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Crest and GenX offer no warranty on new products.

I am surprised that no one picked up on the recent thread on the Aristro forum pertaining to warrantees. According to J Polk and their respective web sites, they offer no warrantees on any of their products even DOAs. Scotts comment at the spring show was that he was a 1 man operation and had neither the skills nor access to replacement parts, thus if a products was received defective he would work with the purchaser. I do not want to be worked with, I want a repalcement or my money back on anything that is received defective. With no parts available the customer cannot opt to fix it himself.

Similarly, my horror story with Crest. I purchased a six pack of diesel receivers this spring. They were dead on arrival. Note: I have 26 engines with receivers in them and have installed a whole host of others. After numerous unanswered calls and emails, Navin aggreed the ones I tried were derective and to return all six. I did and a short time later received an invoice for $70.00 for repair and postage. I was mad as these were brand new, but sent it out immediately. I have not received them back and there is again no response. Last week I received another invoice for $20.00. I called and was told he only repaired one and would return them but one would be a non sound receiver. If I wanted them back i had to pay the additional $20.00. After consulting with my lawyer, I paid it. I still have not recieved the receivers. he did not answer the call from her office, thus, she is filing with the NJ Att, Gen office. At this time I am out close to $700.00 purchase, shipping and repair cost.

Without the availabilty of returning defective products and the unavailabilty of parts should one decide to repair it him/herself, one has to evaluate the economic risk should it be received DOA or dies shortly after purchase prior to making the investment. An alternative is to seek in writing some kind of warranty from the retailer.

I’d like to see a direct quote that says that they dont provide a warranty.

Bob McCown said:

I’d like to see a direct quote that says that they dont provide a warranty.

See Jonathan Polk’s response towards the bottom of the page. I think that pretty well sums it up.

Since PGN is a “new” company I can see that PGN would not do warranty repairs for Aristo products. But where does that translate to PGN is not doing warranty repairs on their own products? I haven’t bought any PGN products, so I do not know what warranty they offer, if any.

Aristocraft’s warranty died with Aristocraft. Now Crest should repair DOA Crest products under a warranty. If not, then I would be real hesitant to do business with them. Caveat emptor

If I read that right, Crest will warranty things, it’s just their service is bad?

I was seriously considering buying their train engineer setup. That has me reconsidering though.

Matt, If Crest warrrantees their product why did I have to send two checks one for $70.00 and one For $20.00 to repair BRAND NEWreceivers??? Why when I sent in 6 diesel receivers did he say he was sending back 5 diesel and 1 non sound receiver??? Service is lousy as even after sending the last payment, I still do not have the receivers?which he was to send over 3 weeks ago?? I only tried a two which did not work but on his request sent all six, Why am I getting only one repaired and a subsitute for the other?? The other 4 were in sealed unopened boxes.

BOB Scott’s comment on working with customers who receive defective product is not a warranty. Warranty is 60 or90 days or 1yrs take back and replace or repair. Bob call and ask for his written warranty! That was asked pubically at the spring show. His comment was as I stated in the previous note. Ask how much repair parts he has in hand or ordered for his recent shipments of engines and rolling stock?

By the way I have been a strong supporter of Aristro Craft with 26 engines,14 heavyweights about 1 1/2 mile of track switches and rolling stock. revolution including 12 relay boards etc But this kind of business plan has me quickly retinking my future purchases especially Revolution. Do I stop with my 24 installed boards and put in Airwire or the like in the rest and future inventory because of the uncertian future here? Do I invest $400-500 into an engine that if it craps out in 1 day or 2 yrs there is no ability to repair due to unavailability of parts?

I read Johnathan’s post twice and I also knew this situation, since I’ve had a good relationship with Navin for years.

From my reading, Johnathan states that Aristo-Craft products bought from Aristo-Craft don’t have warranties.

That said, I know that Navin has been more than fair doing repairs for these products, and usually only charging for parts and postage, not labor.

Now, the more concerning thing is if Crest Electronics is not warranting products sold by Crest Electronics.

Thomas, to clarify, who did you buy the receivers from? Directly from Crest-Electronics, or was it stock that was originally sold by Aristo?

the former situation should be under warranty, and the later not.

Just curious, because it DOES make a difference.

Regards, Greg

thomas prevost said:

Matt, If Crest warrrantees their product why did I have to send two checks one for $70.00 and one For $20.00 to repair BRAND NEWreceivers??? Why when I sent in 6 diesel receivers did he say he was sending back 5 diesel and 1 non sound receiver??? Service is lousy as even after sending the last payment, I still do not have the receivers?which he was to send over 3 weeks ago?? I only tried a two which did not work but on his request sent all six, Why am I getting only one repaired and a subsitute for the other?? The other 4 were in sealed unopened boxes.

My bad. I didn’t read that correctly. New products shouldn’t require a dime to replace.

Is there anyway we can get ahold of them and show this thread? Maybe we could get some answers and results.

Greg Elmassian said:

Now, the more concerning thing is if Crest Electronics is not warranting products sold by Crest Electronics.

Thomas, to clarify, who did you buy the receivers from? Directly from Crest-Electronics, or was it stock that was originally sold by Aristo?

the former situation should be under warranty, and the later not.

Just curious, because it DOES make a difference.

Regards, Greg

I don’t understand why this makes a difference.
Is Crest Navin’s company or is it still owned by the Polks?

If you buy a company, do you not inherit the obligations of said company?

If your local car dealer goes out of business after you purchased a new car, does the manufacture no longer honor the warranty?

When Fiat purchased Chrysler, were all the Chrysler warranties voided?

IF it does make a difference in the case of Crest…I’m glad I haven’t purchased a Revo yet.
I was waiting for the downloadable sounds.
IF it does make a difference, I may never purchase a Revo.
This is not the way I like people I do business with, to do business.
Ralph

It does not really matter who owns Crest-Electronics (or Generation Next), it’s a new company…

If you buy a company (which is not the case ) you do not necessarily inherit the obligations, especially if it went bankrupt…

The automotive analogy does not work, you bought a car from Chrysler, through a dealer.

If you bought your stuff from Aristo Craft, w hichno longer exists, this is not the same.

I understand your feelings, but Aristo-Craft went BANKRUPT is is NO MORE.

Sad but that is why people incorporate, there are limits to liability, etc.

Not what you want to hear, but it’s what is the law and legal.

Crest-Electronics, nor GenerationNext is NOT Aristo Craft.

And, while I’ve “had it out” with Lewis, I’m not happy he lost his company, and it is gone.

So, as I said, if you bought your Revos from Aristo, they have no warranty.

If you bought them from Crest-Electronics, then of course there is a warranty.

So it does make a difference where Thomas’ Revos came “from”.

Regards, Greg

Greg,

see private note I sent you. The bottom line is they came from Crest Electronics via a retailer. Crest no longer offers any warranty. Lewis had 1yr warranty statement removed from the website a day after I raised the question on the Aristro forum which also was deleted by J. Polk, moderator.

Ralph. Aristro went bankrupt to avoid debt obligations. BUT Lewis is the princple of a new company called Crest Electronics. Take that for what it is worth.

Then my position would be that this is wrong.

It would also seem that the warranty was in effect and public when you purchased the products.

Not good.

Regards, Greg

p.s. I do understand that Crest Electronics has existed as a separate company for some time, just after they almost went bankrupt with the LGB “thing”.

First off, as far as I know, Aristcraft closed. There was no bankruptcy filing at the time.
This may have changed, since.

If Crest was a separate company, than the “auto analogy” certainly does apply.
Aristocraft was the “dealer”.

Since Lewis is still the owner, Crest should be honoring their warranty, regardless of whether the items were purchased pre or post the Aristocraft closing.

I guess all these points are moot, since Crest is not honoring any warranties.

It’s time for me to stop waiting on the “downloadable sound” and start thinking about a “plan B” :wink:
Ralph

Terms and Conditions

OK guys I just got this from Crest's site
Mike



The following Terms and Conditions apply to the use of this Web site as well as all transactions conducted through the site.

  • Warranties
  • CREST ELECTRONICS WARRANTY

    We have a uniform warranty on factory defects of One Year. You must pay shipping to us and we will pay for the return shipping.

    If the product is defective within 10 days of delivery as evidenced by a sales receipt copy, we will pay for a call tag to have the product returned to us in the continental U.S..

    If the product is harmed due to mis-use and cannot be repaired, then there is a 50% off of current retail MSRP price plus shipping cost . 

    If it can be repaired it will be a flat $25.00 plus shipping cost.

    Navin Shievdayal
    Product Manager

### 7 DAY UN-OPENED BOX RETURN POLICY

  • Shop with confidence at PolksGeneratioNeXt.com with our 7 Day Un-Opened Box Return Policy : Following the Return guidelines below will help ensure speedy processing of your Return and Refund.

All returns must be post-marked 7 days from date of purchase. Items post-marked after this time, will be refused and/or assessed a Restocking Fee.

Include a copy of your order in the box and indicate if you wish to return or exchange your item.

(In the case of an exchange, additional charges may apply, depending on the value of the new item)

Items being returned must be unused and unopened, in their original and re-sellable condition, otherwise a Restocking Fee of 15% will be assessed.

Address your return to the address below and ship via FEDEX, UPS or any other carrier that provides a delivery confirmation:

Polk’s GeneratioNeXt Attn: Returns 4475 S Clinton Ave #110 South Plainfield, NJ 07080

Only the actual product price paid will be refunded – Original shipping charges and return shipping charges will not be refunded.

In the case of damaged or defective merchandise you must contact us within 3 days of receipt of your item in order for a full return or exchange to be processed.

Mike has posted the relevant Crest details and here is the Polk’s Gen Next clipping.

I wonder why the original poster was unable to find this as it was not a difficult thing to do? As it is we now have threads with an most inaccurate heading on this and another Forum. The potential is for damage to be done, especially to Scott and PGN which has no financial connections to Crest as it is a separate company founded by Scott Polk who is working hard, within the financial limitations, to provide large scalers with product.

I’ve accidentally become interested in this thread.

Thomas, you have all your 6 units back and they are working right?

Also, it seems that you spent $90. How much of that was indicated as shipping? Certainly warranty work did not include shipping.

Regards, Greg

Don’t forget implied warranties.

An implied warranty of merchantability is a warranty implied by law that goods are reasonably fit for the general purpose for which they are sold.

In the United States, the obligation is in Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). This warranty will apply to a merchant (that is, a person who makes an occupation of selling things) who regularly deals in the type of merchandise sold.

Under US law, goods are ‘merchantable’ if they meet the following conditions:

  1. The goods must conform to the standards of the trade as applicable to the contract for sale.
  2. They must be fit for the purposes such goods are ordinarily used, even if the buyer ordered them for use otherwise.
  3. They must be uniform as to quality and quantity, within tolerances of the contract for sale.
  4. They must be packed and labeled per the contract for sale.
  5. They must meet the specifications on the package labels, even if not so specified by the contract for sale.

If the merchandise is sold with an express “guarantee”, the terms of the implied warranty of merchantability will fill the gaps left by that guarantee. If the terms of the express guarantee are not specified, they will be considered to be the terms of the implied warranty of merchantability. The UCC allows sellers to disclaim the implied warranty of merchantability, provided the disclaimer is made conspicuously and the disclaimer explicitly uses the term “merchantability” in the disclaimer.Some states, however, have implemented the UCC such that this can not be disclaimed.

I’ve even sent back several of the old “Aristo” 27Mh transmitters for service, and received them back, repaired and in good order…at a fair price for the service. (Within the past year)

Around here just about everyone is into R/C battery operation, now using the new Crest equipment.

Any problems (Most are “self inflicted” !!) have been repaired and returned promptly, although there seldom is a problem, if instructions are followed.

Paul Norton has worked with the Crest products since they have been available, and has posted many helpful tips on conversions, on the OVGRS web page.

From what we are experiencing around here in Canada; there is no problem…HEAR THAT…no problem dealing with Crest.

I suggest that the original poster to this thread, should have done far more research, before posting such garbage, which could badly hurt a firm trying to provide a good product in a rather small market…SHAME…SHAME on you.

If you don’t believe my observations, and in any way think I’m trying to promote Crest products, you are sadly mistaken. I’m just honestly reporting my observations from my own area.

Hear, Hear!

tac MSc BSc BA [Hons] MIL

Greg Elmassian said:

I’ve accidentally become interested in this thread.

Thomas, you have all your 6 units back and they are working right?

Also, it seems that you spent $90. How much of that was indicated as shipping? Certainly warranty work did not include shipping.

Regards, Greg

(trying to get to the bottom of this with facts, not emotion)

Thomas, it would be good to look at this fairly. You MUST have been charged shipping, right?