Large Scale Central

Canadian Pacific canteen....in Gauge 1 [1/32nd]

Modeling
#1

Morning, folks, just decided on my new project, after having had another look at the 2816 revival DVD from away back. On the inaugural run, 2816 is hauling a large auxiliary tender, often called a canteen, behind the tender, to cut down on water stops now that there are very few such locations on the CPR since diesels took over.

I can get hold of the six-wheel trucks from AccuCraft, but I’m in dire need of any images and drawings of the car itself - happy to pay for ‘em’, too. Stan will be doing the decals, as ever, and Phoenix Precision Paint will sort out the colouring-in bit.

Any and all assistance will be gratefully acknowledged in the build project write-up, which will, if all goes well, be in the G1MRA newsletter and journal, might be in GR from Klambake, and over here in yUK in the UK GR magazine sometime.

Thanks in advance.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#2

Hi tac,

Lots of pictures at https://www.google.ca/search?q=auxiliary+tender+on+CP+2816&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3PTxU_vLJY3_oQT6hoDIBA&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=944

with plenty of info if you go to the respective page where the picture stems from.

It used to be a D&H MoW tender.

#3

Wow! THANKS, H-J - that’s is really useful! Yes, I’ve found out that it was a redundant tender, having figured that with trucks like those, it wasn’t Canadian in origin.

I’ll have a good look at that site and start making up my reference folder.

Thanks again.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#4

Ain’t this place grand?

#5

Yuppers Hans has it right, that there be a D&H tender

(http://emdx.org/rail/CP2816/Thumbs/tQC-CP-2716_20040529-165226_GareWindsor-2tenders.jpg)

#6

Anyone make is in H0 - NOT in brass, else it will cost more than the thing I’m hoping to build.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#7

Steve Featherkile said:

Ain’t this place grand?

Sure is, Steve. :slight_smile:

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#8

There are tons of pictures of that tender (DH 35508) because it was used with the D&H Challengers

Tender

(http://www.fuzzyworld3.com/railroad/steam02/p-68740421.jpg)

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rspicture.aspx?id=257881

#9

Lots of pictures, but no drawings that I could find.

#10

Now I’m curious what is on top. It would be nice to find a top view, the most elusive of all railroad photos.

#11

just look at challenger models

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=d%26h+challenger+dimensions&qs=AS&sk=AS2&FORM=QBIR&pq=d%26h%20cha&sc=8-7&sp=3&qs=AS&sk=AS2

#12

Mark, all I get when I use that link is a gazillion fancy letters… :frowning:

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#13

tac, try this. Right click, open in new window.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=d%26h+challenger+dimensions&qs=AS&sk=AS2&FORM=QBIR&pq=d%26h%20cha&sc=8-7&sp=3&qs=AS&sk=AS2

#14

Hi Tac

Would be very interested in building one of these as well! Would make an already impressive engine even more so!

Stuart

#15

Did I miss something? I didn’t see any photos of the canteen.

#16

Thanks, H-J - it’s obvious that the canteen has been substantially altered from the basic tender, converting it into a mobile water tank rather than a coal bunker. Seems like I’m going to have to get my photogrammetry hat on for this one. The DVD has quite a lot of helicopter overheads views, mostly fuzzy, but I’m still going to make a stab at it. I might be asking Mr Dashnaw about 3-D printing the trucks, as well - AccuCraft can’t help me out this time.

Thankishly, it’s more or less a fancy box on trucks, with a few ladders sprinkled here and there, round cornered and about a foot wider than the Hudson tender.

Since the Royal Hudson didn’t/doesn’t make use of such an item, I guess that some artistic license would not go amiss. If I knew where the original was stored, I could maybe pay it a visit next time we are over in Vancouver and do my own measurements on the real thing…

If things were easy they wouldn’t be worth doing, now would they? My dear old pal Fred has written a note to a certain gentleman asking for his assistance - we’ll see if anything comes of that kind effort on my behalf.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#17

I’m pretty sure that particular canteen was made from a regular Challenger tender there are some that look more like purpose built ones like this one

(http://www.divisionpoint.com/photos/N+W_JH/N+W_Aux.jpg)

#18

Stuart Hithersay said:
Hi Tac Would be very interested in building one of these as well! Would make an already impressive engine even more so! Stuart

Two ways to do this, then. Pool our information and build them together, or each go our own way.
Prolly find that if Mr Dashnaw DOES offer to make the trucks then it might work out marginally cheaper than going it alone.

Which do you prefer?

BTW, great pic, there, Mr Dashnaw - theD&H version seems to be welded up, though, thus saving my sanity with regard to setting umpteen gazillion rivets…

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS

#19

tac,

most likely at Calgary, I’ll find out if some of the locals in the CP Rail FB Group know.

PS There most likely will be no steam excursions as long as Hunter Harrison is at the helm of CP Rail. And what happens with CP 2816 is anyone’s guess.

The Hunter has been quoted as follows at a 2013 meeting

He then said “I hate steam engines”. The audience chuckled when he said that. “They are expensive to run; the liability is too high and they serve no useful purpose”

I’m glad I got off my butt to shoot the videos when I did.

#20

Hans, I guess he doesn’t know the PR value of steam locomotives.