Large Scale Central

Canadian Pacific canteen....in Gauge 1 [1/32nd]

tac Foley said:

Whoooohoooooo!

I have FOUND a rather scrappy DIMENSIONED line-drawing of the D&H J Class Challenger on www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh-stm-s33.gif

Reading on the numerous fora, it seems that’s all there is at all.

I’ll be doing some work on it over the weekend, and post the results to Mr Dashnaw - if he PM’s me with his email address, and to Mr Hithersay, whose email I already possess.

The tender wheels, BTW, have 60" centres…

The altered canteen and the #2816 are located somewhere in Ogden Yard, Calgary AB, but nobody seems to know where, and there are no images of it. I looked on Google Earth but couldn’t find it…

Trying to make contact with the CPR is like trying to nail fog to water.

tac, ig, ken the GFT & The Tri-dimensional distance Computin’ Boys

And not a single reply to my question on the FB CP Rail group. GRRRRRR

H-J - I’d like to tak this opportunity to publicly thank three gentlemen who took time out of their lives to answer my petty little questions - that must have seem VERY strange, at the least coming from over here in Yesterdayland.

They are, in no particular order -

Our very own Fred Mills
Cor van Steenis
Doug Phillips
Dave Love
and William Slim

Gentlemen, I thank you.

tac
Mae Cymdeithas Gwerthfawrogiad o dan y ddaear felin wynt Pen-y-Ffordd
[The Underground Windmill of Pen-y-Ffordd Appreciation Society]

'Kay - for anybody interested, I have the following dimensions sorted out -

In 1/32nd scale -

Tender wheels are 36" dia. = 28.575mm

Wheel spacing is 60" - 47.625 mm

Cetre of truck to centre of truck - 287.65mm

Height to top of tank -

Ht #1 - 142.48 from railhead

or

Ht 2 - 128.4mm from railhead

In 1/29th scale -

Tender wheels are 36" dia. = 31.5mm

Wheel spacing is 60" - 52.55mm

Cente of truck to centre of truck - 317mm

Height to top of tank -

Ht #1 - 156.2mm from railhead

Ht #2 - 141.67mm from railhead

Not yet worked out which height to use, but will prolly be the higher one with the curved top.

Knowing the inter-axle/inter truck-ular distances means that I can figure out all the other measurements.

More later when I come back from the village show…

tac
Ymdiriadolaeth Genadlaethol Cymru

Brilliant stuff Tac!

How would you like to go about building these monsters?

Stuart

Syntax, please, Mr H. My English isn’t up to convoluted semi-questions, and in any case, I’m only building one, not multiples. I had thought that I might somehow pursuade AccuCraft to make a few for those who might want one, after the style of Aster and the Challenger canteens. Thye would probably, given the nature of the remarkably small market, cost ITRO $1500 each… There are, of course, skiiled craftsmen over in Canada - Alan Wright comes to mind for a start - who could whittle one of these things out of a shoebox and couple of pieces of bent wire and string, and STILL make it look good, but I sure as heck am not an Alan Wright.

What I intend to do is to make a drawing for each scale - the correct, 1/32nd scale and the common US ratio fo 1/29th, and let the builder make up his or her own mind which to use.

If Mr Dashnaw can make trucks with the correct wheelbase for each scale - I’d bet that correct diameter wheels would not be hard to find here in yUK or over in the USA for either scale, it then depends on the availability of the finer detail - glad-hands, couplings and so on, as well as the tank top fillers and air tanks on either side. The rest of it is down to the individual modeller’s skill and engenuity.

Mind you, I’m not sure why anybody would want to make one of these things in any scale ratio other than 1/32nd - there are no CPR Hudsons made in any of the large scales except 1/32nd, and this particular item of rolling stock is unique to the CPR.

For Mr Dashnaw - I’ll be photo-shopping one of the better high-quality images I have to show the corrected elevation view of the truck - with dimensions in both scales. After that it’s up to you.

tac

PS - the reason why you can’t see the loco on Google earth imagery of its home - Ogden Yard ,Calgary AB - is that it is stored inside the loco shed.

tac Foley said:

Mind you, I’m not sure why anybody would want to make one of these things in any scale ratio other than 1/32nd - there are no CPR Hudsons made in any of the large scales except 1/32nd, and this particular item of rolling stock is unique to the CPR.

Tac, the answer is simple. Its a cool and not often seen piece of railroad equipment. And while it may not be the correct model for another railroad, some other railroads did have similar pieces of equipment. So if a modeler were to take the plans for this one, and letter it for another railroad, not many folk would be able to point out the model is incorrect for that railroad.

tac Foley said:

H-J - I’d like to tak this opportunity to publicly thank three gentlemen who took time out of their lives to answer my petty little questions - that must have seem VERY strange, at the least coming from over here in Yesterdayland.

They are, in no particular order -

Our very own Fred Mills
Cor van Steenis
Doug Phillips
Dave Love
and William Slim

Gentlemen, I thank you.

tac
Mae Cymdeithas Gwerthfawrogiad o dan y ddaear felin wynt Pen-y-Ffordd
[The Underground Windmill of Pen-y-Ffordd Appreciation Society]

Good show, I would have thought that one of the CPers from Cowtown errrr Calgary would know the exact whereabouts of this beast, but alas, no answers.

On the no-reply from CP Rail, they’re too busy running a railway; no time for foamers and modelers.

Hers is my Canteen I built from 2 long tenders.

David Maynard said:

tac Foley said:

Mind you, I’m not sure why anybody would want to make one of these things in any scale ratio other than 1/32nd - there are no CPR Hudsons made in any of the large scales except 1/32nd, and this particular item of rolling stock is unique to the CPR.

Tac, the answer is simple. Its a cool and not often seen piece of railroad equipment. And while it may not be the correct model for another railroad, some other railroads did have similar pieces of equipment. So if a modeler were to take the plans for this one, and letter it for another railroad, not many folk would be able to point out the model is incorrect for that railroad.

Understood, Sir. Like the gentleman just above has done with his model. I futzed around with a Bachmann tank car to make a canteen for my SAR Garratt, but that was simply a repaint and addition of load of Afrikaans/Engelse signage and data. This, being totally scratch-built, is a mite diferent.

tac

daniel peck said:

Hers is my Canteen I built from 2 long tenders.

Very nice it is, too. However, here in yUK we have the not-so-little problem of actually FINDING any kind of a spare tender, let alone splicing two of them, hence the scratch-build method.

BTW, be advised that the view in your photo is somewhat bigger than the village in which I live.

Like our dear old Korm down in sunny Paraguay, hereabouts we have to do with what we can do.

tac

Right. I’ve bought a Rivarossi D&H Mallet of e*** to get a better grasp of the tender shape, as well as proper models of the trucks. Easy to convert to 1/29th, too.

When it arrives I’ll be sending one truck to Mr Dashnaw, if he PM’s me hislocation details, so that he can futz around with it to his heart’s content with the 3D thing.

Whinemeal, I be’s getting on with measurements that I CAN do, but boys, this thing is HYOODZH.

tac
OVGRS.org

Hyoods? Is that a Welsh word. :wink:

Nossir. It’s the ‘frenetic’ spelling of ‘huge’. :wink:

tac

Say what? I don’t gets it

‘Frenetic’ versus '‘phonetic’ - a Malapropism - look up Malaprop, named after Mrs Malaprop, a comic character in Sheridan’s stage farce ‘School for Scandal’. A bit like a Mondegrass [look up Mondegrass].

From Websters -

huge

adjective \ˈhyüj, ˈyüj\

‘Hyoodzh’ - Break it down in to ‘Hyoo’ - HEE-YOO, and DZH,

Am I wasting my time here?

tac

tac Foley said:

Am I wasting my time here?

tac

Probably…:wink:

I getz it! I thought it was Welsh, though. I guess it was just a pigment of my imaginative. :wink:

Welsh for ‘huge’ is ‘anferth/enfawr’

Now you’ll be able to amaze all in Deer Park with your knowledge of P-Celtic. :slight_smile:

Best

tac
‘Pam welych olau goch, sebych yma’

Proly get me run out a town on a rail, after being tarred and feathered. They might think I was cussin’ …again. :slight_smile:

Try this one if you want a curse…’

‘Bydded y baw o fil o ystlumod bla gwallt’ch!’

[May the excrement of a thousand bats infest your hair].

tac