills, and are trying make a contribution with the time and means and experience at our disposal, Marcās words seemed to me haughty, uninformed, and short sighted. Ever since, Iāve been thinking I should perhaps put my money into a different subscription.
Cliff
When I read Marcās comments I just went , Huh this is a guy that has no clue of what it takes to get equipment to do what it designed to do. I bought a used Epilog laser that a lady had, had for 4 years. She was so intrigued by work that had been done on a laser, so she bought one. Then she found out that putting a piece into a laser and wishing it to produce what she wanted, JUST DID NOTHING. I have had people comment if I had a laser I could make those parts for my railroad, I would look over the top of my glasses at them and kind of snicker and say sure, you bet.
People for the most part has no clue of the HOURS it takes to plan and prepare and cutting trial parts over and over to get everything just right.
The massive years of experience and hours of designing and planning and preperation to get a machine to do what your idea is.
I can assure you of one thing if it was not for all this modernized cnc equippment no one could afford this hobby.
I thought this just shows his area of expertise is nowhere near cnc machining, and the fact is this man has NO CLUE, of the present or the future.
Dennis
Dennis I read your post while wanting to hide under the couch. I actually felt much the same way as this editor guy. On MLS I even commented on how I believed 3D technology would ruin scratch building. Then I opened my narrow mind. First, have no problem with making a mold and casting pieces in brass or plastic so whats the difference. Second, I didnāt really understand the process. . . after all donāt you just take a picture of your computer and hit print . . . naive. Finally, I need a part that quite frankly the best way to produce the one off part I need is with a 3D printer.
Then I met a guy on there that stepped up to design and make the part for me fairly cheap ( I cant wait until it all comes together and I get them). He is building an almost 100% 3D printed 2-6-0. The thing is coming out awesome for sure but then he starts to talk about the time involved and the trail and error you mention and I just had to do a complete 180. This is a trade skill as much as any. Lets face it a lathe and mill were cutting edge for their time, the guy casting parts with a furnace and sand mold must have hated them too. CAD, 3D printing, Lasers, CNC mills and routers are a valuable asset for out hobby. It will be fun to play with the stuff they produce.
āā¦People for the most part has no clue of the HOURS it takes to plan and prepareā¦ā
Too many donāt know what it takes to keep the lights on and their TV showing those moving pictures.
Sadly still too many have no idea where milk or veggies come from ā¦other than say a carton at the big store outlet.
BTW, editorials are someone thoughts at the time ā¦ not meant to make everyone happy ā¦ if it did the masses would be drones/lemmings ! And we would all possibly be stumbling round chasing a little white ball with a metal handled rodā¦ imho
The reason the printed media are seemingly dying off is primarily the lack of advertising. In their case the flipside of say why that trump show hung round for at least one more season ā¦ so said their advertising director the ratings sucked but the advertisers still paid the millions to advertā ā¦ not so lucky with printed media, as the masses are blinded by the marketing of the shiny new electronic tech/toy marketplace !!
But yeah, GR mag has a place still, for the aspiring garden railway enthusiasts ā¦ just like joining a club to pick up on a few ideas and a bit of direction, for a few months or a decade oā¦
nite
I still get it even if itās to read the articles from our own members!!
I do like the picsā¦ great way to visualize ideaās!
I tend to agree with that Marc feller from that magazine. Iām just now becoming proficient in whittling and card stock buildings, and now Iām supposed to start using a Com Pewter to build my models? Sorry, I just canāt stretch that far.
Steve, a card carrying Luddite
BTW, those trucks that Mark printed for me are sweet.
Did I say that out loud?
The $19.95 offer just was offered again until 12/07/2014.
My subscription is up. I just subscribed this for the first time and was offered the $19.99 deal at sign up. One of the reasons I subscribed. The other being I just started in g scale and any info was helpful.
I wasnāt going to renew it, because the renewal price they offered me was around $26ā¦if I remember right. That, and I was aggravated that I didnāt get the cheaper off like everybody else. Until now. I just got the email for the $19.99 deal. Iām thinking Iāll renew. 
Bruce and Dennis, thanks for your responses to what Iād written, I wasnāt sure if Iād gone too far.
And yes, it is VERY challenging (and sometimes expensive) to get a computer design right. This isnāt the proper thread to go into it, but Iād have numerous tips and tricks to offer GR in an article on 3D design and integration with commercial products (as would many others, Iām sure). But Marc has encouraged a dichotomy that not only doesnāt need to exist: itās counterproductive to GR, and the hobby in general.
But, Iāll probably renew my subscription anywayā¦
Thanks for letting me blow off a little steam guys.
Cliff Jennings said:
Bruce and Dennis, thanks for your responses to what Iād written, I wasnāt sure if Iād gone too far.
And yes, it is VERY challenging (and sometimes expensive) to get a computer design right. This isnāt the proper thread to go into it, but Iād have numerous tips and tricks to offer GR in an article on 3D design and integration with commercial products (as would many others, Iām sure). But Marc has encouraged a dichotomy that not only doesnāt need to exist: itās counterproductive to GR, and the hobby in general.
But, Iāll probably renew my subscription anywayā¦
Thanks for letting me blow off a little steam guys.
Cliff
Here comes one of my suggestions: How about writing those tips and tricks up as Articles here on LSC (http://www.largescalecentral.com/articles)? I for one would be a happy reader; anything that makes project progress easier is appreciated.
We can all pick our own battles and how much we let the other winā¦ First determine what is Really Important and what isnāt.
My angst was with those ācheatersā that used On30 instead of being āpurerā like me and my fellow On3 finescalers! Now that I play with 1:24 Iām a traitor to my own cause!
Let them carry their own torches!
I didnāt subscribe for the Editorial, but for inspiration and fellowship.
If you let them get to you, theyāve won.
John
Marc is a nice guy in person, but sometimes what he writes can be ratherā¦it strikes a bad chord. Somewhere I have a rejection letter from him about my Heartland Forney kit-bash article. So I donāt pay too much attention to his editorials. The magazine doesnāt appear to me, to be what it once was, but there are still some good tid bits in there.