He is not a Rail, he is just a suit.
David Maynard said:
Hans, I guess he doesn’t know the PR value of steam locomotives.
In my book he’s a hard-ass mucky-muck who has nothing but $$$$$ on his brains (or for brains) and no concept of tradition and intrinsic value. The sooner he goes back to breeding horses, the better for CP Rail.
At least in my opinion.
As a D&H fan looking for heritage units from CP, I’ll second the notion that he has no concept of free advertising and publicity
And I second Han’s opinion of this jackwagon $$$Hole
Mr Harrison needs to cross the Atlantic to UK to see the value of ANY heritage steam locomotive to a rail company. Here most EVERY steam-hauled excursion - only about 200 a year though, in these days of cutbacks - is sold out, no matter how much they cost. Add a famous loco to the front and it’s a license to print money - trust me - me and ten fellow steam fans paid almost $400 EACH to ride a heritage train last year behind a named locomotive - pretty average, that.
And having built a brand-new-from-scratch Pacific for only abound $4M, the P2 Heritage Trust is now building an LNER mikado - see the progress on Youtube.
Look over on the continent to Germany where steam-hauled travel is HUGELY popular, as well as in Poland, where you could, until recently, actually DRIVE steam-hauled commuter train on a scheduled trip - as a visitor! About steam in Switzerland, I’ll let YOU answer for that, not forgetting neighbouring Austria, of course…
I’d note, though, that Mr Lamebrain Harrison is entitled to his opinion, however much of a fool he sounds whilst expressing it.
Now, back to the project - thanks, H-J, for the offer of assistance - much appreciated.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
Stuart - it would be good if you could use my email - tadecfoley[at]aol.com
I’m happy to share the problem/project with you, but right now I haven’t heard back from Mr Dashnaw about the trucks - THE most difficultt part of the project. The bits and pieces we can fudge pretty easily from trackside details et al, and I can use my unimat to lathe stuff as well. Luckily the tank is welded , not riveted [phew], and has little detail on the top apart from fillers/breathers.
It would be nice to make a perfect replication, but in spite of all the help from friends here and off-site with images, that just ain’t going to happen. Bear in mind that if we do go ahead with this, they will likely be the only two such models in existence, so detractors, if any, can go nail fog to a cloud for all I care.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
If we can find either pictures or drawings of the trucks from strsight on angle thats traceable in autocad then i’d like to do this project as well because it is a D&H project…
Some basic measurements of the journal boxes would also help…
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I assumed that being a D&H fan that you would have all the necessary details.
H-J notes that drawings are noticeable by their absence…very odd, as they seem to be pretty ordinary trucks to me. Surely there are drawings in the D&H histerical society/association. or summat?
Of course, if we could find out where the actual vehicle is located we could arrange to take some measurements…all I need is length, breadth, height and the rest is easy.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
I don’t normally model steam era - I’m a 70’s -90 kinda D&H fan, lol ya know like the decades I was actually alive in 
Hmph.
I was alive, and still am, in the late '40’s to date.
Diesels are OK, I guess, but I can’t see 'em really catching on.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
tac Foley said:
Hmph.
I was alive, and still am, in the late '40’s to date.
Diesels are OK, I guess, but I can’t see 'em really catching on.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
Just a passing fad tac, just a passing fad. Saner heads will prevail. After all, steam is proven technology.
Steve Featherkile said:
tac Foley said:
Hmph.
I was alive, and still am, in the late '40’s to date.
Diesels are OK, I guess, but I can’t see 'em really catching on.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRSJust a passing fad tac, just a passing fad. Saner heads will prevail. After all, steam is proven technology.
Steve that’s how we feel here on the P&CS. Smokey doesn’t like them newfangled, cantankerous diesel-lectric things.
There are some pictures here that might help.
http://rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=257881
And this
I also found 2 drawings of a Commonwealth truck, but it looks to me to be a shorter version of the truck then what is under that canteen.
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http://www.cumberlandmodelengineering.com/images/Com6(1.1).jpg
So far that plan and this picture are the best to go by I’m thinking
I can stretch and match the frame up to the D&H truck afterwards
Gentlemen - many thanks to you all for the great help I’ve found here. Mr Dashnaw, I’ve figured that there would have to be an element of stretching/extending that truck by about 10% - right now I don’t have my photogrammetry hat on. The top image in your post is pretty near. Seeing as how the two [if Mr Hithersay joins in] will be the only ones here in yUK, I’m not altogether frantically worried about getting them zackly right, after all, 2860 didn’t haul one.
I’ll be working on the correct dimensions over the weekend, based on the known dimensions of the truck under the tender of 2816.
tac, ig, ken the GFT & The Pan-dimensional Flarp Modulator Boys
Sounds good to me, need to make a set in 1/29th for me too
Hmm, after ‘talking’ to three very kindhearted folks in Canada, I’m reminded that Klambake produced a book of line drawings of articulated locomotives a while back.
Anybody got one?
tac
OVGS.org
Whoooohoooooo!
I have FOUND a rather scrappy DIMENSIONED line-drawing of the D&H J Class Challenger on www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh-stm-s33.gif
Reading on the numerous fora, it seems that’s all there is at all.
I’ll be doing some work on it over the weekend, and post the results to Mr Dashnaw - if he PM’s me with his email address, and to Mr Hithersay, whose email I already possess.
The tender wheels, BTW, have 60" centres…
The altered canteen and the #2816 are located somewhere in Ogden Yard, Calgary AB, but nobody seems to know where, and there are no images of it. I looked on Google Earth but couldn’t find it…
Trying to make contact with the CPR is like trying to nail fog to water.
tac, ig, ken the GFT & The Tri-dimensional distance Computin’ Boys
You can’t nail fog to water, any sailor knows that. The only way to secure fog to water is with tiedown chains and padeyes, just ask the nearest Bo’s’n. 
Addendum - Rivarossi made a D&H Challenger in the mid-70s - in HO. I’ve ordered it off e***.
I also have a Tenshodo limited-addition Royal Hudson in HO, and can use the tender from that as a comparison piece - easy-peasy to convert derived computations from a 1/87th model to a 1/29th model for those that are interested in that particular ratio.
tac
OVGRS.org