Large Scale Central

Behavior on forums, and how it affects others

That new comers should, before asking there questions, research the forum archived posts exhaustively before asking their questions? And post only when no answer can be found? Are repetitive elementary questions from rookies that have been addressed before many times, unwanted?

no.

no, they should’nt.

fora are for interaction.

questions and answers are interaction.

just for “read the effing manual”, we don’t need forums.

a person can spend frustrating days on searching the net or a forum without positive results, just by not knowing the right keywords.

the problem is, that (advanced) knowledge is not always in the heads of friendly and patient people.

Devon, getting a “general consensus” has always been difficult.

I go by established Internet forum behavior, there are tons of sites that give “forum etiquette”… although whenever I suggest about what the rest of the world does on forums, someone here always says “I don’t care about how everyone else does it”.

Try googling “forum etiquette search before posting”: http://forum-services-review.toptenreviews.com/25-forum-posting-etiquette-tips.html

gee… look at the top 2 rules… this is pretty standard advice in most forums. It’s NOT “don’t ask”, but search FIRST, then ask.

Just as (now John I am not picking on you, but you DID state your preference) John says he does not “have the time nor energy to dig through the archives or search”, you will find this situation… but I believe that John may not be getting the best or more complete answer because 50% of the people reading already posted a number of times… who knows. I know I tire of someone asking the same questions where there are 3 or more detailed discussions ALREADY here on the forum.

I can sit with a newbie and in 5 minutes show how to search the forum effectively with Google. Everyone is entitled to his personal choice, but it’s easy in my opinion, and courteous to the people who do have the experience and give us answers.

It’s pretty darn hard to dispute the facts. What you do with them is your business. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)

Greg

I have no problem with someone redirecting me do a thread that has answered my question. That is great. But as korm mentions unless this you enter the exact words you don’t get what you need. Or it only partially covers what is needed. But that is valuable to be directed

What I don’t understand Greg is why is my asking the same old questions any brother to you or anyone else. You choose to read them or not. You choose to respond or not. I am glad that you do respond. You have given me great advice. It is much appreciated. If there is a topic that has been well addressed then by all means if you want to direct me to it.

On the topic of forums and ediquitte and what others do, most other forums suck because of it. They are impersonal and not much of a place to hang out. And guess what they are all but dead. I suspect that the reason this site is thriving is not because of its archived threads as much as the interaction.

And I am getting the consensus I asked for no problem.

They are not a bother Devon… I did not state that… please take my words literally… (as an aside, you read things into my posts I do not state).

Yes, I choose to respond or not, no problem. I’m not complaining about it… I am actually thinking about the people trying to get information.

And like I said, no matter how many examples I can give of the “normal” forum etiquette, someone will always say this forum is different. Thanks for proving my point so quickly!

And I submit consensus needs to involve many more people that the few like us that are vociferous… I never think the few of us (and myself for that matter) that are so active constitute the majority of thought… no matter how it appears, there’s tons more people with opinions on this forum we never hear from. I’m considering them too.

Regards, Greg

Greg,

I don’t believe I am alone in “reading into” what you write. It seems to happen often and more so to certain people. As I have said I respect the heck out of you and your knowledge and willingness to help me. I have thanked you publicly and privately for doing so. I will continue to do so. I have not meant to make this a personal attack on you and for that I apologize. You are a huge asset to this community and as a new comer have respect for your opinion and experience.

I also don’t believe I am alone or even in the minority when I say that this forum is different. I think the fact that it is thriving, when no other large scale forum is, is testimony to that. There is just as much or more archived information over yonder at that other forum, just as many knowledgeable people (or once was) over there. Why isn’t that site as active as this one? well I don’t know the history or drama involved and really don’t care to know; but from a new comers perspective there was little to nothing over there for me. I wanted and needed answers and yes I wanted and needed interaction and did not want to have to do endless hours of hashing old threads to try to mine out the information. I want to interact with people not an archive. I found that and continue to find that here. That makes it different. I don’t know if that was the intention of Bob when he created it but it has become that by its membership.

This site whether intended or not is a great community. And just like any community there are a vast array of personality types. I see both sides of this. I can see where having the same old questions come up all the time can be mundane. I get that. But at the same time I also get the need for interaction and people to be interested and involved in what your doing instead of just searching the archives.

Again Greg none of this is meant as a personal attack on you or anyone else. I am merely interjecting my perspective as a rookie.

Just a comment about the site’s “definition”/“direction”/charter.

There’s some hints from Bob on the site about what he wants.

First, it should all be train related. Devon, I don’t think you were a member when the “off topic forum” experiment happened, but it failed miserably. What went on there was not train related, and it was not what Bob wanted.

So, we know he does not want this site to be like Facebook, or just a meeting place unrelated to trains.

That much is clear to me. Other train forums quite often become either a mutual admiration society or a chat room or both. We also know what happens on manufacturer’s forums.

That’s not how I “get” LSC… and personally what I want from a train forum is what I believe Bob has defined.

Regards, Greg

Greg Elmassian said:

Just a comment about the site’s “definition”/“direction”/charter.

There’s some hints from Bob on the site about what he wants.

First, it should all be train related. Devon, I don’t think you were a member when the “off topic forum” experiment happened, but it failed miserably. What went on there was not train related, and it was not what Bob wanted.

So, we know he does not want this site to be like Facebook, or just a meeting place unrelated to trains.

That much is clear to me. Other train forums quite often become either a mutual admiration society or a chat room or both. We also know what happens on manufacturer’s forums.

That’s not how I “get” LSC… and personally what I want from a train forum is what I believe Bob has defined.

Regards, Greg

I agree fully with this and it is an important clarification and distinction. I for one have to remind myself of that when I post. I do have a tendency to get off topic.

If I feel I’m helping a fellow modeler I’ll usually stick with it until an understanding is achieved, but there are some folks that seem to ‘take’ in odd ways that irritate…

I remember some (over the years) that would bait and then attack. Big boys ruffle big feathers!

Mostly it’s basics and coping with Chinese manufacture…

I was a lurker for many years because I was unwilling to expose my naivete of G with 55 years of HO/On3 … Nowadays, apparently, I don’t care as much…

Happy Rails

John

Hi Bob and others:

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Gentlemen, I hope I can use that phrase without fear of retribution…

It seems to me that not long ago this very same sort of activity drove another forum member to not only leave, but to search out and delete every post he ever made. Some current site statistics and controls are here due to that. Is our memory that short? Or are we that foolish to think that this short a period of time will make all that bad taste go away.

I am not going to ‘double post’ by reiterating what others have already made clear more than to say that Robbie Hanson hit the nail squarely on the head with his assessment of the thread. As it started to break down I quit reading for the best way for me to not make a fool of myself is to ‘walk away’. There are a couple folks on this forum whose knowledge and advise is well respected and I pay attention when the post. However they can have a personality like 40 grit sand paper. When reading their posts I just try to read it ‘monotone’ to remove as much as I can of what I don’t want to hear. And if it gets real bad, I forgo reading the remainder. I will get the information another way.

I think Devon is quite astute in his observation that ‘self policing’ begins with SELF. If we would all take a chill pill before we retort on another’s post it would eliminate much of this horse pucky. And if the ones who like to bait would be ignored all together … what a serene place this would be.

David, who are you calling ‘adults’? I have to go old, I DO NOT have to grow up. :slight_smile:

My tuppence worth, let the flames begin.

Bob C.

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Yes Bob, I agree. Folks post questions for assistance, not to be told that they are enjoying the hobby in the wrong manner.

As an example, I would like to buy an MG TC which is mechanically a piece of junk but is to myself an extremely attractive automobile. Waited too late to acquire one as the rarity has pushed pricing very very high. At the cars shows, no one walks up to an owner of this classic or any other classic and tell the proud owner that their car is a piece of junk. That piece of junk brings enjoyment to the owner and that is all that is important.

Same deal for our trains. We all have different tastes as to what era and if steam or diesel. There is no correct choice as to what we purchase. The only important fact is that the purchase brings enjoyment to the purchaser.

To quote Archie Bunker, one needs to " stiffle " oneself occassionally as to not offend the feelings of others.

Norman

Readers with questions:

1 - Responses can certainly include references to previous (threads) contributions - however, different contributors may want to respond with either reinforcement of successful applications or non-reinforcement because of the effects from the elements on an outdoor hobby. We want to encourage user reports.

2 - Since any previous posting, new products and techniques can be part of any reader’s experience - we want to encourage those responses in addition to any references to previous threads.

Conclusion:

On our site: Encourage both previous discussion (threads) and encourage recent experience – by both reinforcing the past and/or the effects from modification with new products and techniques.

Example:

I was verbally roasted by a few club members for “painting” my track ties and rail sides. Because of my public contribution, comments came forward from others who have increased the life span (mine is 15 years) painting their RR ties – especially the early Aristo products. Silence ensued. Now, the doubters asked the unasked: What kind of paint was used? Initially, the KRYLON “Rusty Brown” - lasting 1.5 years. Now, technology has given us spray cans of paint for plastics. Once the question was asked, the discussion was then enlarged by those previously silent and agreement was reached. The past met the present.

I do get a bit tired of answering the same questions over and over again at the other site, but I DO NOT let that come across in my answer. I am there, and here, to learn and enjoy, and help others learn and enjoy. I think the site should be searched before asking questions. It can actually save time to read previously posted answers instead of waiting for a response.

Before I start a thread to ask a question, I do a search of this site, and a Bing search of the Internet, to see if I can come up with the answer for myself. But, in a running thread, I will ask questions, regarding the topic, without the research. I figure its a running conversation, and my question may not only enlighten me, it may enlighten others…or not.

As for direction to another thread, if that will actually be helpful, I appreciate when folks do that for me, and I have done that for others. But all too often, I have been directed to another thread, that I did read in my search, and it didn’t fully answer my question.

This is community of large scalers, and questions of large scale, or prototype, topics are what we should be discussing and helping each other with. I do not need to read someone putting down someone else for _____. We all have our own viewpoints, and they should be respected. One of the things that really torqued me off when I was younger, and it still does, is when someone tells me “You don’t want to do that” without explaining the whys. If there is a valid reason that I shouldn’t do something, I want to hear it. But just telling me what I don’t want to do something, as a blanket and complete explanation, makes the voice in the back of my head scream “You are not me, and you have no idea what I do and what I don’t want!” So in dissuading someone from doing something, a reasoned explanation as to why they shouldn’t would be helpful. A reasoned explanation, and not a personal attack. And no. I am not pointing any fingers to those here in this thread. I am speaking from past (LSOL) experience.

BTW, my comments about being adults, I meant that we should be able to put up reasoned responses, without resorting to personal attacks and name calling, like children sometimes do when they feel they are loosing an argument. As for growing up, I refuse to grow up. Grown ups are grumpy people, who are always worried about something. Something that usually never happens, and if it does, its not a bad as they thought it was going to be. I am not a grown up, I just play one in real life.

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

I’ll probably disappear here again in a while.

TOC

Can you give us a projected date so we can all prepare for the devastation of your disappearance? We will all be lost with out the knowledge you and a few others share here on LSC recently!

Please don’t misunderstand my post like a few have been in the past !

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

What they don’t show on this iteration of the forum is join date. makes a difference. If you have 1500 posts in a month…or 3181 in 10 years.

I joined this group the week it started, when LySOL took it’s leave of us all the first time.

I’ve been around the block once or twice.

I don’t spend much time on these forums anymore. Too much drama. Like this thread.

I come when called or alerted.

I’ll probably disappear here again in a while.

TOC

Probably should have added the entire post so I don’t get accused of editing !

Your amount of posts or longevity on any given forum, does not entitle anyone to anything. If someone asks a question that you have answered in the past, and do not feel like answering again, don’t answer it, ignore it. Putting someone down gets us all nowhere fast, as we all can read in this and many other posts that have gone quickly awry. We are supposed to be here to discuss and help one another. Quitchabitchin!

Ditto to what my good friend Nico stated.

Isn’t this a hobby we’re in ?

The last time I checked, there weren’t any incoming pension or paychecks, but a helluva lot of fun (and some hard work) from our chosen pastime.

Pat (Just trying to get my post numbers up)

Ditto to what my good friend Nico stated.

Isn’t this a hobby we’re in ?

The last time I checked, there weren’t any incoming pension or paychecks, but a helluva lot of fun (and some hard work) from our chosen pastime.

Pat (Just trying to get my post numbers up)

Ditto to what my good friend Nico stated.

Isn’t this a hobby we’re in ?

The last time I checked, there weren’t any incoming pension or paychecks, but a helluva lot of fun (and some hard work) from our chosen pastime.

Pat (Just trying to get my post numbers up)

Boy Pat, you can say that again! Yes triple posting the same info will get your post count up ha ha!

(notice, that was a joke!!!)

Greg

ROFLMAO !!!

Just came in from splitting firewood for next winter. Yeah, I know Greg, the weather where you live is so nice everyday, it can get boring. Lol.

That’s the beauty of this forum, we can debate an issue to death, but it still comes down to an exchange of information.

Please excuse the triple post, I just graduated to a hand me down laptop, still getting used to not having the mouse.

Back to the woodpile.

Pat