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Conclusion of "Troopergate"

Well Ken,
I can see some cases where he is wrong, and in the case below appears to support McCain’s “I can work across party lines” claim.

"Biden went on to claim that “John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that every Republican has supported.”

As for "Katie’s Restaurant ", the Republican hero, Ronald Reagan, told many similar fables. I am also curious as where the information that the restaurant closed 20 years ago came from. It may very well have, but sometimes along the way fiction becomes fact.

Here is something Biden said today. “When the middle class is growing, everybody benefits. That is the tide that rises all boats.”
Ralph

Ken Brunt said:
And I guess you've forgotten all about his 1988 run for the presidency when he had to drop out when it came to light that he plagerized a speech he gave.
No--I mentioned it--look above

Ok, so if you can’t vote for Biden, because you think he’s a liar, how can you vote for Palin?

If I didn’t vote for Palin I’d have to vote for a some guy who, for all of his adult life, has allied himself with people and organizations that have tried at one time or another, to undermine our political and economic system and in some cases have succeeded, and since running for the office of president has tried to distance himself from those same people and organizations and lied about those affiliations and to this day will not release any of his medical or college records. In the last couple of months, he’s flip-flopped on just about every issue, and whether the Iraq war is justified or not, has refused to acknowledge that the surge worked there and despite the fact he doesn’t think the surge is working, now wants to do that very same thing in Afghanistan.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America and lied about it.

Sen. Obama’s longtime political supporter and present national finance chairwoman gutted a Chicagoland bank by recklessly extending the kind of dubious loans that have caused today’s financial crisis.

Penny Pritzker, from her position on the board of the holding company controlling Superior Bank, approved of risky loan practices that eventually cost depositors hundreds of millions of dollars. Superior had been unable to make money with traditional safe loans, so Pritzker encouraged the bank to enter the subprime market. Then she defied regulators who told her the bank’s practices were reckless. After the bank failed in 2001 and government investigators examined the corpus delicti, the wealthy Pritzker family ended up paying $460 million in penalties over a 15-year period.

As for Biden, he’s an habitual liar who’s been caught at it so many times, you’d think he learn his lesson. Biden said we “must” drill for oil, but that ain’t how he’s voted. He said he’s for clean coal, but just this month he passionately told a voter, “We’re not supporting clean coal,” and vowed “no coal plants here in America.”

Biden adamantly claimed McCain voted the same way as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did on a vote to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year. The legislative record shows McCain was not present in the Senate for either of those votes and is recorded as “not voting.”

Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where John McCain has been proven right.

Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation – he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie
More than two years ago (May 2006), 20 United States Senators sent a letter to Senate leadership pointing out “that if effective regulatory reform legislation for the housing-finance ‘government sponsored enterprises’ (GSEs) is not enacted this year (in 2006), American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial market, and the economy as a whole”.

In that letter, those 20 senators also pointed out that, “Today, almost half of all mortgages in the U.S. are owned or guaranteed by these GSEs”; and “They are mammoth financial institutions with almost $1.5 Trillion in debt outstanding between them”.

The 20 signers declared, “With the fiscal challenges facing us today (2006)… deficits, entitlements, pensions… Congress must ask itself who would actually pay this debt if Fannie and Freddie could not?”

That letter was sent by Senator John McCain. He was joined by 19 of his fellow senators.

As for Katie’s Restaurant, Ralph, I can easily check…I only live 20 miles from Wilmington. But according to “Yahoo! Travel”, there is no Katies Restarant listed under the K’s and that’s in a 20 mile radius of Wilmington.

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2817663-alp-k-b-1-wilmington_restaurants-i;_ylt=AiolKThPFRg1glmLnbeeJVFQFmoL

"Here is something Biden said today. “When the middle class is growing, everybody benefits. That is the tide that rises all boats.” " Did he happen to mention how that happens?

Well I feel your pain Ken. It looks very much like Obama is going to win. The country does not seem to care about Ayers or ACORN–I don’t either–or share your suspicion and distrust of Obama. It’s the way people like me felt about Bush or Reagan–“how can people fall for this?”

Tough it out, wait it out, the political wheel will turn back your way eventually.

mike omalley said:
Ken Brunt said:
And I guess you've forgotten all about his 1988 run for the presidency when he had to drop out when it came to light that he plagerized a speech he gave.
No--I mentioned it--look above
I apologize Mike, I missed it. He was accused of plagarism also in law school.

Well, Mike, it’s a shame you don’t care about ACORN. They are seriously undermining the election process in this country.

In addition to the extortion and swindling of taxpayers, ACORN also practices outright fraud. In 1986 a dozen ACORN members were convicted of vote fraud. In 2007, eight ACORN employees pleaded guilty to election fraud. This year ACORN has outdone itself. It is under investigation for vote fraud in a dozen states, including Connecticut, Florida, Indiana , Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Another thing I’ve learned over the years is that if your not part of the solution, then you must be part of the problem. Guys like Biden and Obama I consider as part of the problem, not the solution.

Why is it usually the urban Democratic machine that is so often guilty of saying, “Vote early and often”… sigh

The endemic systematic, outright voter fraud in New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and much of Florida was bad enough…this year it appears it will be an issue in nearly EVERY swing state.

nice…

At some point I have to ask, Why should they even bother going through the motions of actually counting votes, or even having people cast votes, if we already know the sonofabitches bought the election?

If you thought the FLORIDA recount debacle was bad…

Hey Mik,

From North of the Border it looks like you need one party states right across the Union. No problem then, still works in certain countries, especially those who are under theocratic rule. Which is the next step up from the “Far Religious Right”. :frowning: :wink: :frowning:

Mik said:
Why is it usually the urban Democratic machine that is so often guilty of saying, "Vote early and often".... *sigh*

The endemic systematic, outright voter fraud in New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and much of Florida was bad enough…this year it appears it will be an issue in nearly EVERY swing state.

nice…

At some point I have to ask, Why should they even bother going through the motions of actually counting votes, or even having people cast votes, if we already know the sonofabitches bought the election?

If you thought the FLORIDA recount debacle was bad…


Mik,

I’m sorry you missed St. Louis in the Voter Fraud Scandals. There are people around here very proud of that.

You’ll notice in the map of the Acorn Investigations, that both Missouri and Indiana are having investigations. Illinois? No need for investigations here, this is the birth place of graft and corruption in politics. Why we even have terrorists teaching college courses on how to disrupt the political process. Yes, we are very proud of our higher education system.

In Washington State, we are trying to re-elect Governor Dino Rossi. What is that you say? Washington’s gov’nor is Gov. Chris Gregoire? Well, she did manage to steal the election last time, with the hep of ACORN, who “found” some previously uncounted votes squirreled away in a closet in Martin Luther King County, the one that contains “The Peoples Republic of Seattle.”

In actuality, Rossi won the election, and the recount, and the re-recount, but finally lost when ACORN found those “lost” ballots.

It’s pretty clear this is the fairly tale story republicans are going to tell about 2008–

Polls that show Obama winning–by a huge margin–are meaningless lies propagated by the liberal media.
ACORN, an all-powerful organization with tentacles everywhere, somehow managed to steal the election with massive voter fraud.

As a progressive, I hope the Republicans keep pushing that line, because then they will keep sticking to the same unpopular approaches and tactics and themes that are failing now. The more the Republican base angrily pushes this interpretation, the better it gets for Democrats

Remember the 2000 election, when Gore won the popular vote and may have won the electoral vote, except the Supreme Court stopped the recount and declared Bush the winner? Democrats spent months complaining that Bush was illegitimate and hadn’t really won, and were told to “get over it”–by Antonin Scalia, even.

So if Obama wins you guys could get over it and move on, and organize politically to be more effective, or you could construct elaborate fantasies about how ACORN stole the election

PS Wikipedia has a long article on the Washington State election which is interesting and well documented. It makes no mention of ACORN, and says tat the lost ballots were discovered when King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips noticed that his absentee ballot had not been counted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

mike omalley said:
Remember the 2000 election, when Gore won the popular vote and may have won the electoral vote, except the Supreme Court stopped the recount and declared Bush the winner? Democrats spent months complaining that Bush was illegitimate and hadn't really won, and were told to "get over it"--by Antonin Scalia, even.
Even the New York Times, after an extensive recount of Florida votes, said that Bush won Florida. Get over it, Mike!
Steve Featherkile said:
mike omalley said:
Remember the 2000 election, when Gore won the popular vote and may have won the electoral vote, except the Supreme Court stopped the recount and declared Bush the winner? Democrats spent months complaining that Bush was illegitimate and hadn't really won, and were told to "get over it"--by Antonin Scalia, even.
Even the New York Times, after an extensive recount of Florida votes, said that Bush won Florida.
Yes Stevie, it's getting closer to Christmas, yes, there is a Santa Claus.
mike omalley said:
.... As a progressive, ....
"Progressive" = Socialist! Just one shade lighter than Chinese Red.

Jack

I am over it, although my kids won’t be over it–they will be paying off Bush’s debts for years and years to come.

But my point is, you’ve got to let it go. Things could change, but it looks extremely good for Obama right now. If he wins, pumping up fantasies about how ACORN stole the election is not going to do Republicans any good.

Jack Barton said:
mike omalley said:
.... As a progressive, ....
"Progressive" = Socialist! Just one shade lighter than Chinese Red.

Jack


Chinese red?

Hello, 21st century–what country has the fastest growing economy in the world? China

What country is engaged in global capitalism on a massive scale ? China

What country makes all the toys, all the trains, most of the electronics and the housewares? And most of the Large Scale Trains? China

What year do you think it is, 1972? You going to call me a hippie next?

Does the sandal fit?

Lol!

Only if you include law abiding, mortgage bound tax paying monogamous middle aged married fathers as hippies

Mike,

I didn’t mean to start anything ornery. I’m just an old Communist fighter (literally) and burst out at times. In 1972 I was training helicopter pilots for Vietnam after my tour in 1969-70. I came back through the SanFran airport, so hippies do have a very special place in my mind.

Jack (TOV)

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Steve Featherkile said:
mike omalley said:
Remember the 2000 election, when Gore won the popular vote and may have won the electoral vote, except the Supreme Court stopped the recount and declared Bush the winner? Democrats spent months complaining that Bush was illegitimate and hadn't really won, and were told to "get over it"--by Antonin Scalia, even.
Even the New York Times, after an extensive recount of Florida votes, said that Bush won Florida.
Yes Stevie, it's getting closer to Christmas, yes, there is a Santa Claus.
You heard it here first, folks! :D Thanks for telling us the truth, Hansie!