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First reaction/mention of the USA (LGB Saga)

Hans and others:

Is your take on the new owner’s response to the LGB press release a declaration, in effect, that LGB of America is virtually at the disposal of the new owner in Germany — IF the owner can establish with legal credibility he, in fact, does own all the trademarks and useage thereof?

Any information you have that affirms or denies the above?

Here’s my Large Scale Scorecard to date:
Large Scale has earned a reputation of continually providing interest far beyond the use of its products. The real ct most interesting remains the industry’s business practices. It appears to date, this is the only one that doesn’t cost us except for the time to express interest.

Some hightlights just don’t go away:
1 - Speculation as to the outcome for St. Aubin in Las Vegas;
2 - The continued practice of advertising years in advance for products that don’t exist --and may never;
3 - The production of products speculated based upon advance “orders”;
4 - The “beta testing” of products by consumers long after the production run has been completed and products sold;
5 - The remedy for product failures coming from product users (such as from our trusted evaluator and testing agent, TOC);
6 - The role or non-role of consumers in determining what products are produced;
7 - Finally, it is now time for LGB to be in the barrel – such as what Harley Davidson had and gave up to Honda, AMF, and finally rescuing its image from cops and outlaws.

Is LGB 2007’s Harley?

SELAH!

Wendell

Wendell Hanks said:
Hans and others:

Is your take on the new owner’s response to the LGB press release a declaration, in effect, that LGB of America is virtually at the disposal of the new owner in Germany — IF the owner can establish with legal credibility he, in fact, does own all the trademarks and useage thereof?

Any information you have that affirms or denies the above?


Wendell,

No additional information yet!
The insolvency court page hasn’t been updated, yet.

Reading the German version and the English version it means to me Schöntag is serving notice that all the intellectual and material property is his, based on German law!

As posted elsewhere

EPL said:
PRESSEMITTEILUNG PRESS RELEASE

Am 14. Februar gab Tony Castellano, “President of LGB of America” eine offizielle Presseerklärung ab.

Diese Pressemitteilung von LGBoA kommentiert E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co KG wie folgt:

Entgegen der Darstellung von LGB of America sind die US-Markenrechte und US-copyrights mit dem Verkauf der LGB of America an G45 am 1.9.2006 automatisch an E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG zurückgefallen. E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG als Rechtsnachfolger ist somit Eigentümer aller Markenrechte weltweit.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG hofft in den nächsten Tagen, gemeinsam mit der LGB of America, eine einvernehmliche Erklärung zu den unterschiedlichen Ansichten geben zu können.

Tony Castellano “President of LGB of America” recently published an official Press Release.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG comment on this Press Release as follows:

Contrary to LGB of America’s interpretation all US-trademarks and US-copyrights worldwide reverted automatically back to E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG upon transferring ownership of LGB of America to G45 on September 1st, 2006. Therefore, E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG as the successor in title is the owner of all trademarks and copyrights worldwide.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG is confident to release an amicable statement together with LGB of America regarding the different interpretations within the next days.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG

Nürnberg, 16. Februar 2007


I checked several of the trademark registrations as listed on the TESS site (see the other thread), everyone of those trademarks is registered to “Ernst Paul Lehmann Patentwerk”. That of course is the property Schöntag acquired out of the insolvency.

Don’t change the channel! :wink: :slight_smile:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
The Lone Railroader said:
Only the lawyers are going to win financially as this gets weirder and weirder.......the company & customer lose Big Time.
But Marvin,

Here I thought that you were all in favour of getting this sorted out once and for all, in a fair and proper way?? Had a “Cheney attack”? - remember the one about the principles?


You really don’t know anything about my likes & dislikes…I really could care less. I like LGB Trains, but I have more than enough to last me the rest of my life…and eBay is always a good source for more, if needed…but I expect the prices to become overly “inflated” on eBay & the train stores as the gloom & doom word on “shortages” of LGB/ELP trains gets out to the masses.

I can see the ads, now…no more in the warehouse…no more in the stores…this is your only chance to own one of these cars…locos…track…etc…hurry send your money to me and “make me rich”.

Remember: I have no financial stake in the model train hobby like you do.

Sittin’ by the Water Tank…waitin’ fer a train…

Giddy up, Mule…

The Lone Railroader
Out on the Lonesome Prairie

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Reading the German version and the English version [b] it means to me [/b] Schöntag is serving notice that all the intellectual and material property is his, based on German law!

:slight_smile:


But didn’t you post the article that Schoontag folded his cards on the bid because of his lack of financial support by the banks? Is he now going to try and raise cash with lawsuits?

The Lone Railroader said:
But didn't you post the article that Schoontag folded his cards on the bid because of his lack of financial support by the banks? Is he now going to try and raise cash with lawsuits?
Marvin, Hans sure did post the article. He did not create the article. That was from LGB in Germany.

BTW, you posted the folowing:

The Lone Railroader said:
Rolf Richter attended Law School, may have practiced law before he was forced, due to his Father's age & health, to take over the EPL business. He conducts no transactions personally, (the days of the hand shake are over). His lawyers carve out the contract and business dealings. So who had the most interest in splitting LGBoA away from EPL to escape the German Labor Laws & EPL Debt Load and using the very unique Delaware business corporation laws to do it? Thus hiding the true owner(s) of LGB?

It’s not really too difficult to answer your question now, is it?


Actually you did not answer the questions.
Are you really sure you want to continue with that hypothesis for all the World to see the sort of information you get from your “reliable sources”?
Or is it a figment of your imagination?

Ah, Master Walsham…the lack-of-financing post was from LGB45, NOT The Fatherland.
This latest missive is a shot-across-the-bow to the mental midgets who may be trying to speak for those in The Fatherland…obviously, the new owner is VERY MUCH in charge.

Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
I am reasonably certain they are scrambling with the “hidden” owner trying to figure out how they missed that little fact…

The Lone Railroader said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Reading the German version and the English version [b] it means to me [/b] Schöntag is serving notice that all the intellectual and material property is his, based on German law!

:slight_smile:


But didn’t you post the article that Schoontag folded his cards on the bid because of his lack of financial support by the banks? Is he now going to try and raise cash with lawsuits?

Marvin,

When there’s a question mark after a sentence in a newspaper article, what would that mean?? :slight_smile:

Curmudgeon said:
Ah, Master Walsham.....the lack-of-financing post was from LGB45, NOT The Fatherland. This latest missive is a shot-across-the-bow to the mental midgets who may be trying to speak for those in The Fatherland....obviously, the new owner is VERY MUCH in charge.

Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
I am reasonably certain they are scrambling with the “hidden” owner trying to figure out how they missed that little fact…


Dave, you are absolutely right.
Just goes to show I can’t get it right all the time.

Three wise men huh!!!
I guess we know where the Frankincense (patents) and Myrrh (name use rights) are.
Now all we need to know is, what happened to the gold?

I just got another missive from LGB of Everywhere Else.

It was in German, and English; apparently they didn’t want anyone thinking anything had been lost in the translation.

"Am 14. Februar gab Tony Castellano, “President of LGB of America” eine offizielle Presseerklärung ab.

Diese Pressemitteilung von LGBoA kommentiert E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co KG wie folgt:

Entgegen der Darstellung von LGB of America sind die US-Markenrechte und US-copyrights mit dem Verkauf der LGB of America an G45 am 1.9.2006 automatisch an E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG zurückgefallen. E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG als Rechtsnachfolger ist somit Eigentümer aller Markenrechte weltweit.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG hofft in den nächsten Tagen, gemeinsam mit der LGB of America, eine einvernehmliche Erklärung zu den unterschiedlichen Ansichten geben zu können.

Tony Castellano “President of LGB of America” recently published an official Press Release.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG comment on this Press Release as follows:

Contrary to LGB of America’s interpretation all US-trademarks and US-copyrights worldwide reverted automatically back to E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG upon transferring ownership of LGB of America to G45 on September 1st, 2006. Therefore, E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG as the successor in title is the owner of all trademarks and copyrights worldwide.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG is confident to release an amicable statement together with LGB of America regarding the different interpretations within the next days.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG

Nürnberg, 16. Februar 2007"

I think that’s pretty straightforward, and from the horses mouth to boot… and very hard to spin.

Translated another way, it might have read “MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSIN,” I think …

Matthew (OV)

TonyWalsham said:
The Lone Railroader said:
But didn't you post the article that Schoontag folded his cards on the bid because of his lack of financial support by the banks? Is he now going to try and raise cash with lawsuits?
Marvin, Hans sure did post the article. He did not create the article. That was from LGB in Germany.

BTW, you posted the folowing:

The Lone Railroader said:
Rolf Richter attended Law School, may have practiced law before he was forced, due to his Father's age & health, to take over the EPL business. He conducts no transactions personally, (the days of the hand shake are over). His lawyers carve out the contract and business dealings. So who had the most interest in splitting LGBoA away from EPL to escape the German Labor Laws & EPL Debt Load and using the very unique Delaware business corporation laws to do it? Thus hiding the true owner(s) of LGB?

It’s not really too difficult to answer your question now, is it?


Actually you did not answer the questions.
Are you really sure you want to continue with that hypothesis for all the World to see the sort of information you get from your “reliable sources”?
Or is it a figment of your imagination?

The Law School & Lawyers are factual and can be verified with school records and the contracts with LGB Dealers and can be verified by asking the dealers (I did)…What is in the Delaware Corporation Records on the ELP/LGBoA split is an unknown…so that part is pure speculation…but based on previous modus operandi is certainly possible.

Curmudgeon said:
Ah, Master Walsham.....the lack-of-financing post was from LGB45, NOT The Fatherland. This latest missive is a shot-across-the-bow to the mental midgets who may be trying to speak for those in The Fatherland....obviously, the new owner is VERY MUCH in charge.

Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
I am reasonably certain they are scrambling with the “hidden” owner trying to figure out how they missed that little fact…


Herr Schoontag had until March 1, 2007 to pony up the money for EPL (Check: It’s in the agreement with the bankruptcy court). And since he got no upfront money from the buyers at the Toy Fair…knout plus knout equals knout.

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
The Lone Railroader said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Reading the German version and the English version [b] it means to me [/b] Schöntag is serving notice that all the intellectual and material property is his, based on German law!

:slight_smile:


But didn’t you post the article that Schoontag folded his cards on the bid because of his lack of financial support by the banks? Is he now going to try and raise cash with lawsuits?

Marvin,

When there’s a question mark after a sentence in a newspaper article, what would that mean?? :slight_smile:


Uncertain as to fact.

Matthew (OV) said:
I just got another missive from LGB of Everywhere Else.

It was in German, and English; apparently they didn’t want anyone thinking anything had been lost in the translation.

"Am 14. Februar gab Tony Castellano, “President of LGB of America” eine offizielle Presseerklärung ab.

Diese Pressemitteilung von LGBoA kommentiert E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co KG wie folgt:

Entgegen der Darstellung von LGB of America sind die US-Markenrechte und US-copyrights mit dem Verkauf der LGB of America an G45 am 1.9.2006 automatisch an E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG zurückgefallen. E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG als Rechtsnachfolger ist somit Eigentümer aller Markenrechte weltweit.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG hofft in den nächsten Tagen, gemeinsam mit der LGB of America, eine einvernehmliche Erklärung zu den unterschiedlichen Ansichten geben zu können.

Tony Castellano “President of LGB of America” recently published an official Press Release.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG comment on this Press Release as follows:

Contrary to LGB of America’s interpretation all US-trademarks and US-copyrights worldwide reverted automatically back to E.P.LEHMANN PATENTWERK OHG upon transferring ownership of LGB of America to G45 on September 1st, 2006. Therefore, E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG as the successor in title is the owner of all trademarks and copyrights worldwide.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG is confident to release an amicable statement together with LGB of America regarding the different interpretations within the next days.

E.P.LEHMANN GmbH & Co. KG

Nürnberg, 16. Februar 2007"

I think that’s pretty straightforward, and from the horses mouth to boot… and very hard to spin.

Translated another way, it might have read “MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSIN,” I think …

Matthew (OV)


The trademark database has not been updated since 2000…the LGBoA/EPL split is recorded as happening on 1 September 2006. It would appear that some clerk has been neglectful in updated the database…I don’t expect the Queen of Hearts to demand, “off with their head”…now do you?

Curmudgeon said:
Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
So due to the lack of wise men, is that why you, HJ and Walsham responded?

And I respond when I have time…sitting at the PC all the time, bouncing from chat site to chat site to spew is neither in my schedule nor desires.

I guess wise men know when to keep thier mouths shut.

Here is a interview with Buffington.

Yes you can read between the lines sometimes, but here it is from his mouth.

Listen and you will get more information, don’t speculate just yet.

http://www.gardentrainsradio.com/broadcasts/001-GardenTrainsRadio_LGBofAmerica-DavidBuffington.mp3

The Lone Railroader said:
Curmudgeon said:
Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
So due to the lack of wise men, is that why you, HJ and Walsham responded?

And I respond when I have time…sitting at the PC all the time, bouncing from chat site to chat site to spew is neither in my schedule nor desires.


Marvin,

You know of course the difference between you being on the different fora and other people being on the different fora is:

You use several different identities (multiple split personality syndrome???).

Other people are quite happy to use either the same handle or, as in my case, use their real name complete with working contact information and a proper profile.

Yes, I know there is no requirement for that on the Internet, OTOH I have no requirement to hide behind “whatever”. :wink: :slight_smile: :smiley: :smiley:

The Lone Railroader said:
.................................

The trademark database has not been updated since 2000…the LGBoA/EPL split is recorded as happening on 1 September 2006. It would appear that some clerk has been neglectful in updated the database…I don’t expect the Queen of Hearts to demand, “off with their head”…now do you?


Marvin,

In case you weren’t aware how DBs (no, that is not Dave Buffington!) work, they get updated when there are changes. They remain the same when there are no changes.

The Lone Railroader said:
.....I don't expect the Queen of Hearts to demand, "off with their head"....now do you?
Oh, I see. It all makes perfect sense now, really. I must have been asleep when we passed the looking glass, missed the white rabbit entirely, and have inadvertently been trying to make sense of the Mad Hatter. Now that the Queen of Hearts has turned up, I understand entirely what's happened and where I am..... and what that strange burning smell is.

I’m returning to the surface forthwith. I suspect, though, that since there are now two different parties declaring total and exclusive ownership and rights to the same “property” that at some point no degree of shouting or bluster will be able to prevent one party or the other from being demonstrated to have been incorrect when making that claim.

Meanwhile, enjoy the tea party, and pray excuse me …

Matthew (OV)

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
The Lone Railroader said:
Curmudgeon said:
Notice the lack of responses from the three wise men?
So due to the lack of wise men, is that why you, HJ and Walsham responded?

And I respond when I have time…sitting at the PC all the time, bouncing from chat site to chat site to spew is neither in my schedule nor desires.


Marvin,

You know of course the difference between you being on the different fora and other people being on the different fora is:

You use several different identities (multiple split personality syndrome???).

Other people are quite happy to use either the same handle or, as in my case, use their real name complete with working contact information and a proper profile.

Yes, I know there is no requirement for that on the Internet, OTOH I have no requirement to hide behind “whatever”. :wink: :slight_smile: :smiley: :smiley:


Sorry, but your Psychology 101 Class has failed you, again. I do not have multiple split personality syndrome. I have worked under other names in the name of freedom, but I am the same person…yesterday, today & tomorrow.

And quit putting the smiley faces in an attempt to cover up your contempt…it doesn’t work.